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to build a long term contender it takes a monster core ! and the only way to build this core , seider-raymond-edvinsson-kasper are the young start of it (very strong start) , IS THRU THE DRAFT ! AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET EARLY DRAFT PIX , IN A LEAGUE WHERE THE TALENT RUNS OUT EACH DRAFT BY THE EARLY TEENS , IS TO HAVE A BAD RECORD !!!! we wouldnt have gotten kasper if yzerman signed better ufa a few years ago to create a iffy non contender getting into playoffs ! yzerman cant come out and say it but he has not tried to ice the best roster possible since he got here because it would have hurt his draft position while maybe getting a flawed team to win a round . A FLAWED TEAM WINNING A ROUND DOES N.O.T.H.I.N.G. !!!! hes methodically peice by peice building a long term cup runner ! larkins a full tilt all in person with his heart on his sleeve so came out with criticism because hes young and unwise , no big deal . he takes his commitment to the fans very seriously , and hes out on the streets hearing the same cry baby fans that are in this forum and it got to him . but the RED WAVE is building , and all the cry baby rats will drown in it when once again #19 is drinking from lord stanleys cup :nod:
 
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to build a long term contender it takes a monster core ! and the only way to build this core , seider-raymond-edvinsson-kasper are the young start of it (very strong start) , IS THRU THE DRAFT ! AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET EARLY DRAFT PIX , IN A LEAGUE WHERE THE TALENT RUNS OUT EACH DRAFT BY THE EARLY TEENS , IS TO HAVE A BAD RECORD !!!! we wouldnt have gotten kasper if yzerman signed better ufa a few years ago to create a iffy non contender getting into playoffs ! yzerman cant come out and say it but he has not tried to ice the best roster possible since he got here because it would have hurt his draft position while maybe getting a flawed team to win a round . A FLAWED TEAM WINNING A ROUND DOES N.O.T.H.I.N.G. !!!! hes methodically peice by peice building a long term cup runner ! larkins a full tilt all in person with his heart on his sleeve so came out with criticism because hes young and unwise , no big deal . he takes his commitment to the fans very seriously , and hes out on the streets hearing the same cry baby fans that are in this forum and it got to him . but the RED WAVE is building , and all the cry baby rats will drown in it when once again #19 is drinking from lord stanleys cup :nod:


So let me get this straight. Yzerman had an unlimited leash because he knows more than us crybaby ungrateful fans and we should just stfu and be patient. Godzerman will tell us when he’s going to win, when he wants to win. The world operates on his timetable. And on this timetable other teams aren’t also trying to improve, so his plan is the only one that will work.

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So let me get this straight. Yzerman had an unlimited leash because he knows more than us crybaby ungrateful fans and we should just stfu and be patient. Godzerman will tell us when he’s going to win, when he wants to win. The world operates on his timetable. And on this timetable other teams aren’t also trying to improve, so his plan is the only one that will work.

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no youve determined the time table that an nhl rebuild works on , knowing better than yzerman whose been in the nhl 40 years and built as close as it gets to a dynasty during cap era in tbay . and you should not have respect for that accomplishment and his great calls on the draft floor . and that yzermans been buddys with bowman for 30 years , not to mention other nhl legends whom hes learned from . fan joe smo knows better
 
So let me get this straight. Yzerman had an unlimited leash because he knows more than us crybaby ungrateful fans and we should just stfu and be patient. Godzerman will tell us when he’s going to win, when he wants to win. The world operates on his timetable. And on this timetable other teams aren’t also trying to improve, so his plan is the only one that will work.

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Marco Kasper - 2nd among all rookies in even-strength goals, Ed 1st among all 21 and under d-men in even strength goals.

Captain hindsight says he'd of been first if Yzerman fired the coach earlier holding back his playing time.

Larkin should have fired him. It's his fault.
 
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All of our cup teams had guys on the 3rd and 4th lines who could have played further up the lineup. If we have the talent to push Soderblom to the 4th line, that's a good thing. Would I necessarily have the same lines as the poster being quoted? No, but if we sign Ehlers, re-sign Kane, promote Danielson...those top9 slots get filled pretty quickly.
 
