How did Vegas get the reputation of being the establishment?

[byrath]

Thankfully they don't wear the gold helmets anymore.

Really? Glad to hear that. Do the Kings still use their silver ones?

 

[hangman005]

Really? Glad to hear that. Do the Kings still use their silver ones?

I don't believe so, so I wonder if the league quietly banned them... which ruins my chance for a Chrome Dome Bowl.

 

[Kranix]

I don't believe so, so I wonder if the league quietly banned them... which ruins my chance for a Chrome Dome Bowl.

I wonder if the league would loudly ban the hurricanes from wearing black helmets with their white unis

 

[GeeoffBrown]

Vegas is just really aggressive with player transactions and bending the CBA to their advantage

 

[snag]

For me, it isn't the immediate success as much as it is the arrogance of a fanbase that has never had to experience having a perennial shit team and actually sticking with them.

I wanna see what would happens if they were a bottom feeder for 5 years.

The way they treat their castoffs doesn't bother me either....as that's business. However, I guess you could argue that too about the other thing that pisses me off in regard to the bending the rules.

 

[Gabrielor]

I feel like the hate this team gets is unwarranted.

As a Sabres fan, forget the Eichel stuff.

They came into the league in 2017, and have only missed the playoffs once, went to 2 cup finals, and won one.

Meanwhile, Seattle is off to the side taking the more traditional expansion team path.

I loathe how easily success came to them while my own franchise can't even muster up getting swept in round 1.

Their fans have quite literally known nothing but the highest success.

 

[jfhabs]

Favorable expansion rules, attracted big UFAs like Pietrangelo, questionable player management (Fleury), cap circumvention (Stone), early and continuous success.

From a Habs POV, that Vegas series, Chris Lee had a Vegas sweater under his stripes... but we ended up beating them both.

 

[Oilslick941611]

They started really good out of nowhere when they shouldn't have been, then got even better, won a Cup quickly, pulled a bunch of cap shenanigans, showed no loyalty, etc.

to be fair, they had a massacre for the team and city to rally around their first year.


but the answer the question, its the LTIR shit they pulled.

 

[BMOK33]

Vegas is just really aggressive with player transactions and bending the CBA to their advantage

I'm more surprised than anything guys wanna play there. I felt the guys with families would be somewhat reluctant to go there, especially smaller town players who are not from big cities or metros thinking it would not be the best place to raise kids

 

[BMOK33]

For me, it isn't the immediate success as much as it is the arrogance of a fanbase that has never had to experience having a perennial shit team and actually sticking with them.

I wanna see what would happens if they were a bottom feeder for 5 years.

The way they treat their castoffs doesn't bother me either....as that's business. However, I guess you could argue that too about the other thing that pisses me off in regard to the bending the rules.

Most NHL cities won't draw when the team sucks. BOS/NYR//CHI/DET/COL/CAR have had empty arenas in the periods when their teams have been bad. Its not like the NFL where unless its JAX/MIA the place will be totally full even if the team is 3-14.

 

[ChanceVegas]

My favorite part of the playoffs is the "why is Vegas so hated threads." It's become quite the tradition.

I'm more surprised than anything guys wanna play there. I felt the guys with families would be somewhat reluctant to go there, especially smaller town players who are not from big cities or metros thinking it would not be the best place to raise kids

Vegas is definitely a big city, but where the players practice and most of them live (Summerlin) is definitely a luxurious high-end neighborhood with lots of family amenities that make it so you don't really need to travel out of that area. But I definitely see your point about players from small towns, however most NHL teams are in pretty sizable metro areas so they have to make that adjustment at some point.

 

[3074326]

Suffering from success

Take away their success and nobody would care about any of their "shenanigans"

I have no issues with their cap usage. Did they violate the CBA? No? Ok then.

As far as player loyalty goes.... they drafted a bunch of leftovers and got them a cup. Not shedding any tears over here.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

I'm more surprised than anything guys wanna play there. I felt the guys with families would be somewhat reluctant to go there, especially smaller town players who are not from big cities or metros thinking it would not be the best place to raise kids

Vegas is like most other major cities, which is that the suburbs are nice and the inner city (and The Strip) is not so hot .... but the locals rarely go there unless they work there.

A lot of folks who grew up in small towns (including me) tend to love Vegas precisely because it is so different than wherever they grew up.

