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I watch horror throughout the year, but certainly dedicate most of my time to it in October. Started the month with Corman's The Masque of the Red Death and Kobayashi's Kwaidan, a pair of movies that will make you fall in love with your hi-def color TV all over again.

Was introduced to the work of Mexican horror director Ruben Gallindo earlier this year and have found him to be a reliable good time. Watched Grave Robbers, which has a couple of good Freddy-inspired kills among its joys.

I also scatter in old episodes of the always a good time Tales from the Crypt. This year I'm on to season 4 which opened with a Tom Hanks directed (and co-staring) story staring Treat Williams (RIP) as a man who marries and murders rich women (spoiler: it doesn't work out for him in the end). Also, you get to see Tom Hanks have his head smashed into a TV. Who knew!?!?!
 

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"It doesn't work out for him in the end" isn't really a spoiler for a Tales From the Crypt episode. It's practically the formula. :laugh:

I loved that show. It's a real shame that it's still not in HD. I don't know what HBO is doing. They seem to have no interest in restoring most of their shows and programs from the 80s and 90s. They just ignore everything that they made prior to The Sopranos. I'd consider a Max subscription if I could go back and watch some of their earlier programming that I remember from my youth (Tales From the Crypt, The Hitchhiker, Dream On, documentaries like When It Was a Game and so on).
 

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Anybody in these parts seen Talk to Me yet? Pretty nifty little horror movie.
Yep. Clever conceit and execution. A couple truly brutal moments of violence in it.

"It doesn't work out for him in the end" isn't really a spoiler for a Tales From the Crypt episode. It's practically the formula. :laugh:

I loved that show. It's a real shame that it's still not in HD. I don't know what HBO is doing. They seem to have no interest in restoring most of their shows and programs from the 80s and 90s. They just ignore everything that they made prior to The Sopranos. I'd consider a Max subscription if I could go back and watch some of their earlier programming that I remember from my youth (Tales From the Crypt, The Hitchhiker, Dream On, documentaries like When It Was a Game and so on).
Beyond the inherent joys, as a movie/pop culture fan it's interesting to revisit them for oddities like a Tom Hanks directed episode. Not only do many episodes have a fair amount of before-they-were famous actors (a young Brad Pitt pops up this season), but it was a nice playground for both established and novice writers and directors.
 

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Anybody in these parts seen Talk to Me yet? Pretty nifty little horror movie.
I've been saving it for October. I'll talk to you once I watch it.
Beyond the inherent joys, as a movie/pop culture fan it's interesting to revisit them for oddities like a Tom Hanks directed episode. Not only do many episodes have a fair amount of before-they-were famous actors (a young Brad Pitt pops up this season), but it was a nice playground for both established and novice writers and directors.
Yep, the guest stars/directors were part of the fun, especially since it was rarer back then for people in movies to do TV.

I remember young me geeking out that Arnold Schwarzenegger directed an episode and appeared in the intro:



I imagine that he also had input on casting, since the episode stars one of his victims in The Terminator (Rick Rossovich) and his love interest in Twins (Kelly Preston).
 
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Bloody Pit of Horror (1965) - 6/10

Models and a camera crew break into a seemingly abandoned castle to do a sexy photoshoot, only to be tortured by a lunatic muscleman in tights who calls himself the Crimson Executioner. No one makes "horror" quite like the Italians. Nothing about this film is scary, but the dubbed dialogue is certainly horrific and the antagonist might make some men uncomfortable. The first half is rather slow and uneventful, but it picks up once the killing starts and we get lines of dialogue like "at this point, there's only one explanation... deliberate murder" (which probably made more sense in Italian). It gets better once the Crimson Executioner appears, looking much more like a Mexican wrestler than any executioner that I've ever seen. At one point, he declares "mankind is made up of inferior creatures... who would have corrupted the harmony of my perfect body" before rubbing oil on his pecs. You'd think that he was planning to join the photoshoot, not murder everyone involved. He talks about his "perfect body" a lot. He seems to really love himself and his job and proves it by laughing, grinning and gleefully saying lines like "the Crimson Executioner cries out for blood!" while torturing his victims. Mickey Hargitay (father of Mariska Hargitay, who I'm guessing didn't see this before choosing to follow him into acting) gives a performance that's completely over the top and memorable. He really is the worst and best part of the film. It's too bad that there isn't more of him because I laughed whenever he was on screen. As trashy as this early "torture porn" probably was for the 60s, it's relatively tame by later standards, with only traces of blood and nudity. It's mostly just good for a laugh, which I'm guessing wasn't the filmmakers' intent. It's really bad, but so bad that it was rather entertaining, especially the second half. It's free on Tubi and Plex if you can handle the horror.
 
