Kings News: Holland officially GM

[rebuildorbust]

Byfield and Moore for Petterson

 

[Bandit]

True but they were phenomenal and very much of their moment.

That said I think the Beatles are so overrated. Don’t get me wrong some of their stuff was great but there was a lot of crap. I prefer Lennon’s solo stuff (McCartney’s sucks). Granted the Beatles are not my genre. I prefer Oasis but I would not consider them close to being greater (or bigger) as that’s a different thing.

I mean Oasis made a career out of ripping off the Beatles.

Don't get me wrong, I love Oasis (and Noel Gallagher's solo stuff) and I'm generally a Beatles hater. It's exacerbated by the fact that my father in law is Beatles fanboy #1. If I have to listen to him play Norwegian Wood on the guitar one more time, I'm going to whip his ass. I don't care if he's 70, LOL. As much as I hate to admit it though, the Beatles were great songwriters. Especially when you consider they did it all in about 10 years.

Then you have Oasis who could never write a song with more than 1 verse. Pretty impressive the popularity they got out of that formula.

 

[Statto]

I would legitimately rather listen to The Monkees than The Beatles.

I loved the Monkees as a kid!

 

[King'sPawn]

I would legitimately rather listen to The Monkees than The Beatles.

I loved the Monkees as a kid!

My fiancee and future sister-in-law claim Davy Jones

 

[Lt Dan]

Led Zeppelin >>>> all the other bands mentioned

 

[psych3man]

Woah man, you're not thinking in terms of a capitalistic business. Kopitar and Doughty sell jerseys and put people in seats. Without those legacy players, profits will fall.

Sound of hockey already reported that the Kings dropped -4% in attendance last year, that goes up if those two get shipped out. Does AEG want to sign off on sending away those assets when the team finished with most points in franchise history?

NHL Attendance Report 2024-25 - Sound Of Hockey

With 20% of the NHL season now complete, we thought it would be a good time to check in on the attendance across the league.

soundofhockey.com

For the record: I agree with you. I feel long term it would be beneficial for the team to realize they will not best teams such as Dallas, Edmonton, Winnipeg. But this is a profit driven league.

I'm still catching up from yesterday so this may have already been addressed...
In the above article, Kings have the 2nd largest attendance decrease in the league (4%; Penguins the largest). Explanation in the article: the wildfires. LOL. I'm sure their boring brand of hockey, refusing to invest in young exciting players, rookie and/or incompetent coaches; and the lack of playoff success in 10 years while playing the same old guys had nothing to do with the decline.

 

[Mattias]

Hockey as a sport doesn't "create" stars the way other sports do.

Your best scoring forward plays what... 1/3 of the game? MAYBE?
Your best defensive players MIGHT play 1/2 of the game but even that is like a handful in a generation.

So you goalie plays the full game but if he has one bad night or god forbid lets in one fluke goal from the red line that's on his highlight reel forever and oh yea he wears a mask and oh yea everybody automatically thinks scoring = excitement so even tho people love goalies and their idiosyncracies and flair (masks, pads etc) nobody wants to even try and make them stars.....

So yea... hockey doesn't lend itself to "Stars"

and when you DO get someone with a personality guess what... you GET a personality and the sad reality is, just like jerseys that are "cool" and "bad ass".... over time the PERSONALITY wears on you and becomes tiresome.

The first step in fixing a problem is correctly identifying the problem and I just really really really disagree with this opinion that I see ALL the time.

Hockey isn't football, baseball or basketball. It's not an action movie or a rock group.

It's a very unique sport and we're trying to sell it in non-traditional markets so why on earth do we consistently think that the same old thoughts and the same old approches (which for the record HAVEN'T worked) will somehow work if we just try HARDER.

Sorry I'm coming down off of my second round of chemo so I'm a little punchy and full of chemicals.

Never have to apologize Jesse. It can be really hard to tell how someone is trying to convey what they mean with posting on this site. My post was not meant to be cynical at all.

Hope you are doing ok, chemo can be rough.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

It's more than a P&L sheet Axl.

Are you familiar with the concept of strategic loss or CLV?

The Kings surely lost money between 2005 and 2009, do you think those losses were more than made up for in revenue from 2012-2014?

And that is not even factoring in CLV. I know you hate long posts.

So in Axl terms.

Bob becomes a fan because of 2012.
Bob goes to about 6 weekend games a year
Bob spends 1k a year on tickets, merchandise, concessions, food, streaming channels
Bob's CLV to the Kings is $20k (and growing) in 2022

Now do the same thing for Steve, except Steve and his wife became 100-level season ticket holders because of 2012.

How many Bob's and Steve's were created in 2012-2014?
How many Bob's and Steve's were created between 2021-2025?

I'm sure people way smarter than me on this type of thing, like @Piston or @KINGS17 could expand further or correct any mistakes I made.

You forgot the part where 'Bob' isn't going to any f***ing games and certainly isn't spending money on a team that he doesn't recognize any names on the roster.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

In

Well luckily it seems like he knows how well Gavrikov and Kuzmenko played.

Hopefully he gets them locked up.

I’m not going to read to much into what he’s saying, he’s being very diplomatic for a reason. He’s not ruling anything out other than a full blown tear down.

There’s going to be some changes and there already is with Holland giving extensive interviews and seems like a guy that likes to engage in talks which is a quality a GM should have unlike the last guy.

I’ll give Holland a chance, he has a tightrope to walk here until after the draft.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Byfield and Moore for Petterson

I'm always up for fun, but why? He's 27 in November, and might bring room drama in some way.

 

[rebuildorbust]

I'm always up for fun, but why? He's 27 in November, and might bring room drama in some way.

