Injury Report: How do YOU fix the Red Wings? 2.0!

[Run the Jewels]

Fwiw

I only see Bultman's reply. What was the question?

 

[SirloinUB]

Fwiw

I was starting to think his "end of season" press conference might turn into a midsummer press conference.

 

[ElProfessor]

Since we’re throwing out things that will never happen, I trade Larkin to Edmonton for McDavid. Then I’ll go sign Marner for league max.

There you go. We all have fantasies!

No. What I said was very, very realistic.

Still waiting for Your idea. Thanks.

 

[SoupNazi]

No. What I said was very, very realistic.

Still waiting for Your idea. Thanks.

No, it really, really wasn’t. I just gave you my idea.

 

[ElProfessor]

No, it really, really wasn’t. I just gave you my idea.

It was. And still waiting for your idea.

Since I’ve asked you 15 times and you refuse to answer…. I’m assuming you have none. Thanks.

 

[SoupNazi]

It was. And still waiting for your idea.

Since I’ve asked you 15 times and you refuse to answer…. I’m assuming you have none. Thanks.

I’m not going to answer your La La Land fantasy with a reality, “Professor.”

 

[SirloinUB]

If you want to fix the team without blowing it up…

#1: Need a LHD. Immediately. I’d love for Yzerman to pull a rabbit out of his arse trade. But I haven’t heard a single rumor. So I’m going to assume Gavrikov is the best realistic option. And you’re going to have to overpay to get him. And you should.

He’s not perfect. And he might be a 3rd pair D at the end of his contract. But that’s okay. It’s also a good draft to trade up into the mid-1st (ala Cossa/ASP) to draft a top-4 LHD of the future. I really like Aitcheson in this draft.

#1b: Need to find a solid AHL+ RHD to hold the fort until ASP’s ready. Holl and Gustafsson should start the yr in the GR or elsewhere.

Edvinsson—Seider
Gavrikov—Johansson (then ASP)
Chiarot—AHL+ (then Johansson)

That’d ^ be a solid-enough D to make the playoffs. Certainly much, much better than this past yr.

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#2: Need to sign Marner and a vet top-6 forward (or two vet top-6 forwards). Marner is of course the dream. We should be the top-bidder. If we get him, great. If we don’t, I’d prefer two vets on short deals (3’ish yrs), given the market. Love Kane, but he’s best as a 3rd line PP specialist at this point.

Tavares, Duchene, Granlund, Nelson, Marchand. Find 2. If it’s just 3yr deals…who cares what it costs.

#2b: Have to find a way to improve the PK. No one on this bottom line can kill penalties. Easiest guy to move for someone will be Ras (maybe package he and Berggren), given Copp/Compher’s contracts. Tank should start the yr in GR or elsewhere.

Tavares?—Larkin—Raymond
DeBrincat—Kasper—Duchene?
Mazur/Soder—Danielson—Kane
Mazur/Soder, Ras+Berg trade?, Copp
Compher

That’s a solid enough group ^

I like the idea of adding Gavrikov but Im pretty skeptical about overpaying him. Same with Provorov. I feel like these guys are going to get 8M AAV +. Signing a 29 year old, 30 point Dman to an $8M+ x 6 or 7 year contract seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

I don't see a world were Duchene/Tavares leave their respective teams. They seem happy competing for cups where they are at. Helping out a rebuild doesn't seem like what they would want at this point in their career.

I love the idea of Marner and I think Yzerman will go hard after him. I doubt it happens though.

FWIW, on paper, I like your lineup.

 

[DTR]

I only see Bultman's reply. What was the question?

that he expects an end of season PC to happen

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I was starting to think his "end of season" press conference might turn into a midsummer press conference.

It does seem later this season than previous

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Compher for Bertuzzi
Holl bought out
Berggren, 2024 3rd for Kastelic
Romanov, Nelson for Detroit 2025 1st, Wallinder.

 

[ElProfessor]

I’m not going to answer your La La Land fantasy with a reality, “Professor.”

Great. You have no ideas. We all got that 16 replies ago. Thanks.