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Blood Diner (Kong, 1987) – I guess that if you don't know what you're getting into, this film must be all kinds of dumb trash, and might appeal as a 'so bad it's good' kind of crowd. As an homage to (or a parody of) Herschell Gordon Lewis's films, it's still kind of off, but you better understand what they were aiming for. It's a horror comedy, with a fun tone even though most of the jokes fall flat. It's over-the-top enough to be original, but what's certainly most surprising about it is that it was directed by a woman. If you don't enjoy fun cannibalism, with a side of gratuitous nudity, this might not be the movie you're looking for. As a z-movie, I still like it quite a bit. 4/10
 
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I just looked that up on IMDb. Have you read the top user review? :laugh:
I played a zombie in BLOOD DINER and believe me when I tell you, it was such a bizarre and sickening experience that I plan to devote an entire chapter to the nightmare in my memoirs. I have worked on a lot of films, and I mean a LOT, and I can say with all confidence that the depravity of the project, inhuman working conditions and incompetence of the production have been unequaled, and will be fresh in my mind if I die of Alzheimer's disease at the age of 300.

So many people walked off the set in the middle of production, that they ended up hiring homeless people and crackheads off the streets of Hollywood to fill in the ranks. They probably even gave some of them lines. Half of the female cast were literally called into casting on the basis of spreads in JUGGS magazine. The writer, who later became a good friend of mine (before I knew he had written the thing), had played Mengele in SURF Nazis MUST DIE (one of my favorite, and the most depraved of all Troma films).

Jimmy Maslon, the producer, has a reputation as one of the cheapest and most thoughtless coke-head producers in Hollywood (he forgot to feed the zombies on so many occasions, that to keep the rest of us from walking off one day, he ran to the store and bought us some generic white bread and baloney, from which we made our own sandwiches).

And don't get me started about Jackie Kong. "The Dragon Lady," as she was known to all who worked with her, will have a special mention in the book.

Suffice to say, that she once spent six hours on a 2 minute dialogue scene, while her zombies were sitting around in cheap gel make-up, which had completely melted off our faces by the time we got around to our scenes.

All that said, it actually is a pretty funny movie. I don't think any of the actors realized it was going to be though. In fact, I don't think anybody did but the zombies, who were all wasted on weed and CLUB margaritas the whole time -hic- ;-)
 

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Thirst (2009) (subtitles)
3.10 out of 4stars

“A Catholic priest turns into a vampire as a result from a failed medical experiment, and falls in love with the wife of his childhood friend, while he questions his faith and life.”
A great vampire horror about faith, shame, freedom, temperance, and sexual morality (or even morality overall). From the stylish director of Oldboy, Park Chan-wook, comes a very bloody, very sexual, sometimes graphic, and very darkly comedic, existentially themed film. A wild combo that sounds as weird and crazy as the film actually is. The existential commentary is noteworthy. Religion is shown, specifically for Catholic priests, to be a faith challenging and grim lifestyle of servitude and self-discipline, where one constantly learns of and first hand experiences the human sufferings that occur in life while dealing with personal shame. Insert vampirism and human sexuality, with the main connection between them here is that both are natural (“human”) instincts/urges, which in and of themselves should not be condemned or seen as sinful by religion or society. Both vampirism and sexuality here are seen to be freedoms and forms of self-expression, as well as love or even acceptance at certain times. From this, one’s truer colors become clearer and our 2 main characters exhibit different opinions on this. Without spoiling anything, one witnesses character arcs that bring up thoughts on selfishness/servitude, manipulation/support, excess/moderation, animalistic/civility, amorality/ethics, freedom/repression, enthusiasm/shame, impulsivity-self-expression/self-control, peace-indifference/fear-guilt, upbringing/life-experiences, and trauma. A very interesting take on the vampire theme.

