HOH Top-60 Pre-merger players: voting results

[seventieslord]

Vote 1: We had 15 of 16 members voting.

name

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NR

Total

Frank Nighbor

14​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

149​

Cyclone Taylor

1​

14​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

136​

Newsy Lalonde

0​

0​

13​

1​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

117​

Sprague Cleghorn

0​

0​

2​

6​

7​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

100​

Georges Vezina

0​

0​

0​

3​

2​

6​

2​

2​

0​

0​

0​

77​

Russell Bowie

0​

0​

0​

4​

5​

2​

1​

0​

1​

1​

1​

75​

Joe Malone

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

8​

2​

1​

1​

1​

53​

Eddie Gerard

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

2​

2​

2​

5​

3​

1​

37​

Clint Benedict

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

2​

1​

3​

3​

3​

3​

32​

Hod Stuart

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

1​

2​

1​

9​

17​

Tommy Phillips

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

2​

2​

2​

8​

17​

Cy Denneny

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

3​

1​

4​

7​

15​

#5 & 6 are too close to separate. Top-6 get in.

Click to read more...

 

[seventieslord]

....and if you see my reflection in the snow-covered hills....

 

[jigglysquishy]

Not surprisingly, only two players got votes in the top two.

I'm curious on the Cleghorn > Lalonde. It's an interesting placement, and I'd love a rationale. The more we talked the more I was convinced that Cleghorn is more the consensus number one defenseman than Vezina was goalie.

 

[Sturminator]

Not surprisingly, only two players got votes in the top two.

I find it surprising Frank Nighbor didn't sweep the voting, actually.

But to each, his own.

 

[Dr John Carlson]

I'm curious about the NR vote for Bowie, as it means at least one person had one of Stuart or Phillips from the same era ahead of him, which I really can't see.

 

[ResilientBeast]

I find it surprising Frank Nighbor didn't sweep the voting, actually.

But to each, his own.

I'm more surprised that those voters who put Taylor first on their initial ballots (wasn't me) changed their mind

 

[Sturminator]

I'm more surprised that those voters who put Taylor first on their initial ballots (wasn't me) changed their mind

Maybe they can read?

 

[ResilientBeast]

Maybe they can read?

It's impressive how difficult it is to enjoy any of our interactions

 

[Sturminator]

It's impressive how difficult it is to enjoy any of our interactions

I am Jack's utter lack of sympathy.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

I'm curious about the NR vote for Bowie, as it means at least one person had one of Stuart or Phillips from the same era ahead of him, which I really can't see.

I think Bowie is clearly ahead, but the argument for Tommy Phillips is that he was much more prolific in the Cup challenges than Bowie was.
Stuart vs Bowie? I don't know, but maybe they were both NR'd.

 

[seventieslord]

Vote 2: 15 of 16 participated.

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[TD]NR[/TD]
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[TD]Joe Malone[/TD]

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11​

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144​

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[TD]Eddie Gerard[/TD]

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3​

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[TD]

8​

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[TD]

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127​

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[TR]
[TD]Tommy Phillips[/TD]

[TD]

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[TD]

2​

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[TD]

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[TD]

99​

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[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Clint Benedict[/TD]

[TD]

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[TD]

2​

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[TD]

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[/TD]

[TD]

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[TD]

90​

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[TR]
[TD]Hugh Lehman[/TD]

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[TD]

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[TD]

1​

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[/TD]

[TD]

0​

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[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

76​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Frank Fredrickson[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

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0​

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3​

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66​

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[TD]Hod Stuart[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

1​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

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0​

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2​

[/TD]

[TD]

65​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Cy Denneny[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

3​

[/TD]

[TD]

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[TD]

1​

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[TD]

2​

[/TD]

[TD]

59​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Georges Boucher[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

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[TD]

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[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Moose Johnson[/TD]

[TD]

0​

[/TD]

[TD]

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[/TD]

[TD]

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[TD]Mickey MacKay[/TD]

[TD]

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[TR]
[TD]Lester Patrick[/TD]

[TD]

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[/TD]

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[TD]Babe Dye[/TD]

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[/TABLE]

I think we are now officially done the "easy" part of the project. A lot of consensus in this round (4 guys were on every list, over half of ballots had Malone/Gerard as 1/2, Dye nearly completely shut out) but I think it's the last time we'll see it this cut-and-dried.

