HOH Top 60 Goaltenders of All Time (2024 Edition) - Round 2, Vote 10

DN28 · Sunday at 4:22 AM

1930-1931
Source: 1930-31 Goalie Stats
Reg. season covered by 52 %.

Rank	Name	Min. Played Recorded	Min. Played Total	Min. Played Missing	% of TOI Measured	GP Recorded	GP Total	% of GP Measured	GA Recorded	GA Official	GA Missing	Saves Recorded	Saves Missing	SA Recorded	SA Missing	SV% Recorded	SOG/60	Full Season SV% Est.	GSAA Recorded	Full Season Projected GSAA
1.	Charlie Gardiner	900	2710	1810	33.21%	15	44	34.09%	19	78	59	446	876	465	935	0.959	31.00	0.944	14.53	25.62
2.	Roy Worters	1900	2760	860	68.84%	30	44	68.18%	39	74	35	845	365	884	400	0.956	27.92	0.942	24.74	21.04
3.	John Ross Roach	1760	2760	1000	63.77%	28	44	63.64%	41	87	46	835	452	876	498	0.953	29.86	0.937	22.16	14.67
4.	Lorne Chabot	510	2300	1790	22.17%	8	37	21.62%	16	80	64	266	926	282	990	0.943	33.18	0.937	4.33	14.12
5.	Dolly Dolson	1260	2750	1490	45.82%	20	44	45.45%	47	105	58	662	780	709	838	0.934	33.76	0.932	4.12	9.52
6.	Tiny Thompson	1350	2730	1380	49.45%	22	44	50.00%	38	90	52	624	625	662	677	0.943	29.42	0.933	9.73	9.08
7.	Dave Kerr	740	1830	1090	40.44%	12	31	38.71%	29	71	42	367	541	396	583	0.927	32.11	0.927	-0.45	1.48
8.	George Hainsworth	810	2740	1930	29.56%	13	44	29.55%	22	89	67	326	762	348	829	0.937	25.78	0.924	3.09	-1.88
9.	Jake Forbes	120	120	0	100.00%	2	2	100.00%	7	7	0	60	0	67	0	0.896	33.50	0.896	-2.17	-2.04
10.	Benny Grant	250	430	180	58.14%	4	7	57.14%	5	19	14	116	73	121	87	0.959	29.04	0.909	3.72	-3.60
11.	Flat Walsh	310	900	590	34.44%	5	16	31.25%	9	35	26	134	246	143	272	0.937	27.68	0.916	1.31	-4.27
12.	Bill Beveridge	460	520	60	88.46%	8	9	88.89%	30	32	2	205	29	235	31	0.872	30.65	0.880	-13.06	-12.34
13.	Joe Miller	860	821	-39	104.75%	15	15	100.00%	50	47	-3	381	-17	431	-20	0.884	30.07	0.886	-18.92	-16.55
14.	Alec Connell	1330	2190	860	60.73%	22	36	61.11%	58	110	52	703	440	761	492	0.924	34.33	0.912	-3.13	-17.26
15.	Wilf Cude	1740	1779	39	97.81%	29	29	100.00%	127	130	3	942	21	1069	24	0.881	36.86	0.881	-49.93	-49.11
		14300	27340	13040	52.30%	233	446	52.24%	537	1054	517	6912	6276	7449	6793	0.9279	31.25	0.9260

Playoffs, 40% complete data.

Rank	Name	Min. Played Recorded	Min. Played Total	Min. Played Missing	% of TOI Measured	GP Recorded	GP Total	% of GP Measured	GA Recorded	GA Official	GA Missing	Saves Recorded	Saves Missing	SA Recorded	SA Missing	SV% Recorded	SOG/60	Full Season SV% Est.	GSAA	Full Season Projected GSAA
1.	Charlie Gardiner	385	638	253	60.34%	6	9	66.67%	7	14	7	199	128	206	135	0.966	32.10	0.959	2.25	4.87
2.	John Ross Roach	180	240	60	75.00%	3	4	75.00%	4	4	0	78	27	82	27	0.951	27.33	0.963	-0.32	2.04
3.	Lorne Chabot	60	139	79	43.17%	1	2	50.00%	2	4	2	42	56	44	58	0.955	44.00	0.961	-0.02	1.63
4.	Tiny Thompson	0	343	343	0.00%	0	5	0.00%	0	13	13	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA
5.	George Hainsworth	205	722	517	28.39%	3	10	30.00%	3	21	18	93	224	96	242	0.969	28.10	0.938	1.31	-2.31
6.	Dave Kerr	60	120	60	50.00%	1	2	50.00%	5	8	3	35	37	40	40	0.875	40.00	0.900	-3.20	-3.58
		890	2202	1312	40.42%	14	32	43.75%	21	64	43	447	647	468	690	0.9551	31.55	0.9447

- official NHL all-stars:
1. Charlie Gardiner
2. Tiny Thompson
3. Roy Worters
4. George Hainsworth
5. John Ross Roach
6. Lorne Chabot

- no goalie featured in Hart voting

Connell’s last season in Ottawa was rough.

Gardiner continues to post great stats in line with his voting record.

Worters had another great season. Played for team with almost no recognizable names that finished outside playoffs, yet got into +20 GSAA territory in 44 games.

DN28 · Sunday at 4:42 AM

1931-1932
Source: 1931-32 Goalie Stats
Reg. season, 34% complete data.