 

[ElProfessor]

I like the idea of adding Gavrikov but Im pretty skeptical about overpaying him. Same with Provorov. I feel like these guys are going to get 8M AAV +. Signing a 29 year old, 30 point Dman to an $8M+ x 6 or 7 year contract seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

I don't see a world were Duchene/Tavares leave their respective teams. They seem happy competing for cups where they are at. Helping out a rebuild doesn't seem like what they would want at this point in their career.

I love the idea of Marner and I think Yzerman will go hard after him. I doubt it happens though.

FWIW, on paper, I like your lineup.

I don’t see a world where Tavares or Duchene leave Toronto or Dallas either. I see a very likely scenario where Toronto and Dallas don’t have cap space for Tavares and Duchene, and they’re forced to look at alternatives.

Gavrikov will probably, high-end, get $7x7.

If you trade up into the 1st (ala Cossa/ASP) to draft a top-4 LHD of the future in this draft…as I propose…it’ll be 2-3yrs before he’s ready…

Chiarot (who was never as good as Gavrikov), is going to be 34 next yr. Would you be comfortable with him as a 3rd pair D next yr? Of course you would

Petry (who was also never as good as Gavrikov), was 37 this season. Was he “okay” when healthy as a 3rd pair D? Sure.

2025-26: Year 1/7
Edvinsson(22)—Seider(24)
Gavrikov(30)—ASP(2nd half, 20)
Chiarot(34)—Johansson(24)

1st Rd LHD(18)

2026-27: Year 2/7
Edvinsson(23)—Seider(25)
Gavrikov(31)—ASP(21)
Wallinder(24)—Johansson(25)

1st Rd LHD (19)

2027-28: Year 3/7
Edvinsson(24)—Seider(26)
Gavrikov(32)—ASP(22)
1st Rd LHD (20)—Johansson(26)
Wallinder(25)

2028-29: Year 4/7
Edvinsson(25)—Seider(27)
1st Rd LHD (21)—ASP(23)
Gavrikov(33)—Johansson(27)
Wallinder(26)

2029-30: Year 5/7
Edvinsson(26)—Seider(28)
1st Rd LHD (22)—ASP(24)
Gavrikov(34)—Johansson(28)
Wallinder(27)

2030-31: Year 6/7
Edvinsson(27)—Seider(29)
1st Rd LHD (23)—ASP(25)
Gavrikov(35)—Johansson(29)
Wallinder(28)

**Year 6 of the contract is the 1st yr Gavrikov will be older than Chiarot is now on the 3rd pair**

2031-32: Year 7/7
Edvinsson(28)—Seider(30)
1st Rd LHD (24)—ASP(26)
Gavrikov(36)—Johansson(30)
Wallinder(29)

**Year 7 of the contract Gavrikov will still be one yr younger than Petry was this past season**

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Maaaybe the last yr of that contract is bad. But it’s not horrible. The AAV will probably look like nothing next to whatever the cap is then. And it’s a very small price to pay for the stabilization it would bring to our D core for the prior 6yrs.

Agreed?

 

[ElProfessor]

I like the idea of adding Gavrikov but Im pretty skeptical about overpaying him. Same with Provorov. I feel like these guys are going to get 8M AAV +. Signing a 29 year old, 30 point Dman to an $8M+ x 6 or 7 year contract seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

I don't see a world were Duchene/Tavares leave their respective teams. They seem happy competing for cups where they are at. Helping out a rebuild doesn't seem like what they would want at this point in their career.

I love the idea of Marner and I think Yzerman will go hard after him. I doubt it happens though.

FWIW, on paper, I like your lineup.

Let me add forwards to this projection…..(if we don’t blow it up - trade Larkin/DeBrincat)…..bc I’m a .

I’ll be pessimistic and predict Marchand on a 3yr deal is the best we can get this summer.

2025-26: Year 1/7
Marchand(37)—Larkin(29)—Raymond(23)
DeBrincat(28)—Kasper(21)—Kane(37)
Soder(24)—Danielson(21)—Mazur(23)
Ras(26)—Copp(31)—Compher(30)

Edvinsson(22)—Seider(24)
Gavrikov(30)—ASP(2nd half, 20)
Chiarot(34)—Johansson(24)

Mrazek(33), Talbot(38)

1st Rd W(18)
1st Rd LHD(18)

2026-27: Year 2/7
CONNOR(30)—Larkin(30)—Raymond(24)
DeBrincat(29)—Kasper(22)—MBN(21)
Buchelnikov(23)—Danielson(22)—Kane(38)
Marchand(38)—Copp(32)—Mazur(24)
Soder(25)

Edvinsson(23)—Seider(25)
Gavrikov(31)—ASP(21)
Wallinder(24)—Johansson(25)

Cossa(24), ???