28 Weeks Later (2007)
2.90 out of 4stars

“Six months after the rage virus was inflicted on the population of Great Britain, the US Army helps to secure a small area of London for the survivors to repopulate and start again. But not everything goes according to plan.”
A great zombie horror that delivers everything you could realistically hope for in a modern-aged zombie movie. A bit different than its predecessor 28 Days Later, with twice the budget, faster pacing, more zombie action, more tension, and less character development while taking place at a deeper time into the zombie pandemic. Essentially “Hollywood-ized”, but it has enough brains too. Starts with a bang, slows down for a bit to give ample background while introducing/extending more characters than it knows how to fully handle, and then the last half of the film is a non-stop thrill ride with few and far between breaks. On the characters portion, Robert Carlyle is the standout and grossly underutilized and the only one that shows real depth here, but everyone is decent. As for the last half, it delivers all the zombie-related mayhem you could want with some creativity and memorable imagery. It’s all very well shot and directed with great visual style, even if a little of the action is too erratic/discernable. Apparently a criticism or metaphor for the United States’ military involvement in the Middle East regarding terrorism, which works quite well within the film.

Seven Blood-Stained Orchids (1972)
2.80 out of 4stars

“A woman, targeted by the so-called "Half-Moon Killer", and her husband hunt for the serial murderer as they look for connections between herself and the six other victims/targets.”
A great giallo horror that is intricately written, mysterious, and suspenseful. The thorough journey-filled investigation is full of twists and turns as it crosses paths with a good amount of different characters, while being the main focus of the film. More controlled and less zany than many of its contemporaries, but nonetheless effective and appropriately stylish. A lot of the investigation and film is spent with Antonio Sabato, who is passable but a bit dry and may turn off some viewers, especially in this already methodical tale. After the mystery story we have the murder and suspense scenes, which are mostly well staged and executed, with a couple high points, albeit not all blood-ladened for those gore seekers of the subgenre. Although, there is one scene specifically that will certainly scratch that itch. Lastly, Riz Ortolani’s interesting jazzy score delivers a mostly creeping/“tiptoeing” style as it covers a range of feelings well throughout.

A Warning to the Curious (1972)
2.70 out of 4stars

“In 1929, an archaeologist goes treasure hunting along the English coast in search of a lost, fabled crown that supposedly helps protect Great Britain against invasion, but uncovers something much more sinister.”
A great supernatural folk horror that is a solid old-school showcase for no budget effective filmmaking. A made for TV movie based on a story from M.R. James, the film impressively creates spooky tension through almost entirely ideas and sound (score and noise), maybe with a touch of setting. It’s fascinating what the power of ideas, specifically superstition here, and belief in them can generate, especially when taken on by a group of people. Roughly one in the same, superstition, legend, and arguably curses are at play. Not sure if any of it is fact-based, but there is some good eerie stuff inside. One superstition specifically regarding the nursery rhyme London Bridge is Falling Down. That song is said to have a basis on older bridges containing human sacrifices buried in their foundations to prevent collapsing.