Rank	Name	Min. Played Recorded	Min. Played Total	Min. Played Missing	% of TOI Measured	GP Recorded	GP Total	% of GP Measured	GA Recorded	GA Official	GA Missing	Saves Recorded	Saves Missing	SA Recorded	SA Missing	SV% Recorded	SOG/60	Full Season SV% Est.	GSAA Recorded	Full Season Projected GSAA
1.	Charlie Gardiner	760	2989	2229	25.43%	12	48	25.00%	21	92	71	396	1152	417	1223	0.950	32.92	0.944	6.86	31.78
2.	Lorne Chabot	690	2698	2008	25.57%	11	44	25.00%	18	106	88	426	1204	444	1292	0.959	38.61	0.939	11.66	25.04
3.	Alec Connell	1370	3040	1670	45.07%	21	48	43.75%	48	108	60	665	809	713	869	0.933	31.23	0.932	-0.37	11.42
4.	George Hainsworth	930	3008	2078	30.92%	15	48	31.25%	39	110	71	434	986	473	1057	0.918	30.52	0.928	-7.40	5.47
5.	Moe Roberts	60	60	0	100.00%	1	1	100.00%	1	1	0	29	0	30	0	0.967	30.00	0.967	1.00	1.26
6.	Benny Grant	0	319	319	0.00%	0	5	0.00%	0	18	18	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA
7.	Percy Jackson	0	230	230	0.00%	0	4	0.00%	0	8	8	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA
8.	Dave Kerr	0	60	60	0.00%	0	1	0.00%	0	6	6	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA
9.	Al Shields	0	37	37	0.00%	0	2	0.00%	0	7	7	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA
10.	Harold Starr	0	3	3	0.00%	0	1	0.00%	0	0	0	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA
11.	Albert Leduc	0	2	2	0.00%	0	1	0.00%	0	1	1	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA
12.	King Clancy	0	1	1	0.00%	0	1	0.00%	0	1	1	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA
13.	Red Horner	0	1	1	0.00%	0	1	0.00%	0	1	1	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA
14.	Alex Levinsky	0	1	1	0.00%	0	1	0.00%	0	1	1	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA
15.	Normie Smith	330	1267	937	26.05%	5	20	25.00%	15	62	47	197	555	212	602	0.929	38.55	0.924	-0,84	-0,57
16.	John Ross Roach	1610	3010	1400	53.49%	26	48	54.17%	57	112	55	727	627	784	682	0.927	29.22	0.924	-4,63	-1,37
17.	Jake Forbes	120	360	240	33.33%	2	6	33.33%	7	16	9	56	117	63	126	0.889	31.50	0.915	-2,79	-1,73
18.	Flat Walsh	310	1730	1420	17.92%	5	28	17.86%	11	77	66	159	713	170	779	0.935	32.90	0.919	0,36	-5,39
19.	Wilf Cude	120	161	41	74.53%	2	3	66.67%	6	15	9	67	16	73	25	0.918	36.50	0.847	-1,12	-7,61
20.	Tiny Thompson	520	2700	2180	19.26%	8	43	18.60%	8	103	95	230	903	238	998	0.966	27.46	0.917	7,90	-9,73
21.	Roy Worters	1500	2463	963	60.90%	24	40	60.00%	61	112	51	692	432	753	483	0.919	30.12	0.909	-10,70	-18,68
		8320	24140	15820	34.47%	132	394	33.50%	292	957	665	4078	7644	4370	8309	0.9332	31.51	0.9245

Playoffs, 79% complete data.

Rank	Name	Min. Played Recorded	Min. Played Total	Min. Played Missing	% of TOI Measured	GP Recorded	GP Total	% of GP Measured	GA Recorded	GA Official	GA Missing	Saves Recorded	Saves Missing	SA Recorded	SA Missing	SV% Recorded	SOG/60	Full Season SV% Est.	GSAA Recorded	Full Season Projected GSAA
1.	Flat Walsh	198	258	60	76.74%	3	4	75.00%	4	5	1	141	43	145	44	0.972	43.94	0.974	6.74	7.73
2.	Alec Connell	60	120	60	50.00%	1	2	50.00%	2	3	1	45	46	47	47	0.957	47.00	0.968	1.48	3.33
3.	Lorne Chabot	438	438	0	100.00%	7	7	100.00%	15	15	0	216	0	231	0	0.935	31.64	0.935	2.12	0.57
4.	Charlie Gardiner	120	120	0	100.00%	2	2	100.00%	6	6	0	71	0	77	0	0.922	38.50	0.922	-0.29	-0.81
5.	George Hainsworth	180	300	120	60.00%	3	4	75.00%	9	13	4	89	61	98	65	0.908	32.67	0.920	-1.74	-1.99
6.	John Ross Roach	360	478	118	75.31%	6	7	85.71%	24	27	3	188	66	212	69	0.887	35.33	0.904	-8.29	-8.03
		1356	1714	358	79.11%	22	26	84.62%	60	69	9	750	205	810	214	0.9259	35.84	0.9326

- official NHL all-stars:
1. Charlie Gardiner
2. Roy Worters
3. Tiny Thompson
4. George Hainsworth
5. John Ross Roach
6. Lorne Chabot
7. Alec Connell

- no goalie featured in Hart voting

Relatively limited set of data but I’m not surprised to see Gardiner at the top again. Worters finished 2nd all-star with the worst regular season stats. Either the team worsened further in spite of Worters‘ best effort, or he benefited from his excellent past seasons.

Connell moved to Detroit and seemingly improved based on stats but he got almost no support in the media all-star vote.

Chabot continues to post great SV% and GSAA, season after season. At this point it’s clear he’s a goalie who looks better in numbers than in the award voting. Even though his teams always placed inside the playoffs, he just didn’t get enough voting support.

Roach’s last NYR season (RS and PO) looks bad. From this point of view, it doesn’t look surprising Rangers let him go.

