Injury Report: How do YOU fix the Red Wings? 2.0!

OgeeOgelthorpe

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There’s a lot of justifiable frustration going around the board after the way this season ended, Larkin’s comments, Yzerman’s lack of deadline moves in 2024 and 2025 as well as lackluster offseasons. I want to discuss what YOU would do to turn this team around.

I personally feel like the top 5 forwards and top 2 defensemen of this team are a great foundation, and when they’re running on all cylinders they can hang with the best teams in the league. The problem is the complete lack of depth to back them up. The wings lost 40 GF from 23-24 to 24-25 but their GA only dropped by 14. In a word, that’s awful.

Needs I think can/will be filled internally next season:
Bottom line RW - Mazur. He’s someone I can imagine making an impact with minimal ice time. He’s a very efficient player.
2nd pair RD - ASP (his smarts jump off the screen. Pairing him with Edvinsson would be a good start.
3rd line center - Danielson. I don’t see how he could be any worse than Copp or Compher both statistically and in on-ice impact.
3rd string goalie - Cossa. I hope he comes in so hot that Yzerman is forced to send one of Mrazek or Talbot to Grand Rapids.

The unfilled needs as I see them:
Top 4 left defenseman to play with Seider. Chiarot ain’t it. Chiarot is a great #5 but not who we need playing top pair.
Top 6 left winger that can hit at least 25 goals. No more Ras/Copp/Compher/Tank on Larkin’s line.
Top 9 right winger that can hit at least 15 goals. No more Ras/Tank/Compher stinking up the joint here either.
Bottom pair right defenseman. No more Holl or Petry, please.
Bottom line LW (preferably the ultra physical type). Rasmussen ain’t it. And if Compher is pushed this far down the lineup he’s as bland as can be.

So what do I do with the 21 million in space Detroit has?

Top 4 D: If LA and Gavrikov are at an impass then I offer one of our 3rds or a 4th for the right to negotiate with him. He had a top 30 rated impact as a defenseman this season and even though he’s 29 I’m OK with throwing big money at him. Give him 6+ years, 7.5 to 8.25 mil. Before people bash this consider that he’s one of the top shutdown D in the NHL. The Kings also aren’t short space to sign him with only about 71 mil committed to next season. Adding a player like him next to Seider would be like Boston adding Lindholm next to McAvoy in terms of on-ice impact.
Backup option: Trade for Hampus Lindholm if the price is right. Maybe Cam Fowler if St. Louis wants to ship him? Top 4 D is an absolute must for this team to be successful.

Top 6 LW: Next, as much as I’d love Marner to play with Larkin and Raymond to play keep away I think there’s a good chance he ends up on the west coast. Lots of teams with lots of space. Marner on LA next to Kopitar and Kempe turns that team into a contender. Winnipeg has a ton of space left and I expect them to make it to the conference finals this year so they might be more free with their money than usual, so Ehlers probably sticks around.

So where does that leave Detroit? Definitely re-sign Kane, then make a play for one of Boeser or Marchand, or both. Maybe sign Sam Bennett or Mikael Granlund to be 2C and move Kasper to 1st line LW again until Danielson is ready? (I think that will be sooner than many of you believe) That gives the Wings some scoring oomph and flexibility. If that doesn’t work I start banging on doors and offering up picks. Kadri in Calgary? Yeah, yeah, I know. He’s old and has a few more years on his deal. He’s also still really good and has the won’t-take-shit attitude this team needs. Or maybe LA and Fiala want to part ways?

Top 9 W: I’d say sign Jack Roslovic but he seems to do half of his scoring against Detroit. He’d be a good option for flexibility. Anthony Beauvillier is still in his 20s and brings a lot of the stuff that Fabbri brought only with better defense. Can play 2nd line in a pinch and kills penalties pretty well if my memory is correct.

Bottom pair RD: Fabbro. 4 years, 4 to 4.5 mil. He’s a puck moving #4 type and can push Johansson to the 7th D spot for next year. No shade to AlJo, but if you can have a guy like Fabbro on your bottom pair then you’re doing OK. Backup options are veteran Luke Schenn (wish we could have picked him up for a 4th at the TDL…) Nick Perbix could be a value add. Rutta is low impact and won’t block a kid from a spot. Or…Cody Ceci who gets pin balled around the league?