But, because Vegas has so many other celebrities of all types in the community -- and the locals tend to ignore them all -- the Knights individually don't draw that much attention and can live relatively normal lives.

The Vegas organization is also well known by players for taking very good care of them while they are here, i.e., they don't have a "cheap owner" who penny-pinches on amenities. By contrast, I've heard that the Vegas organization essentially offers players a concierge service that arranges tickets to shows, dinner reservations, etc., although from what we can tell the team spends nearly all their spare time playing golf together and during the regular season hockey is a major annoyance to them.

 

[archangel2]

Immediate success

Pretty much this. At some point in time players will get tired with being treated like say old bread and realize that Vegas will cut bait with them quickly. But a lot of the credit goes to how they have used LTIR and we know full well that both teams in the final, a good long look at if the 20 starting will be under the cap.

 

[Foppberg]

How do you think? Being great from the get go and cheating their way to a cup.

 

[Kranix]

and the edmonton oilers were effectively an expansion team that were offered the only crack, really, at poaching wayne gretzky from a sinking WHA franchise, operating outside of NHL rules, and so joined the league with the greatest player of all time. And people are crying that Vegas was able to draft slightly better castoffs than Nashville and Minnesota.

 

[Kranix]

For me, it isn't the immediate success as much as it is the arrogance of a fanbase that has never had to experience having a perennial shit team and actually sticking with them.

I wanna see what would happens if they were a bottom feeder for 5 years.

The way they treat their castoffs doesn't bother me either....as that's business. However, I guess you could argue that too about the other thing that pisses me off in regard to the bending the rules.

It's all cyclical, so they will have the bottom-out years. And it'll be fine. So who cares

 

[kingsholygrail]

Tell that to Kraken fans.

Vegas got so busted off of manipulating the expansion rules to their advantage that GMs got extra stingy with Seattle.

 

[Kranix]

Vegas got so busted off of manipulating the expansion rules to their advantage that GMs got extra stingy with Seattle.

Francis played himself, though, if the rumors are true. He's not very aggressive, and to tell the other gms he'd only accept at minimum 1st round picks to take unwanted players was wrongheaded

 

[kingsholygrail]

Francis played himself, though, if the rumors are true. He's not very aggressive, and to tell the other gms he'd only accept at minimum 1st round picks to take unwanted players was wrongheaded

That factors in as well for sure. Vegas played everything right.

 

[ChanceVegas]

That factors in as well for sure. Vegas played everything right.

Vegas kind of messed with the expectations for Seattle too. Vegas went in knowing that they were very likely putting together a bad team and just trying to get the most out of every move. I think they ended up getting much more than they had planned. Then Seattle became a bit hamstrung by expectations based on all Vegas had gotten, while the GM's on the other side realized they gave Vegas too much. It was just an issue of timing with Vegas being the first "at bat" so to speak. If the roles were reversed, we may be talking about why Seattle is so "hated" right now.

 

[The Professional]

Because they are a gimmick franchise for which the league changed the expansion draft rules to make them competitive right away, which is something other expansion franchises like Ottawa, TB, SJ, etc didn't get. Then, they were allowed to get away with cap circumvention for years. They're definitely the league's pet project, the one that the Establishment can point to and say "Look, the first major sports franchise in Vegas is a success!"

 

[Curufinwe]

to be fair, they had a massacre for the team and city to rally around their first year.


but the answer the question, its the LTIR shit they pulled.

You mean the same thing you guys are doing with Kane. And Chicago did a decade ago with the other Kane.

 

[Curufinwe]

Because they are a gimmick franchise for which the league changed the expansion draft rules to make them competitive right away

Seattle hasn't been competitive outside of one fluke PDO year, and they got the same rules.

 

[Oilslick941611]

You mean the same thing you guys are doing with Kane. And Chicago did a decade ago with the other Kane.

correct and the oilers are getting a lot of hate here for it.

however, Kane hasn't played yet, big difference. We'll see if Kane suits up for game 2, but yes, LTIR shit sucks and kills the spirit of the game. I believe if you dont play in game in 82 or are on the active roster for game 82 you should be ineligible for the playoffs, unless you are on an ELC or added to the roster after the AHL finishes the season. i dont care if its Evander Kane, Mark Stone or Kucherov. Saying my team is doing it isnt the gotcha you think it is, especially since i dont even want Kane on my team at all.