HOH Top-60 Pre-merger players: voting results

[seventieslord]

I just noticed that the results I've been posting include NRs from unsubmitted ballots. So for example, Didier Pitre has 2 NRs, even though he was never NR'd this week.

We had 13 voters this week - 3 abstained. Why only two showing up as NR? The one who's been abstaining right from the start is not currently even on the spreadsheet, so their nonexistent weekly ballot is not logging NRs. Just the two from the non-voters we actually expected to vote.

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[TD]name[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

4​

[/TD]

[TD]

5​

[/TD]

[TD]

6​

[/TD]

[TD]

7​

[/TD]

[TD]

8​

[/TD]

[TD]

9​

[/TD]

[TD]

10​

[/TD]

[TD]NR[/TD]
[TD]Total[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Didier Pitre[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

4​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

98​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Hap Holmes[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

5​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

94​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Art Ross[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

5​

[/TD]

[TD]

78​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]George Hay[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

5​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

75​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Percy Lesueur[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

4​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

4​

[/TD]

[TD]

72​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Joe Simpson[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

4​

[/TD]

[TD]

65​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Dan Bain[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

6​

[/TD]

[TD]

54​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Bernie Morris[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

5​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

5​

[/TD]

[TD]

41​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tommy Smith[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

4​

[/TD]

[TD]

7​

[/TD]

[TD]

29​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Reg Noble[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

8​

[/TD]

[TD]

25​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jack Walker[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

10​

[/TD]

[TD]

22​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Herb Gardiner[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

9​

[/TD]

[TD]

18​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Ernie Russell[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

11​

[/TD]

[TD]

14​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tommy Dunderdale[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

10​

[/TD]

[TD]

12​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Frank Patrick[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

12​

[/TD]

[TD]

11​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Punch Broadbent[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

14​

[/TD]

[TD]

4​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Joe Hall[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

13​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]
[/TR]
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[jigglysquishy]

I'm surprised to see Walker get a #1 vote. I didn't rank him, but almost did. Would love to read the argument for him that high.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Art Ross was very polarizing

 

[sr edler]

I'm surprised to see Walker get a #1 vote. I didn't rank him, but almost did. Would love to read the argument for him that high.

I'm not in this thing, but I would also have ranked Walker #1 this round.

Lester Patrick, in 1950, called Walker "one of the greatest players who ever lived", but also claimed he was a boring player, meaning not someone who wowed the crowd with either charisma or too much zig-zagging. So he didn't get too much ravings in the press, and he also spent much of his career in a non-Canadian market, meaning even less ravings.

But, while boring, he was still a very effective and accomplished player. Arguably the 2nd best defensive forward of his time, and not an offensive black hole when called upon. Even when Bernie Morris was out for the 1919 (non-completed) SCFs, Seattle still went toe-to-toe with Montreal.

I can't see a compelling argument for ranking Morris over Walker (I also wouldn't rank someone like Hay over Walker, but that's a bit beside this particular point). One has to take into account that Morris was a C in the PCHA, and the PCHA didn't move away from the rover until the early 20s, meaning Morris was still effectively "babysat" defensively by either Walker or Foyston (or both). This is also obviously true for someone like Dunderdale, who also was a C in the PCHA.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Guess I'm a Tommy Smith fanboy!

Kind of lame for George Hay to get voted in with very little discussion, though I did have him towards the end of my ballot.

 

[nabby12]

Guess I'm a Tommy Smith fanboy!

Kind of lame for George Hay to get voted in with very little discussion, though I did have him towards the end of my ballot.

I have lots of material on George Hay that I can post when the time is right. He kind of slipped through the cracks for me the last few weeks, but I had him high on my ballot.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I have lots of material on George Hay that I can post when the time is right. He kind of slipped through the cracks for me the last few weeks, but I had him high on my ballot.

The time was last week!

 

[BenchBrawl]

Guess I'm a Tommy Smith fanboy!

Kind of lame for George Hay to get voted in with very little discussion, though I did have him towards the end of my ballot.

I apologize for that, I should have been the one to make the case (or Sturm), but life seriously got in the way in March.

For me, George Hay's all around play, nonstop star power, being measured against Aurèle Joliat and coming out equal, being adaptive to the style of his linemates (à la Elias, the player I compare him to), and the fact his defensive reputation was enormous and from day one till the last season of his career, made him a unique player and appealing candidate.