First time Thompson recorded below average stats but as you can see, there were not a lot of his games with shots/saves. Normally I would still be inclined to believe Thompson had a down season since the Bruins missed the playoffs first time in 5 years. But he finished 3rd in the all-star voting…

DN28 · Sunday at 5:04 AM

1932-1933
Source: 1932-33 Goalie Stats
Reg. season, 57% complete data.

Rank	Name	Min. Played Recorded	Min. Played Total	Min. Played Missing	% of TOI Measured	GP Recorded	GP Total	% of GP Measured	GA Recorded	GA Official	GA Missing	Saves Recorded	Saves Missing	SA Recorded	SA Missing	SV% Recorded	SOG/60	Full Season SV% Est.	GSAA Recorded	Full Season Projected GSAA
1.	Charlie Gardiner	1130	3010	1880	37.54%	18	48	37.50%	37	101	64	661	1097	698	1161	0.947	37.06	0.946	13.54	27.13
2.	Tiny Thompson	1180	3000	1820	39.33%	19	48	39.58%	31	88	57	560	855	591	912	0.948	30.05	0.941	11.79	15.55
3.	John Ross Roach	740	2970	2230	24.92%	12	48	25.00%	34	93	59	346	1086	380	1145	0.911	30.81	0.939	-6.49	12.11
4.	Lorne Chabot	2328	2946	618	79.02%	38	48	79.17%	96	111	15	1274	349	1370	364	0.930	35.31	0.936	3.19	8.48
5.	Andy Aitkenhead	1310	2970	1660	44.11%	21	48	43.75%	49	107	58	655	834	704	892	0.930	32.24	0.933	1.97	3.00
6.	Dave Kerr	1430	1620	190	88.27%	23	26	88.46%	54	58	4	716	98	770	102	0.930	32.31	0.934	1.75	2.12
7.	Jake Forbes	70	70	0	100.00%	1	1	100.00%	2	2	0	41	0	43	0	0.953	36.86	0.953	1.11	0.96
8.	Charlie Conacher	4	4	0	100.00%	2	2	100.00%	0	0	0	6	0	6	0	1.000	90.00	1.000	0.43	0.41
9.	Hugh Plaxton	57	57	0	100.00%	1	1	100.00%	5	5	0	31	0	36	0	0.861	37.89	0.861	-2.39	-2.52
10.	Alec Connell	528	977	449	54.04%	9	16	56.25%	22	42	20	253	214	275	234	0.920	31.25	0.917	-2.09	-6.93
11.	Bill Beveridge	1932	2063	131	93.65%	31	33	93.94%	87	89	2	1020	73	1107	75	0.921	34.38	0.925	-6.85	-7.54
12.	Flat Walsh	933	1303	370	71.60%	16	22	72.73%	38	56	18	417	162	455	180	0.916	29.26	0.912	-5.06	-12.21
13.	George Hainsworth	2380	2980	600	79.87%	38	48	79.17%	84	115	31	1035	251	1119	282	0.925	28.21	0.918	-2.98	-18.44
14.	Roy Worters	1320	2970	1650	44.44%	21	47	44.68%	49	116	67	520	644	569	711	0.914	25.86	0.909	-7.80	-27.77
		15342	26940	11598	56.95%	250	436	57.34%	588	983	395	7535	5746	8123	6141	0.9276	31.77	0.9311

Playoffs, 100% complete data.

Rank	Name	Min. Played Recorded	Min. Played Total	Min. Played Missing	% of TOI Measured	GP Recorded	GP Total	% of GP Measured	GA Recorded	GA Official	GA Missing	Saves Recorded	Saves Missing	SA Recorded	SA Missing	SV% Recorded	SOG/60	Full Season SV% Est.	GSAA
1.	Tiny Thompson	438	438	0	100.00%	5	5	100.00%	9	9	0	248	0	257	0	0.965	35.21	0.965	4.97
2.	Lorne Chabot	686	686	0	100.00%	9	9	100.00%	18	18	0	354	0	372	0	0.952	32.54	0.952	2.22
3.	Andy Aitkenhead	488	488	0	100.00%	8	8	100.00%	13	13	0	263	0	276	0	0.953	33.93	0.953	2.01
4.	Dave Kerr	120	120	0	100.00%	2	2	100.00%	5	5	0	52	0	57	0	0.912	28.50	0.912	-1.90
5.	John Ross Roach	240	240	0	100.00%	4	4	100.00%	8	8	0	87	0	95	0	0.916	23.75	0.916	-2.84
6.	George Hainsworth	120	120	0	100.00%	2	2	100.00%	8	8	0	57	0	65	0	0.877	32.50	0.877	-4.47
		2092	2092	0	100.00%	30	30	100.00%	61	61	0	1061	0	1122	0	0.9456	32.18	0.9456

- official NHL all-stars:
1. John Ross Roach
2. Charlie Gardiner
3. Roy Worters
4. Tiny Thompson
5. Lorne Chabot
6. Dave Kerr

- unofficial NHL coaches/GMs all-stars:
1. Charlie Gardiner
2. Roy Worters

- according to Hart voting:
1. John Ross Roach (3rd in Hart)

Roach had one of his best career seasons after playing in Detroit but the stats still endorse Gardiner as a netminder tier above others.

For a 2nd season in a row, Worters was getting a good voting support from media and coaches in spite of posting the worst stats by far.

DN28 · Sunday at 5:25 AM

1933-1934
Source: 1933-34 Goalie Stats
Reg. season, 84% complete data.

