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FSL KINGS said:
What the King's really need is a new marketing star. He doesn't have to be an actual star, just a good player the King's can overpay & run a media campaign on to convince Southern California he's a STAR! Where could we find a player like that?
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Why do people keep insisting this is true?

What evidence is there in the history of hockey south of Chicago that suggests that this is true?

I've had this fight so many times and I genuinely don't understand it.
 
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Oh great, Lewis is still here? They’re really trying to prove that the Kings GM position is essentially a Hydra. Cut one head and another appears. Until Luc is taken out then the GM position is just a figure head.
 
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All The Kings Men said:
Why do people keep insisting this is true?

What evidence is there in the history of hockey south of Chicago that suggests that this is true?

I've had this fight so many times and I genuinely don't understand it.
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I don't get it either man. I guess old habits die hard

The "LA nEeDz A sTaR" crowd will never accept reality
 
Mattias said:
I agree, but this is not only a Kings thing but a NHL problem. Sooo many players are just boring to listen to and don't give a lot of personality when it comes to interviews. How many times have you heard the following:
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Hockey as a sport doesn't "create" stars the way other sports do.

Your best scoring forward plays what... 1/3 of the game? MAYBE?
Your best defensive players MIGHT play 1/2 of the game but even that is like a handful in a generation.

So you goalie plays the full game but if he has one bad night or god forbid lets in one fluke goal from the red line that's on his highlight reel forever and oh yea he wears a mask and oh yea everybody automatically thinks scoring = excitement so even tho people love goalies and their idiosyncracies and flair (masks, pads etc) nobody wants to even try and make them stars.....

So yea... hockey doesn't lend itself to "Stars"

and when you DO get someone with a personality guess what... you GET a personality and the sad reality is, just like jerseys that are "cool" and "bad ass".... over time the PERSONALITY wears on you and becomes tiresome.

The first step in fixing a problem is correctly identifying the problem and I just really really really disagree with this opinion that I see ALL the time.

Hockey isn't football, baseball or basketball. It's not an action movie or a rock group.

It's a very unique sport and we're trying to sell it in non-traditional markets so why on earth do we consistently think that the same old thoughts and the same old approches (which for the record HAVEN'T worked) will somehow work if we just try HARDER.

Sorry I'm coming down off of my second round of chemo so I'm a little punchy and full of chemicals.
 
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Sol said:
Oh great, Lewis is still here? They’re really trying to prove that the Kings GM position is essentially a Hydra. Cut one head and another appears. Until Luc is taken out then the GM position is just a figure head.
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So you are deducing that Lewis is a starfish?

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All The Kings Men said:
Hockey as a sport doesn't "create" stars the way other sports do.

Your best scoring forward plays what... 1/3 of the game? MAYBE?
Your best defensive players MIGHT play 1/2 of the game but even that is like a handful in a generation.

So you goalie plays the full game but if he has one bad night or god forbid lets in one fluke goal from the red line that's on his highlight reel forever and oh yea he wears a mask and oh yea everybody automatically thinks scoring = excitement so even tho people love goalies and their idiosyncracies and flair (masks, pads etc) nobody wants to even try and make them stars.....

So yea... hockey doesn't lend itself to "Stars"

and when you DO get someone with a personality guess what... you GET a personality and the sad reality is, just like jerseys that are "cool" and "bad ass".... over time the PERSONALITY wears on you and becomes tiresome.

The first step in fixing a problem is correctly identifying the problem and I just really really really disagree with this opinion that I see ALL the time.

Hockey isn't football, baseball or basketball. It's not an action movie or a rock group.

It's a very unique sport and we're trying to sell it in non-traditional markets so why on earth do we consistently think that the same old thoughts and the same old approches (which for the record HAVEN'T worked) will somehow work if we just try HARDER.

Sorry I'm coming down off of my second round of chemo so I'm a little punchy and full of chemicals.
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Here's my question (genuine question) to anybody... cus I've had this conversation with loads of people in the industry.

What would a hockey player have to do to cross over into main stream fame?

And I mean like legitimate mega fame where you wouldn't have to explain who they were... you show someone a photo of them and they go OH! I know who that is it's (whoever)
 
Mattias said:
Woah man, you're not thinking in terms of a capitalistic business. Kopitar and Doughty sell jerseys and put people in seats. Without those legacy players, profits will fall.

Sound of hockey already reported that the Kings dropped -4% in attendance last year, that goes up if those two get shipped out. Does AEG want to sign off on sending away those assets when the team finished with most points in franchise history?

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NHL Attendance Report 2024-25 - Sound Of Hockey

With 20% of the NHL season now complete, we thought it would be a good time to check in on the attendance across the league.
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For the record: I agree with you. I feel long term it would be beneficial for the team to realize they will not best teams such as Dallas, Edmonton, Winnipeg. But this is a profit driven league.
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What if Kings dropped -4% in attendance last year, because people did not want to see slow shadow of player Kopitar used to be?
 