 

[seventieslord]

Round 7 results. I have fixed the issue with the way NRs are reported, but probably won't go back and edit all the previous posts anytime soon.

name

1​

2​

3​

4​

5​

6​

7​

8​

9​

10​

NR

Total

Weldy Young

4​

4​

2​

1​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

2​

105​

Dan Bain

1​

3​

4​

4​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

100​

Alf Smith

6​

1​

2​

0​

0​

1​

2​

0​

0​

1​

1​

99​

Joe Simpson

1​

0​

3​

4​

1​

1​

3​

0​

0​

0​

1​

85​

Jack Walker

1​

1​

0​

2​

1​

4​

0​

1​

1​

0​

3​

64​

Paddy Moran

0​

2​

0​

1​

2​

3​

1​

1​

1​

0​

3​

61​

Tommy Smith

1​

1​

0​

0​

3​

0​

1​

2​

2​

2​

2​

53​

Herb Gardiner

0​

0​

1​

1​

2​

0​

3​

2​

0​

0​

5​

45​

Bernie Morris

0​

1​

0​

1​

1​

1​

2​

1​

2​

2​

3​

44​

Reg Noble

0​

0​

0​

0​

3​

2​

0​

0​

1​

2​

6​

32​

Joe Hall

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

4​

2​

0​

6​

29​

Gord Roberts

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

2​

1​

9​

12​

Marty Walsh

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

11​

12​

Frank Patrick

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

12​

9​

Tommy Dunderdale

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

2​

10​

9​

Ernie Russell

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

12​

5​

Art Duncan

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

13​

5​

Punch Broadbent

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

13​

1​

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Weldy Young survives two completely-out-of-nowhere NR votes to stay on top. Bain, Smith and Simpson join him.

With Walker and Moran separated by just three points, we decided that whatever happens to one, happens to the other. Precedent dictates that if Walker gets in, so does Moran. But we went the other way, mainly because they are 21 points behind the clear 4th place, Simpson, and only 8 ahead of the next behind them, Smith. So the project could benefit from having these two in the hopper for discussion one more (last?) time.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Congratulations to @rmartin65 for Young's ranking here, which would absolutely not have happened without his immense amount of research prior to the project. If this poll had been taken 6 months ago Young would have ranked miles behind the likes of Bain and Simpson. This is one of those little feathers in the cap for the HOH forum making real progress on how these players are understood.

 

[seventieslord]

Round 8: 14 of 16 participants voted.

name

1​

2​

3​

4​

5​

6​

7​

8​

9​

10​

NR

Total

Jack Walker

5​

2​

3​

1​

0​

2​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

110​

Paddy Moran

1​

4​

3​

1​

2​

1​

1​

1​

0​

0​

0​

101​

Jack Campbell

3​

2​

2​

2​

1​

2​

1​

0​

0​

0​

1​

98​

Tommy Smith

2​

1​

0​

5​

2​

0​

1​

1​

0​

1​

1​

84​

Bernie Morris

1​

1​

0​

2​

3​

2​

1​

2​

1​

0​

1​

73​

Herb Gardiner

1​

0​

3​

0​

1​

2​

1​

2​

0​

2​

2​

62​

Reg Noble

1​

1​

1​

1​

2​

0​

2​

0​

1​

1​

4​

57​

Joe Hall

0​

1​

0​

2​

1​

1​

3​

2​

1​

0​

3​

54​

Frank Patrick

0​

2​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

2​

2​

7​

27​

Marty Walsh

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

3​

0​

8​

22​

Tommy Dunderdale

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

1​

1​

2​

8​

18​

Gord Roberts

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

2​

1​

0​

9​

17​

Harry Oliver

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

1​

0​

10​

17​

Art Duncan

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

2​

0​

0​

1​

10​

15​

Bob MacDougall

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

2​

4​

7​

13​

Punch Broadbent

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

13​

2​

Jack Darragh

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

14​

0​

Smokey Harris

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

14​

0​

Ernie Russell

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

14​

0​

First shutouts in the entire project! I guess when we keep making the player pool larger, we keep increasing the likelihood of it happening. Russell is particularly surprising though, being a holdover from vote 7, who was not shut out last time!

Because we added four last round, the goal was to add six this time, to get to an even 40. There is a clear separation between 6th (Gardiner) and 7th (Noble) - the same five-point gap that kept Pitre from getting in on vote 5.

We thought it was worth mentioning that with Noble and Hall only 5 & 8 behind Gardiner, and a whopping 30 and 27 ahead of Patrick, we gave serious consideration to adding all three of them.

