HOH Top 60 Goaltenders of All Time (2024 Edition) - Round 2, Vote 8

[Dr John Carlson]

Procedure

• In this vote, you will be presented with 14 players based on their ranking in the Round 1 aggregate list
• Players will be listed in alphabetical order to avoid creating bias
• You will submit ten names in a ranked order, #1 through #10, without ties via PM to both @Dr John Carlson and @Professor What. That means four names out of these fourteen will be left unranked on your ballot.
• Use the same private message thread every week rather than starting a new PM
• Results of this vote will be posted after each voting cycle, but the individual ballots themselves will remain secret until the completion of this project
• The top 5 players will be added to the final list (unless a very large break exists at the spot between 4&5 (or 3&4!), or the break between 5&6 is minimal)
• Lists of players eligible for voting will grow as the project continues
• Voting threads will continue until we have added 60 names to the list, for a total of 12 voting threads

Eligible Voters

• Ballots from voters who have submitted an approved Round 1 ranking of 80 goaltenders (which was used to shape the aggregate list) will have their votes tabulated in the final ranking
• These voters are: @nabby12, @overpass, @frisco, @Professor What, @DN28, @jigglysquishy, @tony d, @rmartin65, @Vilica, @bobholly39, @The Pale King, @blogofmike, @Dr John Carlson, @MXD, @Michael Farkas, @ContrarianGoaltender, @VanIslander, @seventieslord, @Weztex

Guidelines

• Respect each other. No horseplay or sophistry!
• Please refrain from excessive use of the 'laughing' reaction to indicate disagreement / hold grudges
• Stay on topic and don't get caught up in talking about non-eligible players
• Participate, but retain an open mind throughout the discussion
• Do not speculate who cast any particular ballot. Do not make judgments about the mindset of whoever cast that particular ballot. All individual ballots will be revealed at the end of the project
• Anybody may participate in the discussion, whether they submitted a list or not

House Rules

• Any attempts to derail a discussion thread with disrespect to old-time hockey will be met with frontier justice
• Take a drink when someone mentions the number of hockey registrations in a given era
• Finish your drink when someone mentions that wins are a team stat

The actual voting period will open up on Friday, December 6th at midnight and continue through Sunday, December 8th at 11:59 PM Eastern time. I will release the results of the vote the morning of Monday, December 9th, at which point the next voting thread will begin.


Vote 8 Candidates

• Tom Barrasso
• Sergei Bobrovsky
• Alec Connell
• Marc-Andre Fleury
• Ed Giacomin
• Dave Kerr
• Percy LeSueur
• Mike Liut
• Tuukka Rask
• Chuck Rayner
• Pekka Rinne
• Jonathan Quick
• Rogie Vachon
• Gump Worsley

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[MXD]

... So there was a point to my post scriptum on Dave Kerr after all, haha!

Kerr, Rinne and Liut start this round in the upper half for me, possibly even upper half scoring positions.

Rask may just be the weakest candidate that could be up for voting in whole process, depending on how things go.

 

[Michael Farkas]

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I like Dave Kerr.

 

[blogofmike]

Looking at the votes, now might be the time to ask how much mileage Percy LeSueur gets out of having 3 solid performances in March 1906.

We should probably talk about Vachon vs Worsley.

I like playoff performers so Liut is an 80s guy I'm less likely to promote. For the MVP-ish year guys I would have Liut above a Chuck Rayner though.

Pekka Rinne has solid playoff stats but always felt like he was a house of cards and he spent a lot of time behind defense-first teams. Rask also played behind sound defensive teams, but I feel he answered the bell more often and wasn't as easy an out.

I don't mean to be disrespectful, but I like Dave Kerr.

I am shocked and offended.

 

[jigglysquishy]

Vezina Shares

Stolen from @TheDevilMadeMe 's methodology and updated to 2024

There are 22 goalies with a 1.0 share or higher

	Goalie	Times	Share
1	Martin Brodeur	15	5.40
2	Dominik Hasek	11	4.76
3	Patrick Roy	17	4.63
4	Connor Hellebucyk	5	2.63
5	Ed Belfour	11	2.51
6	Pekka Rinne	5	2.12
7	Andrei Vasilevsky	6	2.05
8	Tom Barrasso	7	1.98
9	Sergei Bobrovsky	6	1.97
10	Henrik Lundqvist	10	1.93
11	Grant Fuhr	8	1.84
12	Braden Holtby	3	1.68
13	Roberto Luongo	9	1.66
14	Tim Thomas	3	1.55
15	John Vanbiesbrouck	9	1.52
16	Tuukka Rask	5	1.50
17	Miikka Kiprusoff	7	1.44
18	Carey Price	7	1.40
19	Evgeni Nabokov	6	1.23
20	Curtis Joseph	8	1.02
21	Pete Peeters	3	1.02
22	Igor Shesterkin	3	1.02

Bolded are eligible. Italicized are inducted

Fleury is at 0.86, Quick at 0.75.

Times top 3
Barrasso - 5 (1,2,2,2,3)
Rinne - 4 (1,2,2,3)
Bobrovsky - 3 (1,1,3)
Liut - 2 (1,2)
Rask - 2 (1,2)
Quick - 2 (2,3)
Fleury 1 - (1)


All-Star Team Finishes (1945 onwards)

Player	First	Second	Third	Total	Weighted Total
Ed Giacomin	1​	3​	0​	4​	14​
Tom Barrasso	1​	2​	1​	4​	12​
Sergei Bobrovsky	2​	0​	1​	3​	11​
Pekka Rinne	1​	1​	2​	4​	10​
Mike Liut	1​	1​	1​	3​	9​
Chuck Rayner	0​	3​	0​	3​	9​
Gump Worsley	1​	1​	0​	2​	8​
Tuukka Rask	1​	1​	0​	2​	8​
Rogatien Vachon	0​	2​	0​	2​	6​
Jonathan Quick	0​	1​	1​	2​	4​
Marc-Andre Fleury	0​	1​	0​	1​	3​

 

[blogofmike]

All-Star Team Finishes (1945 onwards)

Player	First	Second	Third	Total	Weighted Total
Ed Giacomin	1​	3​	0​	4​	14​
Tom Barrasso	1​	2​	1​	4​	12​
Sergei Bobrovsky	2​	0​	1​	3​	11​
Pekka Rinne	1​	1​	2​	4​	10​
Mike Liut	1​	1​	1​	3​	9​
Chuck Rayner	0​	3​	0​	3​	9​
Gump Worsley	1​	1​	0​	2​	8​
Tuukka Rask	1​	1​	0​	2​	8​
Rogatien Vachon	0​	2​	0​	2​	6​
Jonathan Quick	0​	1​	1​	2​	4​
Marc-Andre Fleury	0​	1​	0​	1​	3​

Funny thing about the awards voting is that Quick starts off high on my ballot this round while Giacomin is potentially an NR again.

Johnjm22 over on the King's board very kindly dug up the clip of Quick I mentioned upthread. Check out his mentality/mindset after giving up seven goals in the game 2 loss in 2014. How critical do you think this was in the infamous reverse sweep? Starts around the :46 second mark.

Quick may be the top name for me this round, but this is soft, participant ribbon nonsense that makes Quick look like a girly man.

You want a real man? A real man punches an armed mobster in his face to get a goal disallowed. Alec Connell was a REAL MAN.