Bottom line LW: Assuming Copp and Mazur are both healthy enough to start the year I’d like to get someone that’s ACTUALLY hard nosed to play against. Jeanott isn’t going to provide much scoring but he’s tough and hard to play against. If he gets 17-25 points then he’d be a successful signing.

Cuts to make:
Compher - There’s gotta be a taker. Nashville, NYI, San Jose, Chicago. Teams with space and low depth.
Tank - See above. With the cap floor at 71 mil next season this should make it easier to move him.
Rasmussen - It’s not a must-move, but he’s the very definition of vanilla 4th liner. I’d rather give his spot to Jeannott
Holl - Trebuchet ammo. In Grand Rapids, bought out or given away for future considerations. I don’t care.
Gus - See above.
Berggren - traded. He’s got the makings of a bad team scorer. Maybe someone out west could use him?
Petry - DO NOT RE-SIGN HIM, YZERMAN!

Jettisoning Compher, Tank, Ras, Holl and Gus is 18.45 mil. + the 21 mil in space. So in total about 40 mil in space.
My free agent signings are going to cost 8 for Gavrikov + 5.5 for Kane + 7.5 for Boeser + 3 for Jeannott + 4 for Fabbro + 3.5 for Beauvillier. 31.5 mil.
8.5 mil in space and the only significant RFAs are AlJo and Elmer.

5 needs. 5 players. If the Wings can address no less than 3 of them I think they can get into the postseason in 25-26. All 5 and they’re dangerous. It’s not going to be easy but Yzerman needs to make it happen, even if it requires “significant roster surgery.” Make it happen.

So…what do you do?
 
This thread is meant to be solution oriented. The other threads are whining oriented.

Now post your solution!
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Larkin to Vancouver for Pettersson. Re-sign Kane or another UFA RW. Sign a UFA LD. Sign a bottom pairing RD. Exile Holl to GR. Name Copp captain for now.
Copp captain? Dude wtf? I like the Petterson move if they take Holl too. Also he has a NMC and I highly doubt he waives that for Van
 
At a bare minimum, I see no reason to not trade for or sign a 4/5 defenseman who can PK and a middle six forward. Nearly all the details of my thinking are in line with the original post by @OgeeOgelthorpe .

In terms of assets to accomplish this, I honestly don't see what any draft picks will realistically do for this team going forward. Unless they do trade Larkin and/or Debrincat, they're never picking in the top ten again, so I'm never EXPECTING another draft pick to become a top half of the lineup player. (Sure, it can still happen. But I'm playing the odds that it won't and preferring to deal a few picks for current needs.) So maybe something along the lines of a 2nd and a 3rd this year for the depth defenseman, and maybe a 1st and a 2nd next year for a second line forward. Or they can attach some lesser prospects to balance it out and/or lessen the drain on the draft capital as needed.

Would I like even more? Sure. But I think that's a perfectly reasonable and attainable start...and I don't see guys like Peterka and Dobson staying unsigned long enough to offer sheet.
 
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At a bare minimum, I see no reason to not trade for or sign a 4/5 defenseman who can PK and a middle six forward. Nearly all the details of my thinking are in line with the original post by @OgeeOgelthorpe .

In terms of assets to accomplish this, I honestly don't see what any draft picks will realistically do for this team going forward. Unless they do trade Larkin and/or Debrincat, they're never picking in the top ten again, so I'm never EXPECTING another draft pick to become a top half of the lineup player. (Sure, it can still happen. But I'm playing the odds that it won't and preferring to deal a few picks for current needs.) So maybe something along the lines of a 2nd and a 3rd this year for the depth defenseman, and maybe a 1st and a 2nd next year for a second line forward. Or they can attach some lesser prospects to balance it out and/or lessen the drain on the draft capital as needed.

Would I like even more? Sure. But I think that's a perfectly reasonable and attainable start...and I don't see guys like Peterka and Dobson staying unsigned long enough to offer sheet.

A 1st alone should get a top 6 forward. Maybe Philly would move Konecny for the 12th overall? That would be huge, and Briere seems kind of dumb. It might work.