Street Trash (1987)
2.65 out of 4stars

“A liquor store owner sells alcoholic beverages to homeless people, unaware of what the bottles actually contain toxic brew, which causes anyone who drinks it to melt.”
A good dark comedy body horror that is an oddly charming film that is better than it has any right to be. As Pranzo stated, this is a unique and unforgettable film. The main attraction is clearly the melting style body horror. While some would consider this gross or something to look away from, the way it’s used here is a glorious form of art. 3 scenes specifically in the film showcase this extraordinarily through colors, transformation, and ‘articulation’. On to the 2 obvious metaphors which must be on purpose: using alcohol as the homelessness’ downfall while society lets them kill themselves without intervention, and the use of melting homeless people to point out society’s distaste for seeing and hearing about them. That said, the commentary and dialogue within is one confusing combination of material, as it seems the writers wrote somewhat aimlessly as they fleshed out a story with the inclusion of humor. There is both pro and anti homeless commentary made, making the viewer feel each of sympathy, antipathy, and indifference for them. What I can say is that the film feels notably anti-Vietnam war and pro better treatment for them, for what that’s worth. On the humor, a lot of it is in poor taste, especially the second half of the film which is roughly grim at times. There are a couple laughs to be had within though, especially early on. And, there was one over the top scene involving an organ and a game of keep away that had me chuckle at the sight of it for some reason, I’ll argue that it was executed well. I’m probably analyzing it all too seriously for what it is anyway, mostly schlock. For better or worse, it all feels on purpose at least, and I do not regret seeing this film in any way. :)

The Monster (1925) (silent)
2.55 out of 4stars

“A meek clerk who doubles as an amateur detective investigates some very strange goings-on at a remote mental sanitarium alongside his love interest and her current wooer.”
A good comedy horror with a good amount of creepiness and smile humor. Smile humor is humor that is not quite “ha” or giggle funny, but funny enough to put a smile on your face. This film is much more comedy than horror, but delivers enough on both fronts. The film starts a bit slow but progressively builds to a solid middle and strong third act. Some good suspense and an interesting high wire-stairwell banister sequence. Lon Chaney is strong in a small supporting role with minimal make-up. Noted for being one of the first Old Dark House and Mad Scientist films ever, as well as being considered to be the first horror film ever to top the North American box office.
 

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Recent viewing:

Dark Tower. Late 1980s haunted building movie that feels more like a late 1970s haunted building movie (aside from Jenny Agutter's big shouldered blouses). An ok little ghost story but I say that as someone who has always had a crush on Agutter and a soft spot for Michael Moriarity being an unnecessarily intense weirdo.

Sleepy Hollow. Underrated as both a Tim Burton movie and a fun Halloween season sit. It's nothing remarkable, but it's a fun and professionally done affair with a great cast of seasoned hams, good design and a wonderfully foggy atmosphere and a solid Danny Elfman score. If Johnny Depp weren't quite as much of a goober it might be a certified classic. Alas, he is.

Happy Death Day. Finally got around to this. Fun concept. Jessica Rothe is a super charming performer. Bummed that she hasn't seemed to catch on.

Thirteen Women. Horror/thriller from 1932 where Myrna Loy plays an exotic "half breed" (yikes!) taking revenge on women who wronged her via mind control (cool!). Aside from its icky classic Hollywood regard and portrayal of foreign cultures it feels kinda modern in plot and motivation. I dug it.
 

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Sleepy Hollow. Underrated as both a Tim Burton movie and a fun Halloween season sit. It's nothing remarkable, but it's a fun and professionally done affair with a great cast of seasoned hams, good design and a wonderfully foggy atmosphere and a solid Danny Elfman score. If Johnny Depp weren't quite as much of a goober it might be a certified classic. Alas, he is.
When I think of the quintessential October movie, I think of Sleepy Hollow, even before any of the Halloween movies. Burton and Depp are like peanut butter and jelly.
Happy Death Day. Finally got around to this. Fun concept. Jessica Rothe is a super charming performer. Bummed that she hasn't seemed to catch on.
I enjoyed it, largely because of Rothe, as well. Happy Death Day 2U is also worth watching if you liked the first.
 