Rank	Name	Min. Played Recorded	Min. Played Total	Min. Played Missing	% of TOI Measured	GP Recorded	GP Total	% of GP Measured	GA Recorded	GA Official	GA Missing	Saves Recorded	Saves Missing	SA Recorded	SA Missing	SV% Recorded	SOG/60	Full Season SV% Est.	GSAA Recorded	Full Season Projected GSAA
1.	Andy Aitkenhead	2060	2990	930	68.90%	33	48	68.75%	88	113	25	1211	561	1299	586	0.932	37.83	0.940	12.54	29.38
2.	Charlie Gardiner	2100	3050	950	68.85%	33	48	68.75%	63	83	20	957	441	1020	461	0.938	29.14	0.944	15.95	28.87
3.	Wilf Cude	1600	1920	320	83.33%	25	30	83.33%	42	47	5	694	142	736	147	0.943	27.60	0.947	14.97	19.70
4.	Lorne Chabot	2928	2928	0	100.00%	47	47	100.00%	101	101	0	1387	0	1488	0	0.932	30.49	0.932	14.17	11.37
5.	Roy Worters	1677	2240	563	74.87%	27	36	75.00%	58	75	17	705	239	763	256	0.924	27.30	0.926	1.06	1.96
6.	Percy Jackson	0	60	60	0.00%	0	1	0.00%	0	9	9	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA
7.	Doug Young	0	21	21	0.00%	0	1	0.00%	0	1	1	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA	NA
8.	Alec Connell	43	40	-3	107.50%	1	1	100.00%	2	2	0	19	-1	21	-1	0.905	29.30	0.898	-0.37	-0.52
9.	Abbie Cox	133	133	0	100.00%	3	3	100.00%	8	8	0	43	0	51	0	0.843	23.01	0.843	-4.05	-4.15
10.	Tiny Thompson	2230	2979	749	74.86%	36	48	75.00%	95	128	33	1122	376	1217	409	0.922	32.74	0.921	-0.80	-5.23
11.	George Hainsworth	2890	3010	120	96.01%	46	48	95.83%	116	119	3	1308	56	1424	59	0.919	29.56	0.920	-5.78	-7.00
12.	Benny Grant	250	320	70	78.13%	4	5	80.00%	13	18	5	87	23	100	28	0.870	24.00	0.859	-5.26	-8.33
13.	John Ross Roach	751	1030	279	72.91%	13	18	72.22%	32	45	13	312	115	344	128	0.907	27.48	0.905	-5.37	-9.37
14.	Moe Roberts	276	336	60	82.14%	5	6	83.33%	23	25	2	130	31	153	33	0.850	33.26	0.866	-11.16	-10.93
15.	Dave Kerr	3000	3060	60	98.04%	47	48	97.92%	119	122	3	1316	26	1435	29	0.917	28.70	0.917	-7.93	-11.47
16.	Bill Beveridge	2940	3000	60	98.00%	47	48	97.92%	139	143	4	1418	28	1557	32	0.911	31.78	0.910	-18.49	-23.02
		22878	27117	4239	84.37%	367	436	84.17%	899	1039	140	10709	2011	11608	2151	0.9226	30.44	0.9245

Playoffs, 100% complete data.

Rank	Name	Min. Played Recorded	Min. Played Total	Min. Played Missing	% of TOI Measured	GP Recorded	GP Total	% of GP Measured	GA Recorded	GA Official	GA Missing	Saves Recorded	Saves Missing	SA Recorded	SA Missing	SV% Recorded	SOG/60	Full Season SV% Est.	GSAA
1.	Charlie Gardiner	542	542	0	100.00%	8	8	100.00%	12	12	0	216	0	228	0	0.947	25.24	0.947	1.50
2.	Andy Aitkenhead	120	120	0	100.00%	2	2	100.00%	2	2	0	56	0	58	0	0.966	29.00	0.966	1.43
3.	Lorne Chabot	131	131	0	100.00%	2	2	100.00%	4	4	0	76	0	80	0	0.950	36.64	0.950	0.74
4.	Dave Kerr	240	240	0	100.00%	4	4	100.00%	7	7	0	123	0	130	0	0.946	32.50	0.946	0.69
5.	Wilf Cude	593	593	0	100.00%	9	9	100.00%	21	21	0	325	0	346	0	0.939	35.01	0.939	-0.52
6.	George Hainsworth	302	302	0	100.00%	5	5	100.00%	11	11	0	110	0	121	0	0.909	24.04	0.909	-3.84
		1928	1928	0	100.00%	30	30	100.00%	57	57	0	906	0	963	0	0.9408	29.97	0.9408

- official NHL all-stars:
1. Charlie Gardiner
2. Roy Worters
3. Tiny Thompson
4. Wilf Cude
5. George Hainsworth
6. Andy Aitkenhead
7. Dave Kerr
8. Lorne Chabot & Bill Beveridge

- unofficial NHL coaches/GMs all-stars:
1. Charlie Gardiner
2. Roy Worters
3. Tiny Thompson & Wilf Cude
5. George Hainsworth

- according to Hart voting:
1. Roy Worters (5th in Hart)

Surprising name at the top of the list. Andy Aitkenhead posted great stats in 1934 but it didn’t project itself into NHL all-stars as much. Gardiner’s last season was as good as it gets.

Chabot had yet another very good season statistically that both members of the press and coaches/GMs declined to recognize. Worth pointing out that Chabot’s all 4 playoffs (1931-1934) were above average too (from the SV% vantage point).

On the other side of things, I’d expect Tiny Thompson to fare worse in the voting. 1934 was the season of Baily-Shore incident. Shore’s suspension lasted 16 games and the Bruins missed the playoffs.

DN28 · Sunday at 5:43 AM

1934-1935
Source: 1934-35 Goalie Stats
Reg. season, 86% complete data.