We’ve seen top 4 defensemen move for 2nd round picks as well. Like I said though, my big worry is the cap going up so quickly will make it easier for a lot of teams to run it back and keep their current players.
 
A 1st alone should get a top 6 forward. Maybe Philly would move Konecny for the 12th overall? That would be huge, and Briere seems kind of dumb. It might work.

We’ve seen top 4 defensemen move for 2nd round picks as well. Like I said though, my big worry is the cap going up so quickly will make it easier for a lot of teams to run it back and keep their current players.
Yeah, I assumed that the increasing cap, combined with some of the picks being from 2026 instead of 2025, would raise prices a bit.
 
You can’t keep it what it’s been you have to Either really take a good shot at this roster or you retool slightly. Larkin clearly disgruntled, It’s more than likely way overblown plus a mix of frustration. But if he were to be moved it could be like another poster said with Duchene in colorado, similar situation where you trade off a leadership top player. you are bad for a year and then you hit a upswing really hard from all the prospects hitting their prime.

Two options i would entertain.


Option 1

Trade off Larkin,Debrincat.

“Somewhat Realistic” More or less whatever a base around this.

Larkin- Dvorsky 2025 1st +/- 2026 1st
Debrincat- Andrew Cristall, 20251st +/- 2026 1st.

2025-2026 Season

Mazur Kasper Raymond
Danielson Compher Kane
Soderblom Dvorsky Lombardi
Rasmussen Copp Watson

Edvinsson Seider
Johansson ASP
Chiarot Holl

Talbot
Mrazek

Notable Prospects in system:
2025 1st “Aitcheson”
Buchelnikov
Cristall
Cossa
Augustine
Finnie
MBN


That team would be bottom 5 no doubt and it would be an ugly ugly year. 2026 is a STACKED draft class. Like the 2023 class where if you get a top 5 you’ll get a franchise guy. Mckenna Stenberg Bjork etc.

2026-2027

Buchelnikov Kasper Raymond
Cristall Dvorsky “Mckenna/Stenberg”
MBN Danielson Lombardi
Ras/Finnie Copp Soderblom/Mazur

Edvinsson Seider
Aitcheson ASP
Johanssons’

Cossa
Augustine

That team with a center core of 24 year old Kasper 23 Danielson and Dvorsky plus a franchise 2026 player would be incredible.

Way more talent and depth currently and that’s in 2 years plus 2-4 extra 1st round picks from the Cat/Larkin trades for a year of ass.



Option 2

Overpay for FA and make some trades and cut deadweight

12th+Berggen for Konecny
overpay UFA Bennett
overpay UFA Gavrikov
Marner would be nice but no way he’d sign here

Get rid of Tarasenko/Compher/Holl

Konecny Larkin Raymond
Debrincat Kasper Kane
Danielson Bennett Lombardi
Rasmussen Copp Mazur

Gavrikov Seider
Edvinsson Johansson
Chiarot ASP

Cossa/Mrazek/Talbot

Better team in the short term but long term option 1 would be my preference by far
 
Before any roster moves, Yzerman has to stop saying he doesn't view the playoffs as a goal, even Verbeek in Ana says he expects playoffs. If you as a player hear your GM saying he doesn't care about the playoffs then why would you be confident in your team?
 
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I would just tread water and see what Cossa Mazur Danielson ASP look like next year. I honestly can't underscore how much the team would improve if even just 2 of those guys have a good season. Once you know what you got from these younger players next off season we go all in.
 
Just trade all of our best players for players that are having worse problems on there current team.

Thank God Yzerman has patience and doesn't think like most of this board lol
 
So…what do you do?

There’s a lot of justifiable frustration going around the board after the way this season ended, Larkin’s comments, Yzerman’s lack of deadline moves in 2024 and 2025 as well as lackluster offseasons. I want to discuss what YOU would do to turn this team around.

I personally feel like the top 5 forwards and top 2 defensemen of this team are a great foundation, and when they’re running on all cylinders they can hang with the best teams in the league. The problem is the complete lack of depth to back them up. The wings lost 40 GF from 23-24 to 24-25 but their GA only dropped by 14. In a word, that’s awful.