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When I think of the quintessential October movie, I think of Sleepy Hollow, even before any of the Halloween movies. Burton and Depp are like peanut butter and jelly.

I enjoyed it, largely because of Rothe, as well. Happy Death Day 2U is also worth watching if you liked the first.
I hadn't seen Sleepy Hollow in about 20 years and as I was watching I felt "yep, this is the vibes I want." Good fun. Will come back to it more regularly.
 
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The Exorcist: Believer (Green, 2023) - It's official now, I really really dislike David Gordon Green (Manglehorn I thought was pretty good, I must have been wrong). The first part of the film, in Haiti, is just trying to lay down a formal lineage with the original. It lacks subtlety in doing so, might have you roll your eyes, but it's by far the best part of this film. Middle part, up to the girls disappearing, it's kind of meh, but ok, Then the possession, and it turns to shit real quit. There's a few moments of effective tension, and the actors are quite good, so it's not all rotten, but Green makes everything so dumb, and what tries at first to be a pale imitation of a great film ends up as just a boring possession film with zero personality. The one thing that could have saved this film, is the revelation that the father chose to save his wife - and thus makes him a bad father, which could have been brilliant if used in the relation to the demon, but nah... 3/10

My comments on the previous ones:
Part I
Part II
Part III
Parts IV

Even though parts 4 might be worst than this one, I think I still respect them more.
 
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Scream 4. Outside of the original I think this one is the most clever movie in the series. It's the only the one that doesn't lean on the crutch of a surprise motive and/or some long lost or secret relative(s). The motive and main killer are there all along and the reasons are pretty well seeded, which I really appreciated on this rewatch. And they don't overplay the rules bit, which 5 & 6 lean way too hard into. There's some nitpicking with some of the character decisions in the climax, but what can you do. There's also an unexpected bit of dark physical comedy.

I'd probably rank 3rd overall, but I only have 2 slightly in front of it. I think this has a much tougher needle to thread than the immediate sequel and it does it surprisingly well and much better than the subsequent two movies with making the point about how kids and entertainment have changed since the original.
 
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The Exorcist: Believer (Green, 2023) - It's official now, I really really dislike David Gordon Green (Manglehorn I thought was pretty good, I must have been wrong). The first part of the film, in Haiti, is just trying to lay down a formal lineage with the original. It lacks subtlety in doing so, might have you roll your eyes, but it's by far the best part of this film. Middle part, up to the girls disappearing, it's kind of meh, but ok, Then the possession, and it turns to shit real quit. There's a few moments of effective tension, and the actors are quite good, so it's not all rotten, but Green makes everything so dumb, and what tries at first to be a pale imitation of a great film ends up as just a boring possession film with zero personality. The one thing that could have saved this film, is the revelation that the father chose to save his wife - and thus makes him a bad father, which could have been brilliant if used in the relation to the demon, but nah... 3/10

My comments on the previous ones:
Part I
Part II
Part III
Parts IV

Even though parts 4 might be worst than this one, I think I still respect them more.

Crap, didn't realize this thread had been revived!

I saw speculation yesterday that Gordon Green may be replaced for the sequels. Based off of comments directly from him actually, when he said he wasn't sure he'd be doing them with his current responsibilities to HBO. Translation: Blumhouse paid $400M for the rights to the franchise and the first one is a critical bomb.
 

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Crap, didn't realize this thread had been revived!

I saw speculation yesterday that Gordon Green may be replaced for the sequels. Based off of comments directly from him actually, when he said he wasn't sure he'd be doing them with his current responsibilities to HBO. Translation: Blumhouse paid $400M for the rights to the franchise and the first one is a critical bomb.
Can't be a bad thing. Hope they think outside the box for the next one.
 