Rank	Name	Min. Played Recorded	Min. Played Total	Min. Played Missing	% of TOI Measured	GP Recorded	GP Total	% of GP Measured	GA Recorded	GA Official	GA Missing	Saves Recorded	Saves Missing	SA Recorded	SA Missing	SV% Recorded	SOG/60	Full Season SV% Est.	GSAA Recorded	Full Season Projected GSAA
1.	Dave Kerr	1540	2287	747	67.34%	25	37	67.57%	64	94	30	984	478	1048	508	0.939	40.83	0.940	19.00	28.47
2.	Lorne Chabot	2260	2940	680	76.87%	37	48	77.08%	70	88	18	1025	311	1095	329	0.936	29.07	0.938	16.72	24.09
3.	Alec Connell	2970	2970	0	100.00%	48	48	100.00%	92	92	0	1240	0	1332	0	0.931	26.91	0.931	13.49	12.82
4.	Tiny Thompson	2720	2970	250	91.58%	44	48	91.67%	96	112	16	1225	105	1321	121	0.927	29.14	0.922	8.62	1.51
5.	Charlie Conacher	3	3	0	100.00%	1	1	100.00%	0	0	0	4	0	4	0	1.000	80.00	1.000	0.32	0.31
6.	Bill Beveridge	2540	2990	450	84.95%	41	48	85.42%	127	144	17	1427	258	1554	275	0.918	36.71	0.921	-3.92	-0.05
7.	George Hainsworth	2957	2957	0	100.00%	48	48	100.00%	111	111	0	1285	0	1396	0	0.920	28.33	0.920	-0.44	-1.15
8.	Normie Smith	1360	1550	190	87.74%	22	25	88.00%	47	52	5	502	72	549	77	0.914	24.22	0.917	-3.52	-2.76
9.	Andy Aitkenhead	550	610	60	90.16%	9	10	90.00%	34	37	3	355	39	389	42	0.913	42.44	0.914	-3.19	-3.05
10.	Percy Jackson	60	60	0	100.00%	1	1	100.00%	8	8	0	29	0	37	0	0.784	37.00	0.784	-5.07	-5.09
11.	John Ross Roach	1340	1460	120	91.78%	21	23	91.30%	54	62	8	581	49	635	57	0.915	28.43	0.910	-3.71	-7.56
12.	Wilf Cude	2900	2960	60	97.97%	47	48	97.92%	144	145	1	1461	32	1605	33	0.910	33.21	0.911	-16.88	-16.09
13.	Roy Worters	1940	3000	1060	64.67%	31	48	64.58%	99	142	43	882	493	981	536	0.899	30.34	0.906	-21.30	-22.62
		23140	26757	3617	86.48%	375	433	86.61%	946	1087	141	11000	1726	11946	1867	0.9208	30.97	0.9213

Playoffs, 100% complete data.

Rank	Name	Min. Played Recorded	Min. Played Total	Min. Played Missing	% of TOI Measured	GP Recorded	GP Total	% of GP Measured	GA Recorded	GA Official	GA Missing	Saves Recorded	Saves Missing	SA Recorded	SA Missing	SV% Recorded	SOG/60	Full Season SV% Est.	GSAA
1.	Lorne Chabot	125	125	0	100.00%	2	2	100.00%	1	1	0	59	0	60	0	0.983	28.80	0.983	2.16
2.	Alec Connell	430	430	0	100.00%	7	7	100.00%	8	8	0	181	0	189	0	0.958	26.37	0.958	1.95
3.	Tiny Thompson	275	275	0	100.00%	4	4	100.00%	7	7	0	146	0	153	0	0.954	33.38	0.954	1.05
4.	Dave Kerr	240	240	0	100.00%	4	4	100.00%	10	10	0	156	0	166	0	0.940	41.50	0.940	-1.26
5.	George Hainsworth	460	460	0	100.00%	7	7	100.00%	12	12	0	180	0	192	0	0.938	25.04	0.938	-1.89
6.	Wilf Cude	120	120	0	100.00%	2	2	100.00%	6	6	0	70	0	76	0	0.921	38.00	0.921	-2.00
		1650	1650	0	100.00%	26	26	100.00%	44	44	0	792	0	836	0	0.9474	30.40	0.9474

- official NHL all-stars:
1. Lorne Chabot
2. Tiny Thompson
3. Roy Worters
4. Alec Connell
5. George Hainsworth
6. Dave Kerr
7. Wilf Cude

- unofficial NHL coaches/GM all-stars:
1. Tiny Thompson
2. Roy Worters
3. Lorne Chabot, Wilf Cude & Alec Connell all mentioned with an undisclosed number of votes

- no goalie featured in Hart voting

Chabot got finally recognized by the media. However coaches or GMs saw more value in Thompson and Worters. Although none of the two look too great in SV% and GSAA. Boston won the American division and had plenty of HOFers in the lineup. Worters once again comes worst with regards to numbers.

Alec Connell’s bounce back season indeed looks good. Reg. season and playoffs combined, him and Chabot appear the best goalkeepers of this season.

Good for Dave Kerr breaking out. But it can be pointed out that the Lester Patrick’s Rangers provided really good environment for their goalies and their SV%. I don’t mean just the roster filled with quality players but also a pattern discussed rounds ago and also present in these reconstructed SV% data – Rangers consistently allowed higher volume of shots against. The pattern isn’t existing in absolutely every season but is very much pronounced here in 1935 – Kerr and Aitkenhead having SOG/60 above 40.

DN28 · Sunday at 5:57 AM

Summary:

Charlie Gardiner

We have a confirmation that Gardiner’s peak is as good as advertised. Shame how short his career was.

