Speculation: Holl's next contract

[TMLAM34]

Easy walk here. He’ll probably get 3.5 on the open market. Re-signing Timmins at 1.1 million per is your easy replacement.

 

[horner]

For 2.5 you don't think the Leafs would retain him?

He will get 3.5 million
Not from us

 

[blue stick]

I wonder how realistic a 4 or 5 year deal is, he is 31 yrs old after all

 

[ACC1224]

He will get 3.5 million
Not from us

Yes, I don't think he will get 2.5 the poster I quoted did.

 

[Petrus]

I don't believe our new GM next season will have any interest re-signing him with the intent of making the Leafs better.

Ever since our current GM chose to protect Holl at the expense of and the loss of Jared McCann to Seattle in the expansion draft it makes my blood boil.

I just want this whole nonsense behind us so the healing can begin, which begins with Holl's departure.

FWIW: Jared McCann since being lost because he foolishly wasn't protected has produced 58 goals and 100 points over the course of the last 2 seasons. That would look excellent in our line-up.

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Perhaps I am missing something I still cannot figure out Dubas's strategy at the expansion draft. We lost McCann and Hallander in that transaction. On top of that we traded away Dermott. We could have exposed Kerfoot and Dermott. Our situation would have been far better.

 

[Kiwi]

I don't mind the guy and think he's been good value for money since he made the team

I wouldn't resign him though, somebody is going to give him more than I'd be comfortable with so I'd rather just part ways and start developing Timmins

 

[ULF_55]

I don't mind the guy and think he's been good value for money since he made the team

I wouldn't resign him though, somebody is going to give him more than I'd be comfortable with so I'd rather just part ways and start developing Timmins

Perhaps you and I and 80% of the posters wouldn't re-sign him.

What about Dubas/Keefe?

Of course, if Dubas and Keefe aren't calling the shots ...

 

[thewave]

Perhaps you and I and 80% of the posters wouldn't re-sign him.

What about Dubas/Keefe?

Of course, if Dubas and Keefe aren't calling the shots ...

Please don't even joke about it. Please.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

How much will this polarizing player get this summer?
Will the Leafs pay it or let him walk?

He's not polarizing, that would require close to half the fan base to like him, and I'm convinced the vast majority hate him.

 

[ACC1224]

Perhaps you and I and 80% of the posters wouldn't re-sign him.

What about Dubas/Keefe?

Of course, if Dubas and Keefe aren't calling the shots ...

Only 4 people so far believe the Leafs will re-sign him. 91% think they will let him walk.

 

[LeafGrief]

Yes, I don't think he will get 2.5 the poster I quoted did.

How much do you think he’ll get?

 

[Mess]

Perhaps I am missing something I still cannot figure out Dubas's strategy at the expansion draft. We lost McCann and Hallander in that transaction. On top of that we traded away Dermott. We could have exposed Kerfoot and Dermott. Our situation would have been far better.

First Dubas valued the Holl contract at $2 mil and protected him over a player he just acquired McCann that has scored 58 goals and 100 points since.

Then you consider he valued Holl at $2 mil and Kerfoot at $3.5 mil thereafter, so he let Zach Hyman walk as UFA for $5.5 mil (= identical cap space)

Since then Hyman has put up 56 goals 70 assists and 126 points.

Then Leafs fans have to watch Holl and his bonehead pick play in the playoffs game #7 that cancelled a Tavares goal on a delayed penalty and saw Leafs out in round #1.

Your not alone here in wondering what the GM's fascination is with Holl when most logical Leaf fan consider Holl and Kerfoot the 2 most expendable parts that they would like seen gone.

Just watch now Holl will be sitting in the pressbox come playoff time a healthy scratch, when you consider all that was sacrificed so he could remain on the team its a real head scratcher, only to wonder will he also be re-signed thereafter.

 

[ACC1224]

How much do you think he’ll get?

Someone will give him 3.5-4 I think

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

How much do you think he’ll get?

He's a RD, that alone gets him 3+ million

 

[Holls Blackmail]

It better be with NASA so he can ride the first exploratory probe fired into the sun.

 

[PromisedLand]

i am already depressed; this made me even more depressed

 

[rocketman588]

I think this organization values him more then others do

Same with kerfoot.

We'll see he is a RHD but I assume if others thought the way we did he'd have been moved during the times we've tried to shop him

 

[Fogelhund]

A year from now, if Holl is gone, Leafs fans will be talking about how they need a 6'3" RD, who leads his team in hits (second to ZAR), team leader in blocked shots (second to Gio), is great on the PK, starts the heaviest D zone starts on the team, with good results. But I get it... Leafs fans need someone on the D to complain about, no matter how warranted it is. Overall, he does a pretty decent job for us, at a pretty low cap hit.