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Blood Diner (Kong, 1987) – I guess that if you don't know what you're getting into, this film must be all kinds of dumb trash, and might appeal as a 'so bad it's good' kind of crowd. As an homage to (or a parody of) Herschell Gordon Lewis's films, it's still kind of off, but you better understand what they were aiming for. It's a horror comedy, with a fun tone even though most of the jokes fall flat. It's over-the-top enough to be original, but what's certainly most surprising about it is that it was directed by a woman. If you don't enjoy fun cannibalism, with a side of gratuitous nudity, this might not be the movie you're looking for. As a z-movie, I still like it quite a bit. 4/10
OK i looked up the reviews and plot of this and I'm sold. I'm looking for poor taste, shitty everything and a reason to feel better about myself.
 

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When Evil Lurks (2023)

I just saw this in the theater, it's coming to shudder towards the end of the month. Just a brutal and bleak movie. Might be my favorite horror movie of the year though. It's so refreshing not to see shitty cgi in movies. Acting was great, super tense in some scenes. Just a wild ride.

Only had one real issue towards the end but still worth seeing.
 

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Forgot to mention it's in Spanish but subtitles don't bother me, my only complaint in terms of subtitles is I just wish they were a tad bit bigger. I've gone to closed captioning showings for English movies just because the timing worked out better and those are much larger.

I assume it's the studio doing the subtitles to begin with though not the individual theater but still wish they made em just a bit bigger so its easier to read when there's a lot of words.
 
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Forgot to mention it's in Spanish but subtitles don't bother me, my only complaint in terms of subtitles is I just wish they were a tad bit bigger. I've gone to closed captioning showings for English movies just because the timing worked out better and those are much larger.

I assume it's the studio doing the subtitles to begin with though not the individual theater but still wish they made em just a bit bigger so its easier to read when there's a lot of words.
Especially in fast talking movies or subtitles with "faster" talking foreign languages. Great point.
 
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Black Sabbath (1963) - 8/10

In this anthology film, Boris Karloff presents three tales of horror and the supernatural.

"The Telephone" stars Michele Mercier as a prostitute receiving an escalating series of threatening phone calls. "The Wurdulak" stars Boris Karloff in a 19th century tale of a family's battle with wurdulaks, a type of vampire. "The Drop of Water" stars Jacqueline Pierreux as a nurse who must tend to the body of a recently deceased spiritual medium.

Black Sabbath was directed by Mario Bava, with Bava and five others receiving writing credits. Two versions of this film exist: the original Italian version, and an American version in which some of the content is slightly changed, the anthologies are rearranged, and Karloff's wraparound is completely different. For this review, I watched the Italian version (available on Tubi), but also watched chunks of the American version (available on Youtube). I'll focus on the former but touch on both for this review.

"The Telephone" is the weakest of the three anthologies. It has a pre-When A Stranger Calls plot line, but does not have the suspense that film eventually had. It does have interesting elements; the main character is a call girl and implied to be a lesbian (both elements completely removed from the American version). But overall there's just not much to this one and the payoff is lackluster, so think of it as a warm up story.

"The Wurdulak" was my favorite of the stories. Mark Damon plays a similar role to the one he does in House of Usher (1960), once again unluckily coming across a family with a serious problem..in this case, vampires. The atmosphere and visuals here are superb, with some creepy moments mixed in. Boris Karloff plays the figurehead of the doomed family and is great.

"The Drop of Water" ends Black Sabbath on a strong note. Just like the previous story, really strong atmosphere and visuals, with a great use of color. Before you even know what's going on you can feel the dread and tension coming off the screen, and the payoff is super creepy. This is the first story of the American version of the movie (followed by Telephone and then Wurdulak), but I think it works best as an unsettling bookend.

Overall, Black Sabbath is a classic. The film was a critical and commercial dud when it came out, but has since gone on to be regarded as a top horror anthology (the Black Sabbath took their name from this movie). Boris Karloff is a riot (especially in the ending to the wrap around story, which is completely missing from the American version), and the film in general has a great Halloween season atmosphere. I really enjoyed this one and recommend it to those who haven't seen it, but stick to the Italian version in my opinion.
 

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