1st Rd W (19)
1st Rd LHD (19)

2027-28: Year 3/7
CONNOR(31)—Larkin(31)—Raymond(25)
DeBrincat(30)—Kasper(23)—MBN(22)
Buchelnikov(24)—Danielson(23)—1st Rd W(20)
Marchand(39)—Finnie(22)—Mazur(25)
Soder(26)

Edvinsson(24)—Seider(26)
Gavrikov(32)—ASP(22)
1st Rd LHD (20)—Johansson(26)
Wallinder(25)

Cossa(25), Augustine(22)

2028-29: Year 4/7
CONNOR(32)—Larkin(32)—Raymond(26)
DeBrincat(31)—Kasper(24)—MBN(23)
Buchelnikov(25)—Danielson(24)—1st Rd W(21)
Soder(27)—Finnie(23)—Mazur(25)

Edvinsson(25)—Seider(27)
1st Rd LHD (21)—ASP(23)
Gavrikov(33)—Johansson(27)
Wallinder(26)

Cossa(26), Augustine(23)

2029-30: Year 5/7
CONNOR(33)—Larkin(33)—Raymond(27)
DeBrincat(32)—Kasper(25)—MBN(24)
Buchelnikov(26)—Danielson(25)—1st Rd W(22)
Soder(28)—Finnie(24)—Mazur(26)

Edvinsson(26)—Seider(28)
1st Rd LHD (22)—ASP(24)
Gavrikov(34)—Johansson(28)
Wallinder(27)

Cossa(27), Augustine(24)

2030-31: Year 6/7
CONNOR(34)—Larkin(34)—Raymond(28)
DeBrincat(33)—Kasper(26)—MBN(25)
Buchelnikov(27)—Danielson(26)—1st Rd W(23)
Soder(29)—Finnie(25)—Mazur(27)

Edvinsson(27)—Seider(29)
1st Rd LHD (23)—ASP(25)
Gavrikov(35)—Johansson(29)
Wallinder(28)

Cossa(28), Augustine(25)

2031-32: Year 7/7
CONNOR(35)—Larkin(35)—Raymond(29)
DeBrincat(34)—Kasper(27)—MBN(26)
Buchelnikov(28)—Danielson(27)—1st Rd W(24)
Soder(30)—Finnie(26)—Mazur(28)

Edvinsson(28)—Seider(30)
1st Rd LHD (24)—ASP(26)
Gavrikov(36)—Johansson(30)
Wallinder(29)

Cossa(29), Augustine(26)

 

[ElProfessor]

Let me add forwards to this projection…..(if we don’t blow it up - trade Larkin/DeBrincat)…..bc I’m a .

I’ll be pessimistic and predict Marchand on a 3yr deal is the best we can get this summer.

2025-26: Year 1/7
Marchand(37)—Larkin(29)—Raymond(23)
DeBrincat(28)—Kasper(21)—Kane(37)
Soder(24)—Danielson(21)—Mazur(23)
Ras(26)—Copp(31)—Compher(30)

Edvinsson(22)—Seider(24)
Gavrikov(30)—ASP(2nd half, 20)
Chiarot(34)—Johansson(24)

Mrazek(33), Talbot(38)

1st Rd W(18)
1st Rd LHD(18)

2026-27: Year 2/7
CONNOR(30)—Larkin(30)—Raymond(24)
DeBrincat(29)—Kasper(22)—MBN(21)
Buchelnikov(23)—Danielson(22)—Kane(38)
Marchand(38)—Copp(32)—Mazur(24)
Soder(25)

Edvinsson(23)—Seider(25)
Gavrikov(31)—ASP(21)
Wallinder(24)—Johansson(25)

Cossa(24), ???