FSL KINGS said:
Still can't believe you make it all the way to the NHL as a head coach & you don't have basic things figured out.
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Here's hoping to a 10-game losing streak to open the new season. That should do it, in terms of a new coach. The players can certainly "arrange" for this in a smart way.
 
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All The Kings Men said:
Why do people keep insisting this is true?

What evidence is there in the history of hockey south of Chicago that suggests that this is true?

I've had this fight so many times and I genuinely don't understand it.
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Luc runs the team. Luc needs a star to slap on the advertisements for marketing. We are not the demographic they're marketing too. The casual fan is. Kopi & Doughty have been up there for years. Kempe & Fiala aren't quite there. They hoped Byfield would be, but not at his current production. So they need a star for marketing. The sports franchise in LA is very concerned with marketing.

The team doesn't necessarily need a star to play games & win. My point was more about Luc pushing to sign someone the King's don't need to a bloated contract because after 8 & 11 are gone in the very near future who do you put on the ad?


Going back to Blake a day or two ago. Talked about Blake landing himself back in a position where he was stuck with respect to trades. He started out chasing every top 6 player. Kovalchuk got benched by Todd. Pacioretty didn't work out. Buchnevich went for Blais +2nd over Kupari & 1st. PL & Liane were swapped so Blake missed on both. There may have been a few others. Blake started out his career not being able to land a top 6 forward. When Fiala came available Blake through down Faber + 1st & immediately out bid everyone. Then Vilardi finally had value & he was dumped.

At this point Blake burned through his assets either trading them or destroying their value. Blake is right back to not having the assets to make a trade to put the team over the top just like the start of his GM career. He's smart enough to see the predicament he put himself in. Doubt he'll talk about it.
 
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Axl Rhoadz said:
Bro...save your breath on explaining the 'this is still a business' concept to these guys, their franchise mode on Xbox doesn't include the need to sell jerseys.
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Yeah but the business plans will have budgeted in a few better play-off runs. That’s why Luc looks like he’s feeling the pressure.
 
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All The Kings Men said:
Here's my question (genuine question) to anybody... cus I've had this conversation with loads of people in the industry.

What would a hockey player have to do to cross over into main stream fame?

And I mean like legitimate mega fame where you wouldn't have to explain who they were... you show someone a photo of them and they go OH! I know who that is it's (whoever)
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They need to release a disco album, just like Guy Lafleur.
 
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Hopefully for LA fans Holland can get Lewis some players who he can trust in playoffs and not overplay 3Dmen and 5 forwards.

Sign Gavrikov and add another one (or two) like him.

Forwards and goaltending is fine for the most part. Maybe add one or 2 playoffs performers on the bottom 6. Someone like Pageau or ROR would put the team over the top IMO.
 
FSL KINGS said:
My point was more about Luc pushing to sign someone the King's don't need to a bloated contract because after 8 & 11 are gone in the very near future who do you put on the ad?
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and my point is the local news still uses the Sacramento Kings logo and called them Kopidor and Doty so what actual difference does it really make?

Sports teams are brands. Sell the brand.

Just my .02
 
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All The Kings Men said:
Hockey as a sport doesn't "create" stars the way other sports do.

Your best scoring forward plays what... 1/3 of the game? MAYBE?
Your best defensive players MIGHT play 1/2 of the game but even that is like a handful in a generation.

So you goalie plays the full game but if he has one bad night or god forbid lets in one fluke goal from the red line that's on his highlight reel forever and oh yea he wears a mask and oh yea everybody automatically thinks scoring = excitement so even tho people love goalies and their idiosyncracies and flair (masks, pads etc) nobody wants to even try and make them stars.....

So yea... hockey doesn't lend itself to "Stars"

and when you DO get someone with a personality guess what... you GET a personality and the sad reality is, just like jerseys that are "cool" and "bad ass".... over time the PERSONALITY wears on you and becomes tiresome.

The first step in fixing a problem is correctly identifying the problem and I just really really really disagree with this opinion that I see ALL the time.

Hockey isn't football, baseball or basketball. It's not an action movie or a rock group.

It's a very unique sport and we're trying to sell it in non-traditional markets so why on earth do we consistently think that the same old thoughts and the same old approches (which for the record HAVEN'T worked) will somehow work if we just try HARDER.

Sorry I'm coming down off of my second round of chemo so I'm a little punchy and full of chemicals.
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I agree. Hardly any non hockey folks in LA will know who McDavid is and I guarantee there isn’t any non-hockey folks in the UK that can name anyone other than Gretzky and even then it’s a tiny minority. Some will have heard of the Kings though, still a minority but many more than can name a player.

Football (Soccer)in the UK has much higher player name recognition but even then the brand is far bigger with both fans and non fans.
 
All The Kings Men said:
Why do people keep insisting this is true?

What evidence is there in the history of hockey south of Chicago that suggests that this is true?

I've had this fight so many times and I genuinely don't understand it.
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I'm assuming (big assumption) that because hockey blew up in Southern California by acquiring Gretzky, that media (and thus casuals) will pay more attention when there's a star the media finds worth talking about.

At least that's the best rationale behind the "needz a star" rhetoric.
 
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