 

[seventieslord]

Round 9: We had to go forward with just 12 votes this time.

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[TD]name[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

4​

[/TD]

[TD]

5​

[/TD]

[TD]

6​

[/TD]

[TD]

7​

[/TD]

[TD]

8​

[/TD]

[TD]

9​

[/TD]

[TD]

10​

[/TD]

[TD]

NR​

[/TD]

[TD]

Total​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Joe Hall​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

97​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Reg Noble​

[/TD]

[TD]

4​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

87​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Dick Irvin​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

63​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Frank Patrick​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

63​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Bob MacDougall​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

57​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Tommy Dunderdale​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

55​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Marty Walsh​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

39​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Gord Roberts​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

5​

[/TD]

[TD]

37​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Art Duncan​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

5​

[/TD]

[TD]

31​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Jack Marshall​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

5​

[/TD]

[TD]

29​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Si Griffis​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

6​

[/TD]

[TD]

26​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Harry Oliver​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

8​

[/TD]

[TD]

17​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Lloyd Cook​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

8​

[/TD]

[TD]

17​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Haviland Routh​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

8​

[/TD]

[TD]

15​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Punch Broadbent​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

9​

[/TD]

[TD]

9​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Odie Cleghorn​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

11​

[/TD]

[TD]

6​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Jack Darragh​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

11​

[/TD]

[TD]

6​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Riley Hern​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

11​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Ernie Russell​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

9​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]

Smokey Harris​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

12​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Dunderdale is close enough, he gets in with MacDougall.

Patrick gets the tiebreak over Irvin, as he topped him on 7 of 11 ballots (one NR'd them both).

 

[Dr John Carlson]

Poor Ernie Russell.

 

[seventieslord]

Vote 10: We had 12 voters this time.

name

1​

2​

3​

4​

5​

6​

7​

8​

9​

10​

NR

Total

Gord Roberts

3​

3​

2​

1​

2​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

95​

Marty Walsh

5​

1​

0​

2​

1​

2​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

91​

Si Griffis

1​

1​

2​

0​

3​

1​

1​

0​

0​

0​

3​

62​

Harry Oliver

1​

1​

2​

2​

1​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

3​

60​

Art Duncan

1​

1​

1​

1​

2​

0​

2​

0​

1​

1​

2​

57​

Jack Marshall

0​

1​

1​

2​

0​

1​

1​

0​

0​

1​

5​

41​

Punch Broadbent

0​

1​

1​

2​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

2​

5​

39​

Lloyd Cook

0​

1​

1​

1​

0​

1​

0​

2​

1​

0​

5​

37​

Haviland Routh

0​

1​

1​

0​

0​

1​

1​

3​

1​

0​

4​

37​

Ernie Russell

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

2​

1​

3​

2​

3​

24​

Carson Cooper

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

1​

1​

0​

0​

8​

20​

Tom Paton

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

0​

0​

9​

19​

Odie Cleghorn

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

0​

2​

0​

8​

15​

Jack Darragh

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

9​

13​

Eddie Oatman

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

1​

1​

8​

12​

Harry Hyland

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

2​

8​

12​

Riley Hern

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

0​

0​

10​

8​

Harry Westwick

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

11​

6​

Harry Trihey

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

10​

5​

Blair Russell

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

10​

5​

Smokey Harris

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

11​

2​

The goal was to add 4 this round, but 5 will get in due to the closeness between 3-4-5 and the distance from 5 to 6.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Walsh with 5 first place votes, but finishes second.

I thought I was going to have Routh highest at 2, but I didn't realize how low everyone else was on him.

 

[seventieslord]

Vote 11: We had 11 voters this time.