The hate seems misplaced.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Perhaps I am missing something I still cannot figure out Dubas's strategy at the expansion draft. We lost McCann and Hallander in that transaction. On top of that we traded away Dermott. We could have exposed Kerfoot and Dermott.

We did expose Kerfoot and Dermott...
The strategy was pretty simple.
For the first time in decades, the Leafs were a top defensive team. We had just come off a franchise-record pacing season where Muzzin-Holl formed a shutdown pairing that worked really well. Holl was signed for multiple years at a good cost, and he was not easily replaceable through other means. Sandin and Liljegren weren't established in the NHL, and that was the year every defenseman capable of replacing Holl's minutes, let alone role and results, was getting an inflated contract in UFA. So we protected our 4 main forwards, our top 4 defensemen, and traded a small amount (Hallander + 7th) to protect the rest of the roster, as either McCann would be taken, or another forward would be taken that McCann could replace.
A smart strategy that worked quite well.

 

[Machinae]

Holl won't be re-signed as he will be priced out.

My guess is 4.5 x 5 to Edmonton to play with Ekholm.

First Dubas valued the Holl contract at $2 mil and protected him over a player he just acquired McCann that has scored 58 goals and 100 points since.

Then you consider he valued Holl at $2 mil and Kerfoot at $3.5 mil thereafter, so he let Zach Hyman walk as UFA for $5.5 mil (= identical cap space)

Since then Hyman has put up 56 goals 70 assists and 126 points.

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Then Leafs fans have to watch Holl and his bonehead pick play in the playoffs game #7 that cancelled a Tavares goal on a delayed penalty and saw Leafs out in round #1.

Your not alone here in wondering what the GM's fascination is with Holl when most logical Leaf fan consider Holl and Kerfoot the 2 most expendable parts that they would like seen gone.

Just watch now Holl will be sitting in the pressbox come playoff time a healthy scratch, when you consider all that was sacrificed so he could remain on the team its a real head scratcher, only to wonder will he also be re-signed thereafter.

Poor Toronto.. first and only team in history to have made the wrong choice (with hindsight) at the expansion draft.

 

[Lightsol]

He's not polarizing, that would require close to half the fan base to like him, and I'm convinced the vast majority hate him.

And it's not a surprise. Holl is like Jake Gardiner, if Gardiner were slower and didn't provide any offense. As in, the only time you notice Holl is when he's screwing up.

 

[ACC1224]

A year from now, if Holl is gone, Leafs fans will be talking about how they need a 6'3" RD, who leads his team in hits (second to ZAR), team leader in blocked shots (second to Gio), is great on the PK, starts the heaviest D zone starts on the team, with good results. But I get it... Leafs fans need someone on the D to complain about, no matter how warranted it is. Overall, he does a pretty decent job for us, at a pretty low cap hit.

The hate seems misplaced.

Nice story that we hear almost every year but it never actually happens or maybe you could provide and example?

Anyway say somehow that does happen and
people are talking about needing that player, won’t that be a failure of Dubas for not adding that player or retaining Holl?

And it's not a surprise. Holl is like Jake Gardiner, if Gardiner were slower and didn't provide any offense. As in, the only time you notice Holl is when he's screwing up.

Gardener was one we were told we’d miss when gone, that never materialized though.

 

[Lightsol]

A year from now, if Holl is gone, Leafs fans will be talking about how they need a 6'3" RD, who leads his team in hits (second to ZAR), team leader in blocked shots (second to Gio), is great on the PK, starts the heaviest D zone starts on the team, with good results. But I get it... Leafs fans need someone on the D to complain about, no matter how warranted it is. Overall, he does a pretty decent job for us, at a pretty low cap hit.

The hate seems misplaced.

The issue is, Holl's defensive abilities are overshadowed by his tendency to give up at least one and usually multiple brainfart plays every game. It's a rare game where he doesn't have at least one (though they don't always end up in the back of the net).

 

[TMLegend]

Wouldn't surprise me if he's brought back. Personally I'm indifferent on the player, but it's clear Dubas/Keefe like him, and that might be enough to keep him around.

 

[hamzarocks]

A year from now, if Holl is gone, Leafs fans will be talking about how they need a 6'3" RD, who leads his team in hits (second to ZAR), team leader in blocked shots (second to Gio), is great on the PK, starts the heaviest D zone starts on the team, with good results. But I get it... Leafs fans need someone on the D to complain about, no matter how warranted it is. Overall, he does a pretty decent job for us, at a pretty low cap hit.

The hate seems misplaced.

A year from now he will be on the Oilers makes 4M and they will still be a trash defensive team