He’ll return to form as a true 1C and he’s great on the PP

 

[KingsFan7824]

He’ll return to form as a true 1C and he’s great on the PP

For the next 7 years?

 

[kingsfan28]

Well luckily it seems like he knows how well Gavrikov and Kuzmenko played.

Hopefully he gets them locked up.

Resign them just for the comic relief . Their interviews are always top notch.

 

[Sol]

I’m fine with trading anyone on this team as long as it makes sense. Petterson doesn’t make sense. Kings don’t need another princess on their team. Kopitar is enough.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You trade Byfield for a Brady Tkachuk, not for another sackless pansy who tucks his peepee between his legs.

 

[MonkeysUncle]

You trade Byfield for a Brady Tkachuk, not for another sackless pansy who tucks his peepee between his legs.

Normally I'd be ok with something like that,but we have seriously zero Centers able to step in and Kopi in last of deal and even if he wasn't he should a 2/3 center.
We need another legit center.
If Boston is looking to rebuild or retool, I'd Call the on Zacha or Geekie(less likely, had career year) even mittelstadt might worth a shot (might be able to by low and hope for rebound in better environment)

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[AbsentMojo]

Cant be easy to make that call.. must be worst part of the job. I fantasize there will be a similar call with Drew over the summer.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Cant be easy to make that call.. must be worst part of the job. I fantasize there will be a similar call with Drew over the summer.

Does anyone think Blake makes those calls? I can’t see it. Blake seemed like a stone cold guy. Who knows, I could be wrong but that’s a good quality with Holland, he seems to care and understands the impact of these moves.

Im sure Holland has had players over in his garage having beers at the end of his tenures in Detroit and Edmonton.

 

[AbsentMojo]

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Does anyone think Blake makes those calls? I can’t see it. Blake seemed like a stone cold guy. Who knows, I could be wrong but that’s a good quality with Holland, he seems to care and understands the impact of these moves.

Im sure Holland has had players over in his garage having beers at the end of his tenures in Detroit and Edmonton.

its possible Blake is good one on one.. he def not good at public facing - he seems very reserved and introverted... but man Im just glad he's gone as GM. Good luck to him in whatever he does after.. dont want him back in the org ever.

 

[Live in the Now]

I'm still catching up from yesterday so this may have already been addressed...
In the above article, Kings have the 2nd largest attendance decrease in the league (4%; Penguins the largest). Explanation in the article: the wildfires. LOL. I'm sure their boring brand of hockey, refusing to invest in young exciting players, rookie and/or incompetent coaches; and the lack of playoff success in 10 years while playing the same old guys had nothing to do with the decline.

Prices keep endlessly going up, that's why attendance goes down. It's weird because it's a huge elephant in the room with fans of all sports. We want the cap to go up so we can add to the team, but the things required for the cap to go up make it more and more difficult for regular people to go to games. If I want to go to a game and sit in the lower bowl, alright I gotta pick up my dad and my brother and between us it's 600 bucks for seats, too much for parking, and who knows what f***ing else for food. We go to two or three games a year, we each pick the tab up once. That's a big tab. I have reffing responsibilities from August to February too, tough to go that time of the year and I hate going alone so it has to cost that much.

It's not even about how good or bad the team is. They could win the President's Trophy and I'm still not going more often. I also think these sports leagues really struggle to connect with younger fans, there's about a million reasons why that is. Fans keep getting older and can't go anymore, they aren't being replaced by younger fans who want to spend lots of their money.

 

[ru4reals]

Holland stinks. Can't wait to be in the McKenna sweepstakes. But then again Holland absolutely sucks a** in drafting, so we'll just get another bust. Bring back Blake. LOL.

 

[KINGS17]

Drew, you've been traded Toronto. Here is the number for the Leafs' traveling secretary. They are expecting your call.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Drew, you've been traded Toronto. Here is the number for the Leafs' traveling secretary. They are expecting your call.

I actually wonder which teams are on his NTC.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Kevin Fiala LW 7.8M/4 Years
Liam Greentree LW 975k/3 Years
Jordan Spence RD 1.5M/2 Years


David Pastrnak RW 11M/4 Years



Trevor Moore 4.2M/4 Years


2nd Round Pick

Re-sign Kuzmenko 4 x 2
Re-sign Jeannot 1.5 x 3
Re-sign Laferierre 3.75M x 3

Sign Yanni Gourde 4.25 x 2
Sign Ivan Provorov 7 x 6

KEMPE - BYFIELD - PASTRNAK
GOURDE - KOPITAR - KUZMENKO
FOEGELE - DANAULT - LAFERIERRE
JEANNOT - HELENIUS - TURCOTTE
*ZIEMMER, MALOTT, WARD, PINELLI, THOMAS

ANDERSON - CLARKE
PROVOROV - DOUGHTY
EDMUNDSON - SPENCE
*MOVERARE, BURROUGHS

KUEMPER
PORTILLO

edit: I traded Spence but also have him in the line-up. YOLO

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I may be one of the only ones buuuut I don't think this org is just outright good enough.

YOu're not getting a transformative talent like Marner or Pastrnak to 'compete' with McDavid, MacKinnon, Makar. No one is just going to out-talent those guys.

The offense was 'good enough.' It could be better, adds will sure help.
The defense was MORE than 'good enough', though it obviusly needs a foot speed and offensive upgrade.

This organization's biggest problem in the playoffs was just outright toughness/grit and being able to pound more talented teams. They're going to have to build more like florida, far far less like Colorado. The trades I see in here so far are admirable thoughts but does anyone really think we were a Mitch f***ing Marner away from beating Edmonton?