How aggressive should the Leafs be at the deadline? New Poll Option Added

[seanlinden]

I don’t disagree but who else would you play there ?

Back to my original post... I think they shopping list is 3 players long.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

There’s too many holes to cover and we can ill afford throwing away futures that don’t have medium to long term positive impact on the team. You get a building block, outer core guy who can grow, that would be an acceptable add. You add a bandaid that walks in July, we suddenly have less assets for 2026 and beyond.

That's the thing there aren't that many holes to fill.

There is a 3rd line center, a middle 6 winger and a depth D man.

On the surface that does sound like a lot but you already have that middle 6 winger his name is Max Domi.

What you need is the 3rd line center which will allow Max to move full time to the wing where he should be and always should have been.

ROR would be perfect.

And a depth D can obviously range in price.

So really you need a 3rd line center and a depth D

 

[Ports]

Back to my original post... I think they shopping list is 3 players long.

That’s fine but with so little trade capital it will be hard to pick up three impactful players. The players the Leafs have to trade are not highly valued. What are you suggesting they can give up to acquire three good players.

 

[Ports]

Yes, he can drive his own line, probably better than anyone else on the team, but he's still the leading goal scorer on the team, and it seems silly to have him on the third line.

I wouldn’t consider it like a normal the third line. He will get a lot of ozone starts, PP time and some time with Matthews or Tavares. He’ll probably be moved around a bit and still play 20 minutes a night. Depth scoring is a real issue for this team and they’ve shown to be too easy to shutdown in the playoffs which is what really counts more than individual scoring stats.

 

[seanlinden]

That’s fine but with so little trade capital it will be hard to pick up three impactful players. The players the Leafs have to trade are not highly valued. What are you suggesting they can give up to acquire three good players.

I don't know how they're going to acquire 1... nevermind 3.

From a cap space perspective, they've basically got Jani Hakanpaa's $1.47m. They don't even have enough space to bring Jarnkrok off LTIR if he is indeed going to play.

Unless somebody like Tavares is going to go on LTIR from the deadline to the playoffs, they don't seem to have a way.

 

[Ports]

I don't know how they're going to acquire 1... nevermind 3.

From a cap space perspective, they've basically got Jani Hakanpaa's $1.47m. They don't even have enough space to bring Jarnkrok off LTIR if he is indeed going to play.

Unless somebody like Tavares is going to go on LTIR from the deadline to the playoffs, they don't seem to have a way.

They’d have to put players on waivers and send them to the Marlies or move money out and get trading partners to eat AAV coming back. A lot of things have to right for them to make it happen.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Thoughts??

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Losing Fraser Minten would suck but because ROR has term I'd do it.

I don't know how they're going to acquire 1... nevermind 3.

From a cap space perspective, they've basically got Jani Hakanpaa's $1.47m. They don't even have enough space to bring Jarnkrok off LTIR if he is indeed going to play.

Unless somebody like Tavares is going to go on LTIR from the deadline to the playoffs, they don't seem to have a way.

If Brandon Priniham has taught us anything it's that there is ALWAYS a way

 

[Atomos2]

Treliving needs to grow a backbone

 

[Evilhomer]

Losing Fraser Minten would suck but because ROR has term I'd do it.



If Brandon Priniham has taught us anything it's that there is ALWAYS a way

Every year people moan about the cap, and then every year the leafs acquire players. This season will be no different.

 

[LeafEgo]

Yes, he can drive his own line, probably better than anyone else on the team, but he's still the leading goal scorer on the team, and it seems silly to have him on the third line.

One in five goals for the Leafs are Willys.

#WillyMustBeStopped

 

[notDatsyuk]

One in five goals for the Leafs are Willys.

#WillyMustBeStopped

We can't have him upstaging the good players!

 

[LeafEgo]

We can't have him upstaging the good players!

We are dangerously close to uprooting the country club and the situation is simply spiraling out of control. While Willy on the third line with Kampf or Holmberg is well intentioned, it's likely just a stepping stone.

Be complacent at your own peril.

 

[ULF_55]

Yes, he can drive his own line, probably better than anyone else on the team, but he's still the leading goal scorer on the team, and it seems silly to have him on the third line.

Knies-Matthews-Domi -- 20 minutes a night
Pacioretty - Tavares - marner -- 20 minutes a night
McMann-Schenn-Nylander - 20 minutes a night
Lorentz-Holmberg - PK ...

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Knies-Matthews-Domi -- 20 minutes a night
Pacioretty - Tavares - marner -- 20 minutes a night
McMann-Schenn-Nylander - 20 minutes a night
Lorentz-Holmberg - PK ...

Holmberg has to go he doesn't do anything

 

[Nineteen67]

Every year people moan about the cap, and then every year the leafs acquire players. This season will be no different.

The cap tends to hinder who they can acquire, though.

 

[thusk]

We are dangerously close to uprooting the country club and the situation is simply spiraling out of control. While Willy on the third line with Kampf or Holmberg is well intentioned, it's likely just a stepping stone.

Be complacent at your own peril.