1st Rd W (19)
1st Rd LHD (19)

2027-28: Year 3/7
CONNOR(31)—Larkin(31)—Raymond(25)
DeBrincat(30)—Kasper(23)—MBN(22)
Buchelnikov(24)—Danielson(23)—1st Rd W(20)
Marchand(39)—Finnie(22)—Mazur(25)
Soder(26)

Edvinsson(24)—Seider(26)
Gavrikov(32)—ASP(22)
1st Rd LHD (20)—Johansson(26)
Wallinder(25)

Cossa(25), Augustine(22)

2028-29: Year 4/7
CONNOR(32)—Larkin(32)—Raymond(26)
DeBrincat(31)—Kasper(24)—MBN(23)
Buchelnikov(25)—Danielson(24)—1st Rd W(21)
Soder(27)—Finnie(23)—Mazur(25)

Edvinsson(25)—Seider(27)
1st Rd LHD (21)—ASP(23)
Gavrikov(33)—Johansson(27)
Wallinder(26)

Cossa(26), Augustine(23)

2029-30: Year 5/7
CONNOR(33)—Larkin(33)—Raymond(27)
DeBrincat(32)—Kasper(25)—MBN(24)
Buchelnikov(26)—Danielson(25)—1st Rd W(22)
Soder(28)—Finnie(24)—Mazur(26)

Edvinsson(26)—Seider(28)
1st Rd LHD (22)—ASP(24)
Gavrikov(34)—Johansson(28)
Wallinder(27)

Cossa(27), Augustine(24)

2030-31: Year 6/7
CONNOR(34)—Larkin(34)—Raymond(28)
DeBrincat(33)—Kasper(26)—MBN(25)
Buchelnikov(27)—Danielson(26)—1st Rd W(23)
Soder(29)—Finnie(25)—Mazur(27)

Edvinsson(27)—Seider(29)
1st Rd LHD (23)—ASP(25)
Gavrikov(35)—Johansson(29)
Wallinder(28)

Cossa(28), Augustine(25)

2031-32: Year 7/7
CONNOR(35)—Larkin(35)—Raymond(29)
DeBrincat(34)—Kasper(27)—MBN(26)
Buchelnikov(28)—Danielson(27)—1st Rd W(24)
Soder(30)—Finnie(26)—Mazur(28)

Edvinsson(28)—Seider(30)
1st Rd LHD (24)—ASP(26)
Gavrikov(36)—Johansson(30)
Wallinder(29)

Cossa(29), Augustine(26)

It just doesn’t seem like enough, does it?

I think defensively it’s a good enough group. Our goalie prospects of course look good.

But up front it just doesn’t seem like enough…as Larkin and Cat start to age (and Connor, if we can pull that miracle).

I think you have to blow it up. Now. You have to sell high on Larkin and Cat. Get all the 1st’s you can. Find the best vets you can to keep us from taking a step back. And that’s that

 

[SoupNazi]

Great. You have no ideas. We all got that 16 replies ago. Thanks.

I gave you my Be a GM ideas already, Prof.

 

[Pavels Dog]

It just doesn’t seem like enough, does it?

2027-28: Year 3/7
CONNOR(31)—Larkin(31)—Raymond(25)
DeBrincat(30)—Kasper(23)—MBN(22)
Buchelnikov(24)—Danielson(23)—1st Rd W(20)
Marchand(39)—Finnie(22)—Mazur(25)
Soder(26)

Edvinsson(24)—Seider(26)
Gavrikov(32)—ASP(22)
1st Rd LHD (20)—Johansson(26)
Wallinder(25)

Cossa(25), Augustine(22)

I don't know, that roster kinda looks fire?

 

[Henkka]

I was starting to think his "end of season" press conference might turn into a midsummer press conference.

Pretty much yes, because Yzerman is currently at U18 World Championships at Texas.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Pretty much yes, because Yzerman is currently at U18 World Championships at Texas.

I was waiting for someone to point this out.

It begs the question that if we take a Euro playing in this tournament, is he still a "Hakan" pick if Yzerman and all of the NA scouts watch him? Similarly does a NA pick become a Hakan pick if Hakan is watching him at this tournament?

 

[Henkka]

I was waiting for someone to point this out.