name

1​

2​

3​

4​

5​

6​

7​

8​

9​

10​

NR

Total

Punch Broadbent

3​

1​

0​

1​

0​

2​

0​

0​

2​

0​

2​

60​

Allan Cameron

0​

1​

5​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

1​

0​

2​

58​

Haviland Routh

1​

1​

0​

1​

2​

2​

1​

0​

0​

2​

1​

54​

Ernie Russell

0​

2​

0​

2​

0​

0​

2​

3​

0​

1​

1​

50​

Jack Marshall

1​

1​

0​

1​

2​

2​

0​

0​

0​

1​

3​

49​

Lloyd Cook

2​

0​

1​

1​

1​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

5​

45​

Odie Cleghorn

0​

0​

1​

1​

1​

1​

2​

0​

0​

0​

5​

34​

Dolly Swift

2​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

1​

2​

4​

33​

Tom Paton

1​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

1​

1​

0​

1​

5​

31​

Jack Darragh

0​

1​

2​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

6​

30​

Carson Cooper

0​

1​

0​

1​

1​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

7​

26​

Eddie Oatman

0​

1​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

7​

22​

Harry Westwick

0​

1​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

7​

21​

Harry Hyland

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

2​

0​

0​

0​

0​

8​

20​

Riley Hern

0​

1​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

2​

7​

18​

Harry Trihey

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

0​

2​

1​

6​

16​

Jack Adams

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

2​

2​

0​

6​

15​

Bouse Hutton

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

9​

14​

Smokey Harris

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

0​

9​

6​

Blair Russell

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

10​

3​

Scotty Davidson

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

11​

0​

Graham Drinkwater

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

11​

0​

Very small gaps all around, the only notable one is the one from 6th (Cook) to 7th (Cleghorn), so we will be adding 6 this round. 7 new names go in the hopper.

 

[VanIslander]

The voting is not bad, but is so ATD-list derivative, as expected.

The criteria for an ATD what-if player should be in stark contrast to this project.

(For the record, historical references spell it "Blair Russel", not "Russell"; moreover, applause should meet the Paton and Hyland 1st place votes given their historical significance; let Oatman be forgotten.)

 

[rmartin65]

The voting is not bad, but is so ATD-list derivative, as expected.

The criteria for an ATD what-if player should be in stark contrast to this project.

Do you think so? I'm not sure. McGee going that high flies in the face of ATD canon. Bowie before Malone, Gerard, Phillips. Weldy Young and Dan Bain where they are placed is not an ATD thing at all. Gardiner being so late, Morris being late, Cy Denneny dropping as far as he did.

I'm not saying the voting is perfect, but I don't think it shows too-heavy of an ATD bias, certainly not any more than other projects have.

Also- you could have participated. Your votes and arguments could have helped push discussion and ballots. We are continuing the project (to 70 names from the planned 60) and are debating on whether or not to ask non-participants to submit lists for the extension. Would this interest you?

(For the record, historical references spell it "Blair Russel", not "Russell";

False. Historical records (the game summaries) largely refer to him as "Russell". It was only after his career where the single "l" became commonplace. For reference, please see the quotes I pulled from the game summaries (they can be found in the research thread or in the two most recent discussion threads). The HHoF has the single "l", so I do agree that we should go with that, but historical references do vary and to say that they don't is simply not true.

moreover, applause should meet the Paton and Hyland 1st place votes given their historical significance; let Oatman be forgotten.)

If you have a case for either of them, please present it here. There are a lot of worthy names.

 

[seventieslord]

For the most part, I think the order of this list flies in the face of ATD theory.

 

[seventieslord]

Vote 12: we had 12 voters this round.

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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

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[TD][/TD]
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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

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[/TABLE]

name

1​

2​

3​

4​

5​

6​

7​

8​

9​

10​

NR

Total

Dolly Swift

1​

1​

1​

3​

2​

1​

0​

0​

0​

2​

1​

67​

Carson Cooper

2​

0​

2​

0​

1​

1​

1​

0​

2​

0​

3​

55​

Dickie Boon

3​

0​

0​

1​

2​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

6​

49​

Tom Paton

1​

1​

1​

2​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

6​

47​

Odie Cleghorn

1​

2​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

3​

0​

4​

45​

Jack Darragh

1​

1​

1​

1​

0​

0​

2​

0​

1​

0​

5​

44​

Harry Westwick

0​

2​

0​

0​

1​

2​

1​

1​

0​

0​

5​

41​

Dubbie Kerr

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

2​

0​

5​

1​

0​

2​

40​

Eddie Oatman

1​

1​

0​

0​

1​

2​

0​

1​

0​

0​

6​

38​

Jack Adams

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

4​

1​

1​

3​

1​

36​

Riley Hern

0​

2​

1​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

3​

4​

36​

Harry Trihey

0​

1​

1​

1​

0​

1​

1​

0​

1​

0​

6​

35​

Bouse Hutton

0​

0​

2​

1​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

7​

28​

Harry Hyland

1​

0​

1​

0​

1​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

8​

28​

Smokey Harris

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

9​

18​

Harry Smith

1​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

10​

17​

Blair Russell

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

10​

13​

Scotty Davidson

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

1​

10​

6​

Art Gagne

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

11​

6​

Barney Stanley

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

10​

5​

Bobby Rowe

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

10​

3​

Rusty Crawford

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

11​

2​

Graham Drinkwater

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

11​

1​

The only way to be consistent with past rounds, is to add just two players to the list this round, which gets us to 59, meaning we will have a goal of six next round (to get us to 65). Let's try to hammer out something resembling a consensus on these guys.