Roy Worters

Surprisingly inconsistent, up-and-down statistical resumé. Some seasons with excellent stats, some seasons with the worst league stats. While Gardiner’s voting record matches the numbers, Worters' decade-straight top-3 all-star placements don’t align with his SV% and GSAA finishes. There is at least a discovery that his Hart winning, or Hart nominee seasons tended to be seasons during which he performed well according to available statistics. There was no Al Rollins 1954 „Thank you for your effort“ Hart winning season with Worters.

Tiny Thompson

Thompson’s record is in my opinion nothing that moves the needle either way. His stats are mostly good, above average, as they should be given the team he played for. In this time frame we were looking at Thompson had two below average reg. seasons. 1932 and 1934 which coincide with the only two 1930s Boston Bruins reg. seasons of not qualifying for playoffs. Case for Thompson would be a lot stronger if we were to see him sort of transcending his team’s performance even in these two instances of Bruins slipping.

George Hainsworth

If there is a goalie whose disappointed me in this examination, it will be Hainsworth. I have no doubt that Hainsworth was one of the best netminders in the world between 1926-1930. However during 1931-1935 Hainsworth was removed from the elite, posting below average numbers both reg. season and playoffs. The project earlier also revealed very underwhelming OHA part of Hainsworth career and we’re now left with a goalie of great 5-season prime and that’s that. Before the project started I had higher view of Hainsworth’s career.

Alec Connell

Connel’s statistical performance mostly match the voting record except for the 1932 Detroit season where he looks good on paper, both reg. season and playoffs, but barely received any all-star votes. Outside very good 1927 & 1928, Connell’s great 1935 season is confirmed by the numbers.

John Ross Roach

I would expect Roach coming out better than he did. He was certainly not a save percentage star of his era. At least we should remember that the covered time frame doesn’t include a lot of Roach’s NHL seasons.

Lorne Chabot

Chabot is the winner of this exercise. Over 1927-1935, he played for 4 different teams. Every single season he posted above average regular season and playoffs. There is 5 playoffs in row (1931-1935) with pretty decent statistical coverage where Chabot never failed to deliver SV% above the average. Chabot’s award recognition was clearly below all the forementioned goaltenders but the numbers paints a lot more charitable picture of his career.

nabby12 · Sunday at 8:34 AM

DN28 said:
Summary:

Charlie Gardiner

We have a confirmation that Gardiner’s peak is as good as advertised. Shame how short his life was.

Great recap and stats on these seasons!

jigglysquishy · Monday at 9:42 AM

A few quotes about Ed Giacomin

Toledo Blade · ‎Jun 6, 1969

"Ed Giacomin was the best goalie in the league last season, but he didn't get the Vezina or make the first All-Star team," Ranger coach Emile Francis said, "Durability should count for more than it does."

The Calgary Herald · ‎Apr 2, 1969

The Rangers seem to have the edge in goalkeeping [vs. Montreal and Gump Worsley]. In Ed Giacomin, they have the top netminder in the Eastern Division.

The Sun · ‎Jan 16, 1967

There was a time when Ed Giacomin used to travel extensively about the area of his New York Ranger goal. While he was absent, the opposition occasionally scored. Emile Francis, the Ranger coach and GM, told Giacomin if he planned to be the leauge's best goaltender he should stay in his net. Giacomin listened, and in the space of two and of-half months, has become the best goaltender in the NHL.

The Calgary Herald · ‎Dec 4, 1984

What's wrong with today's netminders?
It wasn't so long ago that Mike Liut was considered the best goalie in the NHL. Now, St. Louis talks of "upgrading" its goaltending.

It wasn't so long ago that Mario Lessard was an NHL all-star. Now, he is a New Haven Nighthawk. Twice in the past two seasons he has been rejected by the LA Kings, a team in need of a goaltender.

It wasn't so long ago that Don Beaupre was considered hockey's brightest young goaltender. Now, the North Stars of Minnesota talk of trading Beaupre, if anyone will take him.

The state of the goaltender in the NHL has changed so much in recent times. Remember a six-team NHL, with Johnny Bower and Terry Sawchuk in goal for Toronto; Ed Giacomin in New York, Gerry Cheevers in Boston; Roger Crozier in Detroit; Glenn Hall in Chicago; Gump Worlsey and Charlie Hodge in Montreal. Those were goalies. Today, one would be hard-pressed to find a goaltender of that level playing the game.

The Phoenix · ‎Apr 11, 1987

Giacomin was a key link in the rise of the Rangers in the late '60s. He was one of the first goaltenders to roam from his net to clear loose pucks - and one of the last to don a mask.

Michael Farkas · Monday at 10:32 PM

jigglysquishy said:
Ranger coach Emile Francis said, "Durability should count for more than it does."

Uh huh, that's what I'm kinda saying...except, the opposite (for this purpose). Not all All-Star votes are created equal. We just came out of a time when goalies played every minute of every game all season. Those guys got old and even in their 40's they were better than most of their peers, but they couldn't play 70 games anymore.

Giacomin just played a lot and seemed to get a lot of credit for that...

1967 decisions:
1. Giacomin 68
2. Crozier 54
3. DeJordy 41
4. Hodge 36
5. Johnston 31

1968 decisions:
1. Giacomin 66
2. Hodge 57 (13 wins)
3. Binkley 54
4. DeJordy 49
5. Hall 48

1969 decisions:
1. Giacomin 68
2. Maniago 62
3. Gamble 59

1970 decisions:
1. Giacomin 70
2. Smith 65
3. Vachon 61

He splits time to get a Vezina with Villemure in '71. They both had the same scant Hart voting that year.

Who did the voters really have to go to, particularly in those first couple seasons? They got boxed into Giacomin because he's the only guy that played. If folks don't like wins as a stat, they surely can't like "participated" as a stat.

