How do you fix the Wings?

[dragonballgtz]

Marner?

He would be a big boost but I would need to see what Raymond and Seider get first before entertaining that thought.

For sure Leafs would want us to take on the full cap hit. Also they would want Berg to be part of the deal.

 

[lilidk]

He would be a big boost but I would need to see what Raymond and Seider get first before entertaining that thought.

For sure Leafs would want us to take on the full cap hit. Also they would want Berg to be part of the deal.

Also They should get Copp, so good defensively

 

[lilidk]

Raymond playing now and of course his center was taken by Hurricanes and we skipped him 3 times in the second last draft

 

[dragonballgtz]

Also They should get Copp, so good defensively

I wish. But it would need to be someone with his cap hit or more to go the other way... which really is only Copp, JT, or Cat. So something like:

To Toronto: Berg + Copp/JT/Cat + 2nd (if Copp or JT is involved)
To Detroit: Marner + another contract


Ideally I would want Marner & Knies. Knies seems like he is gonna develop into a decently skilled power forward, something Wings are sorely lacking in.

To Detroit: Marner + Knies + 2nd
To Toronto: 1st + Berg + Ras + Copp/JT/Cat + maybe something else?

 

[letsgowings9999]

Zero interest in marner

He also has a Nmc , hes not leaving

 

[Ezekial]

1st + Berggren + Wallinder

No way they trade Knies to make a Marner trade work.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Zero interest in marner

He also has a Nmc , hes not leaving

That hasn't stopped most trades and he might feel like a change is needed.

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

That hasn't stopped most trades and he might feel like a change is needed.

Better to boost your stats next season playing with Matthews and co ahead of the new contract.

 

[NickH8]

Did another armchair gm, I'm bored of the offseason already.

Danielson and Kasper compete for the 3C spot in camp. I think Fabbri and Perron would be decent linemates to bring a young center up to speed. Fabbri has athletic ability and Perron has smarts. If you can't get Kane back you've got an extra $1.489mil to bring in someone else like Toffoli, Tarasenko, or Teravainen. If you go cheaper in net than Broissoit and cheaper on D than Walker maybe you could get Marchessault or Guentzel.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Zero interest in marner

He also has a Nmc , hes not leaving

Agreed.

I can't see Yzerman making moves to bring in a winger that will make more than Raymond will on his new contract but competes half as hard.

 

[WaW]

I'd rather trade for Marner than pay Sam Reinhart a figure for 7 years that is based off of his 2023-24 season when the player he truly is should be something based on his 2022-23 numbers (which was basically the same season he's had for 4 of the past 6 years). 21-22 was a weird year where almost everyone on Florida (except Montour and Verhaeghe) had unrealistic, inflated career offensive seasons. Regardless of any debate you wanna have about that, the point is he's going to get like 10+ million dollars a year and he's nowhere near even remotely worth that.

It's legitimately probably a difference of 3 million dollars per year, and there will be teams dumb enough to do it, so pass. His contract will be the absolute worst in the league within two and a half years.

 

[WaW]

One other point about Marner that gets overlooked. Despite all of the fluffy Toronto media hot takes about his intangibles, the selective outrage by their fans over nitpicked plays, his tendency to "disappear in the playoffs", etc, his last SIX seasons offensively have all been pretty much exactly the same (1.15ish points per game), regardless of whether he's played on Matthews' line or not. He's a consistently elite 1st line forward season to season. I can live with "disappears in the playoffs" when we haven't been to the playoffs since the fall of f***ing Constantinope.

 

[Ricelund]

One other point about Marner that gets overlooked. Despite all of the fluffy Toronto media hot takes about his intangibles, the selective outrage by their fans over nitpicked plays, his tendency to "disappear in the playoffs", etc, his last SIX seasons offensively have all been pretty much exactly the same (1.15ish points per game), regardless of whether he's played on Matthews' line or not. He's a consistently elite 1st line forward season to season. I can live with "disappears in the playoffs" when we haven't been to the playoffs since the fall of f***ing Constantinope.

I agree, tbh. Leafs fans are notorious for singling out one guy. 90 point guys don't grow on trees.