 

[seventieslord]

Vote 13: 12 voters this time.

name

1​

2​

3​

4​

5​

6​

7​

8​

9​

10​

NR

Total

Dickie Boon

4​

1​

3​

0​

0​

2​

0​

0​

0​

0​

2​

83​

Tom Paton

2​

1​

0​

3​

1​

0​

0​

1​

1​

1​

2​

62​

Harry Trihey

0​

3​

2​

1​

0​

0​

2​

0​

1​

1​

2​

61​

Jack Darragh

1​

1​

2​

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

2​

0​

4​

47​

Dubbie Kerr

0​

0​

1​

2​

1​

1​

2​

0​

1​

2​

2​

45​

Harry Hyland

1​

1​

1​

0​

0​

1​

1​

1​

2​

0​

4​

43​

Jack Adams

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

3​

1​

1​

3​

1​

1​

42​

Odie Cleghorn

2​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

1​

1​

1​

0​

5​

42​

Riley Hern

0​

3​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

1​

0​

2​

4​

41​

Harry Westwick

0​

1​

0​

1​

2​

0​

2​

0​

0​

1​

5​

37​

Eddie Oatman

1​

1​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

7​

30​

Bouse Hutton

0​

0​

2​

1​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

7​

27​

Harry Smith

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

0​

1​

2​

0​

0​

7​

24​

Smokey Harris

1​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

8​

21​

Shirley Davidson

0​

0​

0​

0​

2​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

9​

17​

Barney Stanley

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

2​

0​

0​

9​

12​

Blair Russell

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

10​

12​

Scotty Davidson

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

11​

6​

Art Gagne

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

11​

5​

Harry Watson

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

11​

2​

Bobby Rowe

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

11​

1​

Corb Denneny

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

12​

0​

Rusty Crawford

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

12​

0​

Graham Drinkwater

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

12​

0​

With these gaps, we have no choice but to only add the top 3: Boon, Paton and Trihey. We won't be adding anyone to the discussion for round 14. There will be 21 names, and the top-8 make it, and that's it. Project will end at 70 names.

 

[seventieslord]

Vote 14, the final vote: 11 voters.

name

1​

2​

3​

4​

5​

6​

7​

8​

9​

10​

NR

Total

Dubbie Kerr

3​

0​

1​

2​

1​

2​

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

70​

Jack Adams

0​

1​

2​

3​

1​

1​

1​

2​

0​

0​

0​

67​

Riley Hern

3​

1​

2​

0​

0​

0​

2​

0​

2​

0​

1​

67​

Jack Darragh

1​

2​

0​

1​

1​

0​

1​

2​

1​

0​

2​

53​

Bouse Hutton

0​

1​

3​

0​

2​

0​

1​

1​

0​

1​

2​

53​

Harry Hyland

1​

0​

1​

0​

1​

3​

0​

1​

1​

1​

2​

45​

Eddie Oatman

1​

2​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

3​

2​

1​

43​

Harry Smith

0​

0​

1​

2​

1​

1​

2​

0​

0​

1​

3​

42​

Shirley Davidson

1​

0​

0​

2​

0​

0​

3​

0​

1​

2​

2​

40​

Harry Westwick

1​

0​

1​

1​

1​

1​

0​

0​

0​

1​

5​

37​

Odie Cleghorn

0​

2​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

1​

1​

1​

4​

35​

Blair Russell

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

2​

1​

2​

4​

21​

Smokey Harris

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

9​

15​

Scotty Davidson

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

10​

9​

Barney Stanley

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

0​

0​

9​

8​

Art Gagne

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

11​

0​

Harry Watson

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

11​

0​

Bobby Rowe

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

11​

0​

Corb Denneny

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

11​

0​

Rusty Crawford

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

11​

0​

Graham Drinkwater

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

11​

0​

Harry Smith just barely makes it, Shirley Davidson barely misses.

Jack Adams beats Hern in a tiebreak by being ahead on 6 of 11 ballots. Darragh beats out Hutton by the same score.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Hey we did it! Well, this project was a lot of fun. I think we got all the right names in and I'm happy we added both goalies in the final round.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Strong consensus on the top 3, then it was like a shotgun