How good do we think we are?

With all this are we a contender talk, where do folks rank us right now?


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I don't think we're in a position to buy. We don't really have any holes in our lineup, there just is no chemistry outside of Kyrou-Schenn. Unless we're trying to trade laterally (like Dunn for a Defensive RHD) I don't see anything we can really buy for or with. I can honestly see us more as a seller with players on their last year of their contracts if DA doesn't see us going far.
 

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Bruins fan coming in peace. Curious to get your feedback on Krug. Admittedly, I was not a fan - great on the PP (although his slap shot was overrated), but I found him weak defensively with painfully slow straight-ahead speed - pretty quick side-to-side.

Are you happy with the signing?

I will be disappointed if he's protected in the expansion draft. (And i'm 98% sure he will be). Very mediocre defensively. Clearly hasn't found his stride offensively. Moves the puck well enough, but not worth the contract at this point. I'd much rather see the Blues protect Parayko, Faulk and Mikkola and try to free up some salary to do something else with Krug's money.
 
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I don't think we're in a position to buy. We don't really have any holes in our lineup, there just is no chemistry outside of Kyrou-Schenn. Unless we're trying to trade laterally (like Dunn for a Defensive RHD) I don't see anything we can really buy for or with. I can honestly see us more as a seller with players on their last year of their contracts if DA doesn't see us going far.
I don't see us being sellers. I know we did it in '18 when we were lumbering along, but ... well, I thought about this a little and then went down a rabbit hole.

The Paul Stastny to Winnipeg trade tree
Stastny and a conditional 4th (not exercised) to WPG for a 1st in '18 and Erik Foley
WPG 1st in '18 + our 3rd in '18 to TOR for their 1st in '18 (Dominik Bokk)
Bokk + Edmundson + 7th in '21 to CAR for Justin Faulk + 5th in '20
CAR 5th in '20 to MIN for their 6th in '20 (Will Cranley) and 7th in '20 (Noah Beck)

Net: Stastny + Edmundson + 3rd in '18 <---> Justin Faulk + Will Cranley + Noak Beck + Erik Foley (who's 99% likely to be done)
 

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I don't see us being sellers. I know we did it in '18 when we were lumbering along, but ... well, I thought about this a little and then went down a rabbit hole.

The Paul Stastny to Winnipeg trade tree
Stastny and a conditional 4th (not exercised) to WPG for a 1st in '18 and Erik Foley
WPG 1st in '18 + our 3rd in '18 to TOR for their 1st in '18 (Dominik Bokk)
Bokk + Edmundson + 7th in '21 to CAR for Justin Faulk + 5th in '20
CAR 5th in '20 to MIN for their 6th in '20 (Will Cranley) and 7th in '20 (Noah Beck)

Net: Stastny + Edmundson + 3rd in '18 <---> Justin Faulk + Will Cranley + Noak Beck + Erik Foley (who's 99% likely to be done)
I know it's easy to look at this stuff and think "Damn we didn't do very well" but you have to think about those trades when they were made. We got a first and Erik Foley for Stastny, a guy who underperformed here and we weren't going to resign. At the time, we recouped a 1st after giving up what seemed like a 4 or 5 1sts in a row. Then we got Foley, a power forward who WOULD'VE played on the team, but a freak accident happened and took him out indefinitely. It sucks and that situation may still have happened after reading up how he feels about it, but it is what it is. Then we move up in the draft to take Bokk, a guy who looked really good at his age and could've been another Pastrnak type guy, but ended up falling off so we had to recoup another asset. There seemed to be some sort of a rift between Edmunson and Army, so we trade for Faulk which looking back now seems like a preemptive move for if Petro left. The trade worked out in our favor despite giving up a guy in Eddy that I enjoyed (when he was on). The last trade where we give up a 5th for a 6th and a 7th is a wash. You have no idea how those guys are going to turn out, but if there is no one on the board that you have to have, or if you think that they could be chosen much later, then why not get a free asset for making the same decision you would? Now we have 2 lottery tickets to hit on vs 1.

I know you like to look back and kinda blame Army for these trades, but you can't because the thought process was completely different than it is now. I'm sure if Army knew Petro could leave because of Faulk, he would've kept Eddy and given him a raise or whatever.
 
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Bruins fan coming in peace. Curious to get your feedback on Krug. Admittedly, I was not a fan - great on the PP (although his slap shot was overrated), but I found him weak defensively with painfully slow straight-ahead speed - pretty quick side-to-side.

Are you happy with the signing?