Datsyuk "disappeared in the playoffs" before he didn't.

 

[Retire91]

LOL I always love when these conversations come down to, let's just get [[insert one of the best players in the NHL in their prime]]

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

LOL I always love when these conversations come down to, let's just get [[insert one of the best players in the NHL in their prime]]

Yeah

Still better then let's just add junk from FA or I expect everyone of our draft picks to become stars

 

[jkutswings]

Yeah

Still better then let's just add junk from FA or I expect everyone of our draft picks to become stars

And nobody thought Eichel was worth the risk. Except that it turns out he was.

And nobody expected Florida to land Tkachuk in a blockbuster. But it happened.

Not likely <> don't pursue it.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

And nobody thought Eichel was worth the risk. Except that it turns out he was.

And nobody expected Florida to land Tkachuk in a blockbuster. But it happened.

Not likely <> don't pursue it.

If SY could somehow land Marner he should make that move 100 times out of 100

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

If SY could somehow land Marner he should make that move 100 times out of 100

If SY could somehow make the cap work. Landing him wouldn't be the hard part, making the team cap compliant would be. Homeboy makes 11 mil a year.

 

[letsgowings9999]

That hasn't stopped most trades and he might feel like a change is needed.

Hes a local kid playing for his fav team. I'm sure he'll want a chance to be lovee by the fans again

Only way I see Him going is if hes harrassed constantly

Last thing we need is to add another 6 foot softie on the top 6. We already have smurfie alex and raymond plays big but hes not a big body

 

[Pavels Dog]

Yzerman needs to step up and pay the prices to get great player, Or we stay mediocre.

Our prospect pool may be considered deep.
But at the top end it is lacking any type of super prospects that figure to change the trajectory of the big club in the next 3 years.

you talk as if we've been hovering around 90 points for years. We just got here.

There's no reason to think this team can't take the next step just by continuing on the current trajectory. Keep making small improvements. We need to get better defensively and find some more reliable goaltending. But how much should we pay for that considering Cossa is a #1 goalie in the AHL, Augustine is already playing in the Men's World Champs, and we have Edvinsson, Pellikka, Wallinder, Buium etc. developing?

The pipe-dream of a big trade that completely swings our fortunes and gives us a superstar is a dangerous one to chase. The biggest risk you run in our current situation is impatience.

 

[jkutswings]

you talk as if we've been hovering around 90 points for years. We just got here.

There's no reason to think this team can't take the next step just by continuing on the current trajectory. Keep making small improvements. We need to get better defensively and find some more reliable goaltending. But how much should we pay for that considering Cossa is a #1 goalie in the AHL, Augustine is already playing in the Men's World Champs, and we have Edvinsson, Pellikka, Wallinder, Buium etc. developing?

The pipe-dream of a big trade that completely swings our fortunes and gives us a superstar is a dangerous one to chase. The biggest risk you run in our current situation is impatience.

It's not that it must happen immediately. It's that, statistically speaking, it must happen eventually.

Detroit has already outperformed their draft slots with Raymond, Seider, and likely Edvinsson. They are seeing very encouraging development from Cossa, Augustine, ASP, and Danielson. But 1) there's no way that this will continue with all of their prospects, all the way to very good play in the NHL, and 2) even if it did, then you'll fill the roster and still have kids left over.

It's a numbers game at both ends. You start by hoarding picks and hope that enough of them hit to put some good pieces together. But you can't perpetually assume they'll all hit, so at some point you start to trade quantity for quality.

I just want Yzerman to keep his eyes open for opportunities. Don't force it, but take advantage of a good trade whenever you can. Because at least some of these "can't miss" kids will end up missing, and I'd rather package a few of them for a better player.

 

[Pavels Dog]

It's not that it must happen immediately. It's that, statistically speaking, it must happen eventually.

Detroit has already outperformed their draft slots with Raymond, Seider, and likely Edvinsson. They are seeing very encouraging development from Cossa, Augustine, ASP, and Danielson. But 1) there's no way that this will continue with all of their prospects, all the way to very good play in the NHL, and 2) even if it did, then you'll fill the roster and still have kids left over.