He finally captures another 1-AS, but was about three 42-year-old Jacques Plante games away from losing that too.

So, his two 1-AS deals are against absolutely no one in a situation where he was actively losing starts to Gilles Villemure (who was not particularly impressive) and split his way to a Vezina. Same Hart vote, same basic stats, Villemure was a weaker 4-AS as he was a 30 year old minor leaguer playing in the NHL for the first time. (Of course, they would turn to Villemure at points in the next few playoffs),

And the other 1-AS is because only like one other guy played half the games in the whole league and that guy ((Crozier) earned the most losses and gave up the most goals with that effort.

Like, I get it...there's a block of cheese there that looks sort of tempting...but it's probably about as weak of a stretch in terms of players that were "eligible" (so to speak) to be voted for for any position for any stretch of time in history...I'm trying to think if there's a left wing stretch that might compare or something, maybe someone smarter than me can challenge it...

Red herring voting record, poor playoff performer, appears to have not been considered for Team Canada (against Esposito, Larocque, and Johnston), fails the eye test...I know folks get antsy if a player sits on the board for too long for whatever reason, but I just don't see the case from any angle.

blogofmike · 2025-01-07T11:46:05-0500

seventieslord said:
In addition to the out-of-this-world Hart record for this round, Rollins has some really impressive with-and-without-you numbers (as well as some really interesting before-you-and-after-you numbers that hint he may have been a gem.

- In the 1950-51 season, his partner in net was Turk Broda - yes, it waws 36 year old Broda at the end, but he did greatly outperform him, with a GAA only 79% of Broda's. This represents a significant drop from Broda's full season GAA the year before, as well. The Leafs had the same top-4 on defense, and went from the all-time great defensive coach Hap Day, to Joe Primeau.

- In the 1951-52 season, his GAA rose, but remained well below what Broda had attained in the season and a half before. Then, he and three players were sent to Chicago, all for Harry Lumley. In a full season as Chicago's starter, Rollins posted a 2.50 GAA, when Lumley had been 3.40 there just the season before. Mortson helped, sure, but THAT much? On the other hand, Toronto, who had been enjoying Rollins' 2.19 GAA, saw Lumley post a 2.34 with them. Considering the defensive fortunes of these two teams flipflopped when their goalies did, it's not surprising he was a Hart runner-up.

- In 1953-54, the bottom fell out for Chicago and Lumley posted a really bad 3.21 GAA. But, the other two goalies who played for the Hawks that year allowed 29 goals in just 4 games. No wonder he won the Hart - this made it look like Rollins was the only thing saving them from complete oblivion.

- In 1954-55, the Chicago understudies combined to outperform Rollins marginally, 3.27 to 3.40.

- But in 1955-56, he greatly outperformed the one of the two who had any promise, Hank Bassen (who spent a decade on the periphery of the ultra competitive O6 NHL) 2.95 to 3.34 (save percentage starts this season, and he had a sparkling .917 over Bassen's .885).

- In 1956-57, he was Chicago's full-time starter, so he had no one to compare to. But the very next season, Glenn Hall took over. Hall is, of course, one of the all-time greats, and he posted a .906 to Rollins' .900 the year before.

- After some time in the minors, he was one of five goalies that the Rangers tried out during the 1959-60 season, for ten games. His .918 was 2nd best among them (Jack McCartan played just 4 games) and the aggregate performance outside of Rollins was just .891. The majority of the minutes played for the Rangers this season were played by Gump Worsley.

Also, just to correct the record - we do, in fact, have some instances of 3rd team all-stars in this round. Rollins has two of them, in 50-51 and 53-54 (the first of the two narrowly behind Sawchuk for a 2nd team nod). In the two seasons in-between, Rollins had excellent GAA performances and a Hart runner-up, but we only know the top-two in voting. It's quite likely that he was the 3rd vote-getter that season. He was also 4th in voting in 56-57, with a distant, but not insignificant voting points total (17).

________________________________

@jigglysquishy

to correct the incomplete record on 3rd team all-stars for goalies in this round:

- Rollins has two (1951 & 1954)
- Cheevers has one (1972)

We're looking at how many goals they let in again?

Professor What said:
There's one thing I wonder about Rollins' Hart record. Was the Hart that he won a sympathy award? Maybe they thought he deserved better than the record that he had pinned to him -- which I could see the argument for -- but I don't see how that season merited a Hart unless someone provides more information. I don't think we can really say that he saved them from complete oblivion when they finished 37 points behind 5th place. They were already at complete oblivion. And for the the GAA, I'm not so sure we can give him a pass there. I'll grant that the depth of defense wasn't there, but surely it could be worse than playing behind Gadsby and Morton, right?

Sympathy is diminishing Rollins too much. I think it's also that he got the award a year late. He helped Chicago into the playoffs in 1953 - but some fella in Detroit was having an all-time great year.

Also this was a 1st half / 2nd half award.

GAA Thru Jan 1
Lumley 1.65
Sawchuk 1.99
McNeil 2.08
Rollins 2.59
Henry 2.66
Bower 2.92

Rollins was 1st half MVP. Then he was lower on the list with a 3.88 GAA in the second half. Some guys doubled down on Rollins, and no one candidate (Red Kelly was closest) could overcome the lead from the 1st half.