Look at those gaps from 1 to 2 to 3, to 4, to 5, to 6. No question about the conclusion the group came to. I think it gets much tighter from here on.

Top-4 get in, to give us an easy 10. Six more into the discussion hopper for this week.

 

[jigglysquishy]

The huge spreads in voting is expected with this project. But I certainly wasn't expecting votes for Phillips at both 2 and NR.

I didn't expect to be the second highest vote for Lehman.

 

[Professor What]

I agree that we're past the easy part. The lists for the first two rounds very closely mirrored my personal list, but it's a lot more spread out now that we've seen the third list. I've got a feeling we're really going to start seeing votes all over the place from here on out.

 

[seventieslord]

Vote 3: 15 of 16 participated.

name

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6​

7​

8​

9​

10​

NR

Total

Hugh Lehman

6​

2​

1​

2​

2​

2​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

122​

Frank Fredrickson

2​

1​

6​

4​

1​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

116​

Hod Stuart

5​

3​

2​

1​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

2​

0​

109​

Cy Denneny

2​

3​

2​

2​

0​

1​

1​

1​

2​

1​

0​

94​

Georges Boucher

0​

0​

1​

3​

5​

3​

0​

3​

0​

0​

0​

83​

Frank McGee

0​

4​

0​

2​

2​

1​

0​

0​

0​

1​

5​

68​

Moose Johnson

0​

0​

0​

0​

3​

2​

4​

2​

1​

0​

3​

52​

Mickey MacKay

0​

1​

0​

0​

2​

1​

3​

1​

3​

0​

4​

47​

Lester Patrick

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

2​

3​

4​

2​

3​

35​

Frank Foyston

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

2​

2​

1​

2​

6​

31​

Harry Cameron

0​

1​

1​

0​

0​

1​

2​

0​

0​

1​

9​

31​

Duke Keats

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

1​

1​

1​

10​

17​

Didier Pitre

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

2​

2​

0​

11​

10​

Hap Holmes

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

3​

11​

8​

Babe Dye

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

2​

13​

2​

Top-5 get in.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Did I convince anyone to go Fredrickson>Denneny? I ended voting Denneny ahead anyways.

That McGee vote spread. 4 2nd place votes. 5 unranked.

Not a lot of discussion this past round.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Did I convince anyone to go Fredrickson>Denneny? I ended voting Denneny ahead anyways.

That McGee vote spread. 4 2nd place votes. 5 unranked.

Not a lot of discussion this past round.

I had Fredrickson 3rd, Denneny 6th. I have just never been very high on Denneny, relative to this tier of players.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Man when I look the ballot I submitted and the aggregate I'm all over the place.

 

[Habsfan18]

Man when I look the ballot I submitted and the aggregate I'm all over the place.

I think many of us were all over the place. I probably made about 200 edits and tweaks to my top-80 ballot and I’m not exaggerating. And looking at it again, I’d change my mind again on a few placements since submitting it.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Surprised Fredrickson got that much love, not that I complain. I had him high too.

I see him as the Ryan Getzlaf of pre-consolidation. A big guy who can excel against other top centers.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

It's a bit surprising Fredrickson went that much higher than MacKay and Keats, when they all ranked so close to each other in the centers project. But I guess Frank had his vocal supporters, and those of us who would vote for the other two as just as high were away.

 

[ResilientBeast]

I think many of us were all over the place. I probably made about 200 edits and tweaks to my top-80 ballot and I’m not exaggerating. And looking at it again, I’d change my mind again on a few placements since submitting it.