All of our cup teams had guys on the 3rd and 4th lines who could have played further up the lineup. If we have the talent to push Soderblom to the 4th line, that's a good thing. Would I necessarily have the same lines as the poster being quoted? No, but if we sign Ehlers, re-sign Kane, promote Danielson...those top9 slots get filled pretty quickly.
When we won our cups we had the grind line , they didn’t move up to the top 2 lines. Elmer isn’t going to be a kocur. Have you seen our lineup this year? Does it look like we have the talent to push Soderblom on the 4th line?

If he’s a 4th liner here He’s not gonna be a redwing for long. Might as well deal him. As for his roster we don’t need to keep both compher and copp here AND add beauvillier , one should stay on the roster and preferably on the 4th line. Kasper,johansson broke out this year, kids playing on this team is the only way we’re getting better

Soderblom on the 4th is pointless. Send him off with a 1st+ and go get a top pairing Dman at that point
 
So Yzerman is not going to address the media? That doesn't look good.
he was very disappointed and he is just taking his time to figure things out. I believe it is right thing to do. For sure , we have very different team next season
 
he was very disappointed and he is just taking his time to figure things out. I believe it is right thing to do. For sure , we have very different team next season
Hope we have a diff team ... you think hes willing or capable of moving Gustafson holl tarasenko , possibly a goalie, one of compher/copp ,probably berggren and god knows who else im missing

I'd love if he can get rid of 5-7 bodies for kids and new guys
 
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Hope we have a diff team ... you think hes willing or capable of moving Gustafson holl tarasenko , possibly a goalie, one of compher/copp ,probably berggren and god knows who else im missing

I'd love if he can get rid of 5-7 bodies for kids and new guys
We wish. Unlikely though.
 
We wish. Unlikely though.
If he doesnt mcKenna becomes part of the yzerplan cause theres no way we're going anywhere with this roster

Might as well stick Watson on the 4th line full time ,pick up laine's last season and let him figure skate around, bring back petry and keep holl,delay danielson and some kids

Either make significant changes to improve or suck one more season before lombardi can come full time,asp,nygaard etc...
 
We really need to try anything to get Marner. He kills penalties very good defensively and can get 100 points. Right shot. Literally everything we need in a top 6 and he is only 28. I doubt he would chose Detroit but if he does i think we get another cup...
 
Captain hindsight says he'd of been first if Yzerman fired the coach earlier holding back his playing time.

Larkin should have fired him. It's his fault.

I don't think any coach would have started Kasper on the top line to start the season. Nobody expected Tank and Compher to suck so bad this season.

Once it became obvious that Ras, Tank, Joey, Burger and Compher were all gonna suck ass then he should have been moved up. Keep in mind that even Todd tried Joey first before Kasper. Plus I think he would've started slow even with better linemates, he started the season trying to split NHL defenders, and he's not THAT good.

I'm glad to see him make adjustments and look like a second line center though.
 
Didn’t the devils say they were going to make changes ? I remember lmfaooo sorry just seen Florida make it 3-0 and some leafs fan looked like he was about to cry hahahaha
Too good

Back to topic 🤣 wasn’t mercer on the block? He’d be a good add on the 3rd line and can move up if an injury occurs. No idea what the cost would be ... again problem is getting rid of never ending bottom 6 guys that need to go
 
I will try to keep 'role' and contribution realistic for prospects. Nothing like "Buch play next to Larks and 45goals!" stuff. Will try to move them prospects in a reasonable and expected role (i.e. Danielson starts as a bottom six C/W with support from a veteran as a rookie, and grows into a middle six Center by 2nd or 3rd yr) and to cover gaps in the lineup through trade or plugs.

We have 5 of 6 Top Six Forward positions spoken for at this point (Larkin, Raymond, Debrincat, Kane, and Kasper), with the likely need to replace Kane in the next 18 months (which I will assume either Danielson or MBN will be able to do by then). Now there remains a couple of scenarios where someone like Mazur or even Lombardi could be a longer term Top 6 Winger in a Bertuzzi style role but I think they would be better served as two parts of a very dangerous 3rd line - and although that could happen, would love for it to, I'm not counting on it.

So we need to find a better 1LW or 2C (so Kasper can move up to LW).