It begs the question that if we take a Euro playing in this tournament, is he still a "Hakan" pick if Yzerman and all of the NA scouts watch him? Similarly does a NA pick become a Hakan pick if Hakan is watching him at this tournament?

Quite sure Håkan has watched europeans more before. And now they could be just having the braintrust together, all giving their own feelings and views.

But for Håkan seeing North Americans first time at this tournament... maybe they¨ll listen, and add this info given for NA scouts data, but it's still small sample size, so anything Håkan says about NA picks, should not be the "god's" word.

Who does more of the basic job, sees the players most at multiple times, that where the biggest "pick credit" goes for.

 

[ElProfessor]

I don't know, that roster kinda looks fire?

I don’t think it’s SC good…. Unless Cossa or Augustine is like hall of fame good

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Quite sure Håkan has watched europeans more before. And now they could be just having the braintrust together, all giving their own feelings and views.

But for Håkan seeing North Americans first time at this tournament... maybe they¨ll listen, and add this info given for NA scouts data, but it's still small sample size, so anything Håkan says about NA picks, should not be the "god's" word.

Who does more of the basic job, sees the players most at multiple times, that where the biggest "pick credit" goes for.

Why would you think this is the first time Hakan has seen these North American players and that Draper and Yzerman haven't seen European players before this? Most of the Americans play for the NDTP. The notion of pick credit is quite simply the dumbest, most Pejorative Slured crap this board has to offer.

 

[Run the Jewels]

Why would you think this is the first time Hakan has seen these North American players and that Draper and Yzerman haven't seen European players before this? Most of the Americans play for the NDTP. The notion of pick credit is quite simply the dumbest, most Pejorative Slured crap this board has to offer.

Håkan's worked for the organization for 30 years and during his time as the head of European scouting (as the term implies, he scouts players from Europe...hope this helps) the vast majority of our best players we've drafted have come from Europe.

Not sure why this fact hurts your feelings but whatever.

 

[19 for president]

I don't know, that roster kinda looks fire?

We aren't ever going to be a team that out guns other teams. We simply didn't get the draft luck. We are going to need a team like the Bergeron Bruins, Kopitar Kings, O'Reily Blues. I think this is a really solid 2 way team.

Its a team built out from the back end. Its success would ultimately be determined by if Cossa or Augustine hit because you need the goalie to go with that D. I think that D will be a top 5 in the league and if Cossa or Augustine hit you are looking at a dominant defensive team.

I think a lot of fans have PTSD from our current D of the past 5 years and have forgotten how much a good D can transform a team both offensively and defensively. You give the forward group from last year a good D that can actually transition the puck and I think our scoring issues are a lot less of a concern. We scored like 10 goals all year in transition. We were lucky if we got 2 odd man rushes a game and they were rarely our top line players.

 

[19 for president]

Why would you think this is the first time Hakan has seen these North American players and that Draper and Yzerman haven't seen European players before this? Most of the Americans play for the NDTP. The notion of pick credit is quite simply the dumbest, most Pejorative Slured crap this board has to offer.

I think Henkka was talking live vs. probably tape. I do think there is a difference because if you are watching a broadcast they are following the puck and seeing someone in person allows you to watch their other tendencies better.

With that said I agree that in this day and age a top scout is probably see a lot more video of kids than say 20 years ago. You aren't nearly as limited to your vicinity for scouting. I would still tend to give the in person scouts a bit more credit especially for latter picks because they are advocating for the things you can't see as well in broadcasts or highlight clips. This is especially true for later round picks, where you GM/ASST GM/ Lead Scout aren't likely to see them in person at all.

I think the scouting game has even out a lot over the years and now the focus is as much if not more on development post draft.

 

[Run the Jewels]

I think a lot of fans have PTSD from our current D of the past 5 years and have forgotten how much a good D can transform a team both offensively and defensively. You give the forward group from last year a good D that can actually transition the puck and I think our scoring issues are a lot less of a concern. We scored like 10 goals all year in transition. We were lucky if we got 2 odd man rushes a game and they were rarely our top line players.

Another good comparison is the Canes, who've had some really good defensemen play over the years and it helped Ned look really good during his time with that organization. They also don't have elite scoring talent. They also went through a 9 year playoff drought but have been in the playoffs for 7 straight years and been to the Eastern Conference Finals twice.