It's a numbers game at both ends. You start by hoarding picks and hope that enough of them hit to put some good pieces together. But you can't perpetually assume they'll all hit, so at some point you start to trade quantity for quality.

I just want Yzerman to keep his eyes open for opportunities. Don't force it, but take advantage of a good trade whenever you can. Because at least some of these "can't miss" kids will end up missing, and I'd rather package a few of them for a better player.

I'm all for cashing in on opportunities like the Debrincat trade more times. And if a legit star player becomes available you obviously look into it.

But just like we shouldn't expect every prospect to hit, there's also danger in assuming no one is a "super prospect" who can impact our team in a big way unless they're a bluechip prospect.

Take this example:
Defenseman A - d+3 (NCAA) - 36 points/43GP, +33
Defenseman B - d+3 (NCAA) - 27 points/38GP, +29

One of them is one of our prospects that most people would probably be totally fine with trading, the other is Brock Faber.

 

[Hawaiibros]

Alright I’ll give it a go.

Resign Seider 8 year/8 mil
Resign Raymond 8 year/7.5mil
Resign burgers 3 year/ 1.25 mil
Resign Kane 2 year/4 mil
Resign Joe 1 year/ 1.75 mil
Resign aljo 3 years/1.25 mil
Resign Perron 1 year/1.75 mil

I think burgers gets a shot next year. All the others, I feel standard. Perron could maybe get more, but I think he sticks around at slightly below value.

For trades basically get rid of Husso and maata. Get anything you can for them and I’d even give up something to get rid of them. I don’t see Steve being to active here.

Free Agency
Sign Stamkos 3 year/ 7.75 mil

I know this is probably a long shot but this is more than Tampa could afford and there’s always that Yzerman connection.

Draft
Be aggressive and go and get Eiserman. He scored over a goal per game with the USNDT and I’m starting to see him go around 10 or 11. We need difference makers

Call ups
I’m running with Cossa, Danielson, Burgers, and Aljo all making the team.

Lineup
Cat-Larkin-Ray
Burgers-Stamkos-Kane
Danielson-JT-Perron
Ras-Joe-Fabs
Copp

Seider-Walman
Ed-Chariot
AlJo-Petry
Holl

Cossa
Lyon

Kasper and Carter as your first forward call ups and willander or ASP as first D call up
Prolly sign a depth defenseman and a 3rd goalie but nothing crazy.

Obviously, the hope is that most growth comes internally and on the back end, where Ed and Aljo help out. Obviously, a big risk with goaltending but I think Cossa/Lyon will be able to hold the fort down. Plus I don’t want to commit long term to that position with Cossa and Augustine both looking good

This comes in at about 86mil which is 2 under the cap for any depth signings that I’m sure Steve will do

 

[PelagicJoe]

I wish. But it would need to be someone with his cap hit or more to go the other way... which really is only Copp, JT, or Cat. So something like:

To Toronto: Berg + Copp/JT/Cat + 2nd (if Copp or JT is involved)
To Detroit: Marner + another contract


Ideally I would want Marner & Knies. Knies seems like he is gonna develop into a decently skilled power forward, something Wings are sorely lacking in.

To Detroit: Marner + Knies + 2nd
To Toronto: 1st + Berg + Ras + Copp/JT/Cat + maybe something else?

That seems like overpaying to me, even if Marner is good.

 

[jkutswings]

Just in thinking about the numbers...

Is there enough cap space to make something work where Detroit gets both Marner and Tavares, but Toronto eats half of JT's salary?

I'm not even sure I'd be interested. Just doodling with the dollar signs. (And assuming Marner would get extended at a tolerable number.)

That would be $16.4M coming here, which would mean there would still need to be at least some salary heading back to Toronto (plus several pending free agents not returning) to have any chance of also getting Seider and Raymond extended to proper deals. (Which is more important than adding anybody. I mean, JT only has one year left, so deals for the kids could be structured with one cheap year and then the number balloons up. But keeping both of them on good deals far outweighs any other moves.)

Maybe Husso hits LTIR and Holl goes back to the Leafs? But at that point, what else goes to Toronto to give them reason to make the deal (other than freeing up that much cap space)?

Just a thought experiment.