I mean when each round's aggregrate comes out

I was very high on the 3 Franks relative to the group

 

[Sturminator]

I think many of us were all over the place. I probably made about 200 edits and tweaks to my top-80 ballot and I’m not exaggerating. And looking at it again, I’d change my mind again on a few placements since submitting it.

One of the reasons I'm not in as a voter. Didn't feel I could honestly rate 80 players deep, and didn't have the time to get to that depth.

Surprised Fredrickson got that much love, not that I complain. I had him high too.

I see him as the Ryan Getzlaf of pre-consolidation. A big guy who can excel against other top centers.

That's fair...if Getzlaf was also almost always the best skater on the ice.

That's kinda a thing with Fredrickson tho.

 

[seventieslord]

Vote 4: 14 of 16 participated. Same person missed that missed votes 1-3, plus another:

name

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4​

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6​

7​

8​

9​

10​

NR

Total

Moose Johnson

4​

5​

0​

2​

0​

0​

2​

0​

1​

0​

1​

109​

Mickey MacKay

1​

2​

5​

2​

3​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

103​

Frank McGee

5​

2​

1​

1​

0​

1​

0​

1​

3​

0​

1​

97​

Duke Keats

2​

0​

4​

2​

1​

2​

1​

0​

1​

0​

2​

88​

Lester Patrick

1​

2​

0​

4​

2​

1​

0​

1​

2​

0​

2​

80​

Harry Cameron

1​

2​

1​

1​

1​

1​

1​

0​

1​

0​

6​

60​

Frank Foyston

0​

0​

2​

0​

0​

4​

3​

2​

0​

3​

1​

57​

Babe Dye

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

3​

1​

2​

1​

4​

4​

31​

George Hay

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

1​

1​

2​

0​

1​

8​

31​

Hap Holmes

0​

0​

0​

0​

2​

1​

1​

1​

0​

3​

7​

27​

Harvey Pulford

0​

0​

0​

0​

3​

0​

1​

0​

1​

1​

9​

25​

Mike Grant

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

0​

0​

2​

1​

1​

9​

24​

Didier Pitre

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

2​

1​

3​

0​

8​

24​

Art Ross

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

1​

12​

8​

Herb Gardiner

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

14​

6​

We could have held on for this other set of votes but it was highly unlikely to make a difference.

 

[jigglysquishy]

That vote spread is crazy. Everyone inducted got a non ranked.

Are we willing to name the non voter?

 

[seventieslord]

vote 5: 14 of 16 votes received.

name

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2​

3​

4​

5​

6​

7​

8​

9​

10​

NR

Total

Harry Cameron

8​

1​

3​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

2​

118​

Babe Dye

0​

2​

3​

3​

2​

1​

0​

0​

2​

1​

1​

85​

Harvey Pulford

1​

3​

1​

2​

0​

2​

1​

0​

1​

0​

4​

75​

Frank Foyston

0​

3​

1​

0​

3​

1​

3​

0​

0​

1​

3​

71​

Mike Grant

2​

2​

1​

1​

0​

2​

1​

0​

1​

0​

5​

69​

Didier Pitre

0​

1​

1​

1​

3​

1​

2​

2​

1​

1​

2​

64​

Hap Holmes

0​

0​

2​

1​

2​

3​

0​

2​

0​

1​

4​

57​

Art Ross

2​

0​

0​

2​

0​

2​

1​

2​

0​

0​

6​

54​

George Hay

1​

1​

1​

2​

0​

0​

1​

1​

2​

2​

4​

54​

Percy Lesueur

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

1​

3​

2​

0​

2​

5​

38​

Bernie Morris

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

2​

4​

1​

6​

26​

Joe Simpson

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

1​

1​

1​

10​

21​

Jack Walker

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

2​

11​

13​

Reg Noble

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

1​

0​

1​

0​

12​

12​

Herb Gardiner

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

0​

0​

0​

0​

2​

12​

8​

Tommy Dunderdale

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

0​

1​

1​

0​

13​

5​