Needs I think can/will be filled internally next season:
Bottom line RW - Mazur. He’s someone I can imagine making an impact with minimal ice time. He’s a very efficient player.
2nd pair RD - ASP (his smarts jump off the screen. Pairing him with Edvinsson would be a good start.
3rd line center - Danielson. I don’t see how he could be any worse than Copp or Compher both statistically and in on-ice impact.
3rd string goalie - Cossa. I hope he comes in so hot that Yzerman is forced to send one of Mrazek or Talbot to Grand Rapids.

The unfilled needs as I see them:
Top 4 left defenseman to play with Seider. Chiarot ain’t it. Chiarot is a great #5 but not who we need playing top pair.
Top 6 left winger that can hit at least 25 goals. No more Ras/Copp/Compher/Tank on Larkin’s line.
Top 9 right winger that can hit at least 15 goals. No more Ras/Tank/Compher stinking up the joint here either.
Bottom pair right defenseman. No more Holl or Petry, please.
Bottom line LW (preferably the ultra physical type). Rasmussen ain’t it. And if Compher is pushed this far down the lineup he’s as bland as can be.

So what do I do with the 21 million in space Detroit has?

Top 4 D: If LA and Gavrikov are at an impass then I offer one of our 3rds or a 4th for the right to negotiate with him. He had a top 30 rated impact as a defenseman this season and even though he’s 29 I’m OK with throwing big money at him. Give him 6+ years, 7.5 to 8.25 mil. Before people bash this consider that he’s one of the top shutdown D in the NHL. The Kings also aren’t short space to sign him with only about 71 mil committed to next season. Adding a player like him next to Seider would be like Boston adding Lindholm next to McAvoy in terms of on-ice impact.
Backup option: Trade for Hampus Lindholm if the price is right. Maybe Cam Fowler if St. Louis wants to ship him? Top 4 D is an absolute must for this team to be successful.

Top 6 LW: Next, as much as I’d love Marner to play with Larkin and Raymond to play keep away I think there’s a good chance he ends up on the west coast. Lots of teams with lots of space. Marner on LA next to Kopitar and Kempe turns that team into a contender. Winnipeg has a ton of space left and I expect them to make it to the conference finals this year so they might be more free with their money than usual, so Ehlers probably sticks around.

So where does that leave Detroit? Definitely re-sign Kane, then make a play for one of Boeser or Marchand, or both. Maybe sign Sam Bennett or Mikael Granlund to be 2C and move Kasper to 1st line LW again until Danielson is ready? (I think that will be sooner than many of you believe) That gives the Wings some scoring oomph and flexibility. If that doesn’t work I start banging on doors and offering up picks. Kadri in Calgary? Yeah, yeah, I know. He’s old and has a few more years on his deal. He’s also still really good and has the won’t-take-shit attitude this team needs. Or maybe LA and Fiala want to part ways?

Top 9 W: I’d say sign Jack Roslovic but he seems to do half of his scoring against Detroit. He’d be a good option for flexibility. Anthony Beauvillier is still in his 20s and brings a lot of the stuff that Fabbri brought only with better defense. Can play 2nd line in a pinch and kills penalties pretty well if my memory is correct.

Bottom pair RD: Fabbro. 4 years, 4 to 4.5 mil. He’s a puck moving #4 type and can push Johansson to the 7th D spot for next year. No shade to AlJo, but if you can have a guy like Fabbro on your bottom pair then you’re doing OK. Backup options are veteran Luke Schenn (wish we could have picked him up for a 4th at the TDL…) Nick Perbix could be a value add. Rutta is low impact and won’t block a kid from a spot. Or…Cody Ceci who gets pin balled around the league?

Bottom line LW: Assuming Copp and Mazur are both healthy enough to start the year I’d like to get someone that’s ACTUALLY hard nosed to play against. Jeanott isn’t going to provide much scoring but he’s tough and hard to play against. If he gets 17-25 points then he’d be a successful signing.

Cuts to make:
Compher - There’s gotta be a taker. Nashville, NYI, San Jose, Chicago. Teams with space and low depth.
Tank - See above. With the cap floor at 71 mil next season this should make it easier to move him.
Rasmussen - It’s not a must-move, but he’s the very definition of vanilla 4th liner. I’d rather give his spot to Jeannott
Holl - Trebuchet ammo. In Grand Rapids, bought out or given away for future considerations. I don’t care.
Gus - See above.
Berggren - traded. He’s got the makings of a bad team scorer. Maybe someone out west could use him?
Petry - DO NOT RE-SIGN HIM, YZERMAN!