Just saw this post. Personally I am pretty pleased with the signing so far. I am not sure I personally would have targeted Krug in free agency, but I think he's been fine so far. He's a bit better defensively but slightly worse offensively than I expected, but of course it's still early. Our whole power play has stunk, and he hasn't provided that spark to the PP yet. But I haven't noticed him get burned much on D, and I like that he plays fairly physical for a guy his size. He's looked much better playing with Faulk, as Parayko isn't his usual dominant self for some reason.
 

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Just saw this post. Personally I am pretty pleased with the signing so far. I am not sure I personally would have targeted Krug in free agency, but I think he's been fine so far. He's a bit better defensively but slightly worse offensively than I expected, but of course it's still early. Our whole power play has stunk, and he hasn't provided that spark to the PP yet. But I haven't noticed him get burned much on D, and I like that he plays fairly physical for a guy his size. He's looked much better playing with Faulk, as Parayko isn't his usual dominant self for some reason.
I think early on I was a bit disappointed, but I think he started to buy into Berube's system and now I'm seeing really nice small plays where he breaks up a rush with a stick check or he will box out a guy nicely. He's not going to get guys on the boards like Mikkola, but I think with enough time, he could actually become a solid 2-way defenseman (with the work put in). I'm just hoping for those pp points to start raking in
 
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I think early on I was a bit disappointed, but I think he started to buy into Berube's system and now I'm seeing really nice small plays where he breaks up a rush with a stick check or he will box out a guy nicely. He's not going to get guys on the boards like Mikkola, but I think with enough time, he could actually become a solid 2-way defenseman (with the work put in). I'm just hoping for those pp points to start raking in

Yeah, he was pretty ordinary the first few games but it takes time to get used to new teammates and a different system. Plus the fact that they didn't have any preseason games and a short training camp. He seems to be a smart player and works hard. I know +/- is a flawed stat, but he's tied for 4th in the league with a +11 after 13 games. (Faulk and Schwartz also in the top 10)
 
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Yeah, he was pretty ordinary the first few games but it takes time to get used to new teammates and a different system. Plus the fact that they didn't have any preseason games and a short training camp. He seems to be a smart player and works hard. I know +/- is a flawed stat, but he's tied for 4th in the league with a +11 after 13 games. (Faulk and Schwartz also in the top 10)
Just goes to show how well those guys have been playing, as well as how awful the special teams have been. Feels like we have been losing every other game we play but we're 7-4-2. Hopefully once we fix those issues, we'll start piling on more wins
 
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I know you like to look back and kinda blame Army for these trades, but you can't because the thought process was completely different than it is now. I'm sure if Army knew Petro could leave because of Faulk, he would've kept Eddy and given him a raise or whatever.
My commentary here wasn't a shot at Army. (Don't worry, I'm positive he'll earn more yet.) I've also posted my thoughts on Petro vs. Faulk. (Didn't blame Army for Petro leaving, but I think Army knew what his strategy was going into that and all the resulting moves were non-accidental.) It was merely that observation: here's how trading Stastny back in '18 played out in future trades. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'll go back to the '18 TDL move, though: that one, between how we were playing and what the roster looked like you could legitimately say I don't see us going real far if we get into the playoffs. This time around? The roster is no worse, arguably slightly better. It has the experience of having made a successful Cup run vs. having the experience of a WCF run, a 2nd round loss and a few 1st round losses, at least one and possibly all three of which were ... not good. There's an argument for not trading off because this is a weird year, we could arguably pull it together and go on another run, the experience on this roster could finally snap together and we go to playing elite-level hockey, ... things you definitely couldn't say about the '18 team. That's why I can't see us selling off unless we just go right into the toilet. (In which case, cue up all the threads on whether we fire the coach and/or the GM and who's more to blame.) However, I don't know where we have room to make a move that's an upgrade and not merely lateral. Maybe it's there, but I think it gets difficult in a hurry and we start asking how much of the future we're willing to mortgage for perhaps another chance at glory. I also don't know how a trade changes the mindset of this team. That's why I think it all has to start in the locker room.

TDL is April 12, so 2 months yet. I think we have a lot of the answers inside of the next 6 weeks, and the clock is ticking loudly.
 