Just fan consider line like L1, L2, L3, L4

you can create 3 line an you can say Nylander is L1 2 or 3, that's doesn't matter but all of Nylander matthews and marner can drive their own line and in a team who need more balanced from where their production coming from.

Knies-Matthews and Domi looking great together so for me its should be one of those line.

X-X-Nylander
X-X-Marner

Still have tavares, mcmann, pacioretty/ robertson to fit in.

If Leafs is able to bring a C, the best case scenario for me would be oreilly.
I would really like to see a shutdown line with Ror-Marner

Knies-Matthews-Domi
Pacioretty /Mcmann-JT-Nylander
Mcmann/Pacioretty-O'reilly-Marner

Look like basically 3 1st line pretty hard to handle to any team

All of Matthews-Nylander and marner will have their time, maybe minimze their ice time but get them fresher and playing with higher intensity on the ice.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Leafs had amazing centrr depth and dibas trades kadri what a moron

 

[notDatsyuk]

Knies-Matthews-Domi -- 20 minutes a night
Pacioretty - Tavares - marner -- 20 minutes a night
McMann-Schenn-Nylander - 20 minutes a night
Lorentz-Holmberg - PK ...

So not on the third line but three first lines with him getting a fictional C?

The funny part is that with those three lines his could well end up being the most productive.

 

[Leafsfan74]

Cozens and Schenn would basically be a HR this deadline but a fairly difficult trade to pull off and they'd have to unload Domi and another at minimum. With this core and this cap, they aren't winning anything come playoffs regardless. I might be more optimistic if I am objective, but I have seen this movie for nearly a decade so I know the ending.

The one wildcard they have is their goaltending tandem. Stolarz in particularly has an blank check opportunity and both of them are going to get playing time. A deep run means a deep pocket to fill with cash from your new found contract.

 

[NVious]

Cozens and Schenn would basically be a HR this deadline but a fairly difficult trade to pull off and they'd have to unload Domi and another at minimum. With this core and this cap, they aren't winning anything come playoffs regardless. I might be more optimistic if I am objective, but I have seen this movie for nearly a decade so I know the ending.

The one wildcard they have is their goaltending tandem. Stolarz in particularly has an blank check opportunity and both of them are going to get playing time. A deep run means a deep pocket to fill with cash from your new found contract.

This core is one of the most talented in the NHL, if this core can't win and a GM truly believed that trade them all and rebuild.

In the past 5 years we have the #1 goal scorer, #11 goal scorer, #7 point getter, #9 point getter, #14 point getter.

As great as Knies is, if he reaches the level of Nylander that would be an extreme success, forget Matthews or Marner. Minten and Cowan are still working towards being NHL players, forget about being good ones. This is as good as the core is going to be and basically as realistic as a shot as this team can have at a cup without rebuilding and insane luck again.

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

For the right piece(s), Minten and Cowen can go. The Leafs are getting solid goaltending and have a formidable shutdown pair in Caber and Tanev. A RD and scoring depth would go a loong way in ending the drought. This is the year.

 

[Leafsfan74]

This core is one of the most talented in the NHL, if this core can't win and a GM truly believed that trade them all and rebuild.

In the past 5 years we have the #1 goal scorer, #11 goal scorer, #7 point getter, #9 point getter, #14 point getter.

As great as Knies is, if he reaches the level of Nylander that would be an extreme success, forget Matthews or Marner. Minten and Cowan are still working towards being NHL players, forget about being good ones. This is as good as the core is going to be and basically as realistic as a shot as this team can have at a cup without rebuilding and insane luck again.

Since the core have been together (well JT arrived later)

 

[notDatsyuk]

This core is one of the most talented in the NHL, if this core can't win and a GM truly believed that trade them all and rebuild.

In the past 5 years we have the #1 goal scorer, #11 goal scorer, #7 point getter, #9 point getter, #14 point getter.

As great as Knies is, if he reaches the level of Nylander that would be an extreme success, forget Matthews or Marner. Minten and Cowan are still working towards being NHL players, forget about being good ones. This is as good as the core is going to be and basically as realistic as a shot as this team can have at a cup without rebuilding and insane luck again.

The problem is that in the playoffs those same players, even on a ppg basis, go from 7th, 9th, and 11th to (in the same order) 30th, 23rd, and 24th.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Minten or Cowan for a guy like Cozens I’d do. Not for Brayden Schenn though I would love to acquire him at the right cost.

On D I’d consider trading Minten or Cowan for Andersson from Calgary.

 

[NVious]

The problem is that in the playoffs those same players, even on a ppg basis, go from 7th, 9th, and 11th to (in the same order) 30th, 23rd, and 24th.

I agree, but if you think they're never going to perform in the playoffs, cut bail and trade them all for massive hauls. Realistically, this is about as good (on paper) of a core as one can expect in Toronto. Any players acquired in the next 2 drafts are probably at best 4+ years from being an impact player and that is a best case scenario which with how late we're drafting probably happens 10% of the time AT BEST (when our core will be nearing mid 30s)

The next 2-4 years are in all honestly and likelihood the best and last chance for them