Jettisoning Compher, Tank, Ras, Holl and Gus is 18.45 mil. + the 21 mil in space. So in total about 40 mil in space.
My free agent signings are going to cost 8 for Gavrikov + 5.5 for Kane + 7.5 for Boeser + 3 for Jeannott + 4 for Fabbro + 3.5 for Beauvillier. 31.5 mil.
8.5 mil in space and the only significant RFAs are AlJo and Elmer.

5 needs. 5 players. If the Wings can address no less than 3 of them I think they can get into the postseason in 25-26. All 5 and they’re dangerous. It’s not going to be easy but Yzerman needs to make it happen, even if it requires “significant roster surgery.” Make it happen.

So…what do you do?
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If I were the GM of the Detroit Red Wings, I'd focus on addressing the team's weaknesses while building on their strengths. Here's my game plan:

1. **Improve the Penalty Kill**: Detroit's penalty kill was historically bad this season, ranking near the bottom of the league. I'd prioritize signing or trading for defensive-minded forwards and reliable penalty-killing defensemen to shore up this area.

2. **Add Secondary Scoring**: While top players like Dylan Larkin and Alex DeBrincat performed well, the team lacked depth scoring. I'd target affordable free agents or trade candidates who can contribute offensively in the middle-six forward group.

3. **Explore Bold Moves**: There are rumors that Detroit might pursue high-impact players like Mitch Marner if he becomes available. Acquiring a star winger could elevate the team's offense significantly, though it would require careful cap management.

4. **Revamp the Blue Line**: The Red Wings may consider parting ways with underperforming defensemen like Justin Holl. I'd look for upgrades on defense, focusing on players who can contribute both offensively and defensively.

5. **Retain Key Players**: Patrick Kane has been a valuable asset despite his age. If the price is right, I'd aim to re-sign him to maintain veteran leadership and offensive production.

6. **Cap Space Management**: With over $22 million in cap space, I'd carefully allocate funds to ensure the team can address multiple needs without compromising future flexibility.

7. **Develop Young Talent**: Players like Lucas Raymond, Moritz Seider, and Marco Kasper are the future of the franchise. I'd ensure they have the support and opportunities to continue their development.
 
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Very easily.

1) Trade Larkin and DeBrincat for two 1st Rd picks each.

2) Overpay to sign Duchene, Tavares, Marchand and Orlov all to 3yr deals (and Kane to a 2yr deal) so we don’t take a step back.

Next yr..

Tavares-Duchene-Raymond
Marchand-Kasper-Kane
Soder-Danielson-Mazur
Ras-Copp-Compher

Edvinsson-Seider
Orlov-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson

Mrazek, Talbot

*****Progresses to…*****

25 1st-Kasper-Raymond
26 1st-Danielson-MBN
Buchelnikov-25 1st-26 1st
Soder-Finnie-Mazur

Edvinsson-Seider
25 1st-ASP
Johansson-26 1st

Cossa, Augustine
 
Very easily.

1) Trade Larkin and DeBrincat for two 1st Rd picks each.

2) Overpay to sign Duchene, Tavares, Marchand and Orlov all to 3yr deals (and Kane to a 2yr deal) so we don’t take a step back.

Next yr..

Tavares-Duchene-Raymond
Marchand-Kasper-Kane
Soder-Danielson-Mazur
Ras-Copp-Compher

Edvinsson-Seider
Orlov-ASP
Chiarot-Johansson

Mrazek, Talbot

*****Progresses to…*****

25 1st-Kasper-Raymond
26 1st-Danielson-MBN
Buchelnikov-25 1st-26 1st
Soder-Finnie-Mazur

Edvinsson-Seider
25 1st-ASP
Johansson-26 1st

Cossa, Augustine
If you perform Step 1, none of those players in Step 2 will take your money. Then the kids will regularly get their teeth kicked in, the team will be bottom 5, and there will be absolutely no point in watching for at least another 2-3 years.

And then Detroit will get screwed in the lottery once again, and they'll have nothing to show for all that mess.
 
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