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My commentary here wasn't a shot at Army. (Don't worry, I'm positive he'll earn more yet.) I've also posted my thoughts on Petro vs. Faulk. (Didn't blame Army for Petro leaving, but I think Army knew what his strategy was going into that and all the resulting moves were non-accidental.) It was merely that observation: here's how trading Stastny back in '18 played out in future trades. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'll go back to the '18 TDL move, though: that one, between how we were playing and what the roster looked like you could legitimately say I don't see us going real far if we get into the playoffs. This time around? The roster is no worse, arguably slightly better. It has the experience of having made a successful Cup run vs. having the experience of a WCF run, a 2nd round loss and a few 1st round losses, at least one and possibly all three of which were ... not good. There's an argument for not trading off because this is a weird year, we could arguably pull it together and go on another run, the experience on this roster could finally snap together and we go to playing elite-level hockey, ... things you definitely couldn't say about the '18 team. That's why I can't see us selling off unless we just go right into the toilet. (In which case, cue up all the threads on whether we fire the coach and/or the GM and who's more to blame.) However, I don't know where we have room to make a move that's an upgrade and not merely lateral. Maybe it's there, but I think it gets difficult in a hurry and we start asking how much of the future we're willing to mortgage for perhaps another chance at glory. I also don't know how a trade changes the mindset of this team. That's why I think it all has to start in the locker room.

TDL is April 12, so 2 months yet. I think we have a lot of the answers inside of the next 6 weeks, and the clock is ticking loudly.
I'm sorry, I say "you blame Army," but it was more of a representative thing. Obviously now, I see you weren't directing any frustration or anything towards Army, so that's fair. However, people are quick to look back at the trades we've made and note that our returns currently aren't performing better than what we gave up. I used to be this type of person, but now you just kinda have to look at what the culture was at that time and take that into consideration.

As far as being sellers, I would probably agree with you, but not because there aren't players we could target, but more so because we couldn't fit anyone on the team. I'd probably go as far to say that many teams probably won't be trading this year either because of the cap and covid situation, but I've seen weirder things. I'd prefer to bolster the defense or get a solid pk option to take the load off of some other guys. Maybe replace one of the bottom 6 guys with a Steen-type player who is decent but can pk well.

There are surely things we could do, but the scenario right now makes it hard. You could target a backup, but I think Husso will end up being fine. We'll just have to see how Army goes about it this year
 

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I don't see us being sellers. I know we did it in '18 when we were lumbering along, but ... well, I thought about this a little and then went down a rabbit hole.

The Paul Stastny to Winnipeg trade tree
Stastny and a conditional 4th (not exercised) to WPG for a 1st in '18 and Erik Foley
WPG 1st in '18 + our 3rd in '18 to TOR for their 1st in '18 (Dominik Bokk)
Bokk + Edmundson + 7th in '21 to CAR for Justin Faulk + 5th in '20
CAR 5th in '20 to MIN for their 6th in '20 (Will Cranley) and 7th in '20 (Noah Beck)

Net: Stastny + Edmundson + 3rd in '18 <---> Justin Faulk + Will Cranley + Noak Beck + Erik Foley (who's 99% likely to be done)
That seems like great deal to me!
 
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I don't think we're in a position to buy. We don't really have any holes in our lineup, there just is no chemistry outside of Kyrou-Schenn. Unless we're trying to trade laterally (like Dunn for a Defensive RHD) I don't see anything we can really buy for or with. I can honestly see us more as a seller with players on their last year of their contracts if DA doesn't see us going far.

I’m figuring we might swap out a few players for those who could shutdown the other team physically and help strengthen the Blueline. Talking purely about D. Offense gets going and they can slaughter anyone. Binny is solid and Husso will be fine with some games under his belt. For the box of parts Army scrambled to acquire, he didn’t do a half bad job. Need to tool the roster abit and play to the team strengths and these boys need to find their team identity and culture.
 
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I think early on I was a bit disappointed, but I think he started to buy into Berube's system and now I'm seeing really nice small plays where he breaks up a rush with a stick check or he will box out a guy nicely. He's not going to get guys on the boards like Mikkola, but I think with enough time, he could actually become a solid 2-way defenseman (with the work put in). I'm just hoping for those pp points to start raking in
I think the people who are relying solely on the eye test might be surprised to find that Krug is on a pace for 50 points in an 82 game season and that he is currently 2nd on the team in +/- at +11. I think he and Faulk have been managing both ends of the ice particularly well, and I feel like a good bit of the criticism hitting both is due to the fact that they are being effective in a different way than we are used to. Both are more aggressive in their defending than the more passive, funneling approach that we're used to seeing, but I think it a better stylistic fit for both players and I feel like the coaching staff is doing a good job of incorporating their strengths into team structure.
 

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I think the people who are relying solely on the eye test might be surprised to find that Krug is on a pace for 50 points in an 82 game season and that he is currently 2nd on the team in +/- at +11. I think he and Faulk have been managing both ends of the ice particularly well, and I feel like a good bit of the criticism hitting both is due to the fact that they are being effective in a different way than we are used to. Both are more aggressive in their defending than the more passive, funneling approach that we're used to seeing, but I think it a better stylistic fit for both players and I feel like the coaching staff is doing a good job of incorporating their strengths into team structure.
It's always hard to evaluate a player who has criticisms when we never got to see those from the prior team. He was touted as a pp specialist, probably average defender or worse, but mainly a good puck mover. I agree though, he has silently been putting up points, and oddly enough barely on the pp (2 assists). Once the pp gets going, he could have a career year while improving on the defensive side, something we have needed on the left side for a long time.
 