The other top priority for the Wings should be addressing the penalty kill (which will partially be addressed through better coaching, time in the offseason to actually change the system, etc.), but really getting the bottom six a little more cleaned up; getting a real defensive line put into place to eat tough minutes, but also finding a more productive and "tough to play against" 3rd line.

The last part of this is getting a better balance and mix for our defensive pairings and allowing ASP to eventually take that PP1/2nd RHD spot, and hopefully move Johansson to his more natural spot of 3rd pair LHD.

So if we're looking at this off-season:
1. Top 6 Physical LW on a 1-2yr contract
2. Top 4 under 30y LHD

1. Sign Brandon Saad to a 1yr 4M dollar contract+ bonus

Saad seems like a realistic addition who gives the Top 6 a gritty, crease crasher, with veteran experience, can play in a number of situations, and can be realistically had on a short term contract. He's still a good finisher and a hard worker, can skate and keep up with the play, and likes to still play a physical, in-your-face style. Basically to emulate how Kasper worked with Larkin+Raymond. Saad will be financially motivated in this case, and in addition has prior relationship with Kane and we could move Debrincat and Saad back and forth between the lines. Could also be a nice template for Mazur to look after.

Alternatives to this would be a Jamie Benn/Duchene big point getting 1st line 30+ vet but those aren't really going to be cheap or come to DET as they are cup chasing, or paying up for a RFA (Knies, Cuylle, etc.) but I'm unsure of their availability and cost but you could chase someone like that with the expectation that they will be here for the longterm.

2. Trade for Bowen Byram

Pagnotta has reported that BUF is ready to move him for all the reasons (doesn't fit their team, can't carry his own pairing, don't want to commit X amount, already have Power and Dahlin, etc.). We were probably scouting him pretty heavily prior to the deadline, and he seems like a very strong complement to Seider, wouldn't have to carry the pair, brings a bit more offense to the two of them, and could very realistically be part of our long term build.

I'm going to toss to BUF for RFA Byram:

Rasmussen + 2025 1st + B-Level Prospect (Buium)

I imagine that BUF thinks they will get a king's ransom of Byram, but I'm not sure if that's the case. This feels like a pretty good return for the RFA that they are very publicly trying to move, who is still present a problem for most teams that he will command a 6M+ AAV contract that many probably aren't comfortable giving at this point. I think Byram, at 24, could be a very strong piece for us and really get our D core a little more balance and move Chiarot down to the third pair.

25-26 Season

Saad* - Larkin - Raymond
Debrincat - Kasper - Kane
Berggren - Copp - Tarasenko
Mazur - Compher* - Soderblom

Byram* - Seider
Edvinsson - Johansson
Chiarot - Holl
Gustavsson

This feels like a good transitional roster that can make the playoffs. Throughout the season, I would expect An. Johansson, Sandin-Pelikka, and Danielsson to all get call ups and could supplant Gustavsson/Holl, and Tarasenko respectively.
 
This feels like a good transitional roster that can make the playoffs. Throughout the season, I would expect An. Johansson, Sandin-Pelikka, and Danielsson to all get call ups and could supplant Gustavsson/Holl, and Tarasenko respectively.

And moving into that 2026-27 Summer, I think THAT's the summer you try to make a swing at UFAs. You should have been in the playoffs - hopefully by season end you have moved another class of prospects up into getting NHL regular season and playoff time, and you make a serious run at adding a Kyle Connor-level FA; young core, poised to breakout, big time deal, hometown team. etc

Connor - Larkin - Raymond
Debrincat - Kasper - Kane
Berggren - Danielson - Mazur
Soderblom - Copp - Compher

Byram - Seider
Edvinsson - Sandin-Pelikka
Johansson - Johansson
Wallinder

Talbot
Cossa
 
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Mason Marchment and Matt Duchene might be a cap casualties on Dallas. Of the two I’d prefer Marchment even though he might cost an asset to pick up. Hes a perfect compliment to our top 6. Under 30. Big, physical, rugged. He can also play up and down the lineup to give the team flexibility.

Duchene would be a solid pickup but I also think the stars work to keep him. If Detroit picked him up he could play 2c or 1LW, swapping with Kasper.
 
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