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Faulk and Krug have been the best two D on the team so far this year and it isn't remotely close. We are scoring 4+ goals per 60 minutes and allowing less than 2 goals per 60 minutes that either of them are on the ice at 5 on 5. Faulk has better actual numbers than Krug while Krug has better expected numbers than Faulk. I'm not sold that they can keep this up for years to come, but absolutely no one should be upset or disappointed by either of them. Krug hasn't been good enough on the PP, but that is a minor complaint compared to his overall game. It's not a great stat, but they are +11 and +12 at the 13 game mark. That's good for 3rd and 4th in the league. No one should treat +/- as gospel, but it is extremely difficult to be at almost +1 per game unless you are playing very well.

Again, I'm not convinced that this is who they are and will be moving forward. But so far, both have been really good this year. There is a very good argument that both are in the top 5 best Blues players this year. Binner, Schenn, Kyrou, Perron, ROR and Schwartz are in that conversation as well. I don't think you would be "wrong" to pick any 5 of those 8 names, but I'd have Krug no lower than 6th.
 

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...Binner, Schenn, Kyrou, Perron, ROR and Schwartz are in that conversation as well. I don't think you would be "wrong" to pick any 5 of those 8 names, but I'd have Krug no lower than 6th.
Unfortunately the dropoff after that group is huge. Pretty much everyone else needs to step up, particularly Parayko, Hoffman, and Thomas (when he returns).
 
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Bruins fan coming in peace. Curious to get your feedback on Krug. Admittedly, I was not a fan - great on the PP (although his slap shot was overrated), but I found him weak defensively with painfully slow straight-ahead speed - pretty quick side-to-side.

Are you happy with the signing?

I'm fine with Krug. I think he's getting better as the season goes along which we should expect as he's getting used to the Blues system and his new teammates. I would have rather signed Pietrangelo obviously but since that didn't happen I'm glad we got Krug so our defense didn't completely suck going into this year.
 
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I still don't know how good we are. We were sure to miss Pietrangelo, Steen, Bouwmeester and Tarasenko - and we have. I expected a lot from Parayko and Thomas and it hasn't happened.

Krug and Clifford have been just Ok. Thank goodness for Kyrou.
 

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The Blues have gone pretty deep into the taxi squad, and they’re still in a playoff spot. They need to improve, and they look like they have been. To me they’re playing an încreasingly harder style that Berube wants from them. But guys need to get healthy if they’re going to challenge the top teams in the division. I think there is real danger of slipping behind Minnesota when everyone is playing games again, especially if the Wild win the head to head series. They’re the only team the Blues haven’t faced yet.

Although they won 2 of them, the Blues have only played 3 of the 16 (or 24 if you include Minnesota) hardest games on the schedule.
 

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Hard to say how good we are when we've got like 25M worth of forwards on IR. One thing of concern to me is that Schenn has looked lost without Schwartz on his wing these last two games. If we're not for sure resigning Schwartz, we might want to make sure Schenn can play with someone else at the level he's shown for the last few years here - if not, we should look to trade him.
 

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I still don't know how good we are. We were sure to miss Pietrangelo, Steen, Bouwmeester and Tarasenko - and we have. I expected a lot from Parayko and Thomas and it hasn't happened.

Krug and Clifford have been just Ok. Thank goodness for Kyrou.
I mean Clifford is a 4th Line Grinder/Enforcer with 3 goals. I'm not sure how much more you want from him.
 

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Still think we are above average.

We make the playoffs and are eliminated in either round #1 or #2.
 
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I voted contender at the beginning, and as of this moment I still think it’s true.

Once we get our full roster healthy, I want to see if we stay in that group, or maybe even move up to the favorites category.

Kyrou and Faulk have been better than expected, and if they keep that up, we’ll be very hard to beat in a 7 game series.

Perron-O’Reilly-Kyrou
Schwartz-Schenn-Tarasenko
Hoffman-Thomas-Bozak
Sanford/Clifford/Blais-Barbashev-Sundqvist

Krug-Faulk
Scandella-Parayko
Dunn-Bortuzzo/Mikkola

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I’m struggling to find many teams with better all-around depth..
 

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On starting to doubt can this Team make tp the playoffs. For sure we wont win Cup so taking higher pick is good option, build prospect pool and future. Ofc Team is trying to win, but I dont see this Team can pull another Gloria run, not with this d-core.
 

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