I'd blame the silly voting system as much as sympathy, is all.

jigglysquishy · 2025-01-07T16:51:37-0500

There's a lot of post-1980 goalies with limited AS support. I included third AS on the first page, but here is that list including 4th and 5th AS. Yes, we're at that stage of the project. 4th is weighted at 0.5, 5th at 0.25

Player	First	Second	Third	Fourth	Fifth	Total	Weighted Total
Tim Thomas	2	0	0	0	0	2	10
Tuukka Rask	1	1	0	1	1	4	8.75
Igor Shesterkin	1	0	0	1	0	2	5.5
Evgeni Nabokov	1	0	0	1	1	3	5.75
Olaf Kolzig	1	0	0	0	1	2	5.25
Ryan Miller	1	0	0	0	0	1	5
Marc-Andre Fleury	0	1	0	1	1	3	3.75
Mike Vernon	0	1	0	0	2	3	3.5
Mike Richter	0	0	0	1	1	2	0.75

There's really no way around it. Tim Thomas's two Vezinas/1st-AS stick out like a sore thumb at this stage.

Tuukka Rask's 4th AS and 5th AS look good. He has been top 5 in AS voting the most out of any remaining goalies.

Miller only finished top 5 in AS voting once. Richter twice, but never top 3.

Fleury picks up some much needed support.

These guys all have really thin peak resumes after Thomas/Rask/Shesterkin. I get the longevity angle on Fleury. Are we at a spot where Mike Vernon actually looks good?

Professor What · 2025-01-07T17:13:38-0500

jigglysquishy said:
There's a lot of post-1980 goalies with limited AS support. I included third AS on the first page, but here is that list including 4th and 5th AS. Yes, we're at that stage of the project. 4th is weighted at 0.5, 5th at 0.25

Player First Second Third Fourth Fifth Total Weighted Total
Tim Thomas
2
0
0
0
0
2
10
Tuukka Rask
1
1
0
1
1
4
8.75
Igor Shesterkin
1
0
0
1
0
2
5.5
Evgeni Nabokov
1
0
0
1
1
3
5.75
Olaf Kolzig
1
0
0
0
1
2
5.25
Ryan Miller
1
0
0
0
0
1
5
Marc-Andre Fleury
0
1
0
1
1
3
3.75
Mike Vernon
0
1
0
0
2
3
3.5
Mike Richter
0
0
0
1
1
2
0.75

There's really no way around it. Tim Thomas's two Vezinas/1st-AS stick out like a sore thumb at this stage.

Tuukka Rask's 4th AS and 5th AS look good. He has been top 5 in AS voting the most out of any remaining goalies.

Miller only finished top 5 in AS voting once. Richter twice, but never top 3.

Fleury picks up some much needed support.

These guys all have really thin peak resumes after Thomas/Rask/Shesterkin. I get the longevity angle on Fleury. Are we at a spot where Mike Vernon actually looks good?

Thomas is one of those guys that I find it a little hard to know what to do with. I never thought he looked all that impressive, even when he was playing well, but as you say, there are those Vezinas that stand out.

Is there such a thing as a spot where Mike Vernon looks good?

rmartin65 · 2025-01-07T18:19:00-0500

How much of the relatively unimpressive post-season All-Star and Vezina records for the modern guys do we think is the result of having a 30-32 team league? Just like forwards (cough, Benn, cough) can have a spike year and steal an Art Ross, I think it is very likely a run-of-the-mill goalie can have a good year and steal some Vezina/All Star support.

I'm not surprised to see Richter (still) at the bottom of the pile in this metric.

Professor What · 2025-01-07T18:31:02-0500

rmartin65 said:
How much of the relatively unimpressive post-season All-Star and Vezina records for the modern guys do we think is the result of having a 30-32 team league? Just like forwards (cough, Benn, cough) can have a spike year and steal an Art Ross, I think it is very likely a run-of-the-mill goalie can have a good year and steal some Vezina/All Star support.

I'm not surprised to see Richter (still) at the bottom of the pile in this metric.

Didn't a run of the mill goalie basically steal a couple of Vezinas in Thomas? I mean, I realize we're talking about a guy having two career years, but here really just wasn't that impressive. I don't know how he managed one, let alone two.

Michael Farkas · 2025-01-07T19:09:04-0500

If we put that guy on the list...I mean, that's a white flag at best. There's no point in making a list of someone else's all star team votes. That information is already available.

jigglysquishy · 2025-01-07T19:13:12-0500

rmartin65 said:
How much of the relatively unimpressive post-season All-Star and Vezina records for the modern guys do we think is the result of having a 30-32 team league? Just like forwards (cough, Benn, cough) can have a spike year and steal an Art Ross, I think it is very likely a run-of-the-mill goalie can have a good year and steal some Vezina/All Star support.

I'm not surprised to see Richter (still) at the bottom of the pile in this metric.

One off spike years were definitely common in the 2005-2015 time frame.

Ryan Miller was 1st AS,6th AS, then got a one off vote another time.

Steve Mason got a 2nd AS and then about 6 combined votes the rest of his career.

Bryzgalov got a 2nd AS, a 6th AS, and then nothing.

Varlamov got a 2nd AS, a 6th AS 7 years later, and zero votes the rest of his career.

Dubnyk got a 2nd AS, a 4th AS, and one vote one other year.

There's not really a modern forward comparison. Benn had the two strong seasons.

I think if anything it's evidence that voters looked at stats and got it wrong. Dubnyk was never actually a top 4 goalie in the world.

Michael Farkas · 2025-01-07T19:22:55-0500

Brian Elliott had two historic* seasons in there, Thomas, the list goes on...just awful goalies that had little blips. We're talking about the best goalies in history, not "best non-consecutive stat accumulations"...

rmartin65 · 2025-01-08T12:39:18-0500

Professor What said:
Didn't a run of the mill goalie basically steal a couple of Vezinas in Thomas? I mean, I realize we're talking about a guy having two career years, but here really just wasn't that impressive. I don't know how he managed one, let alone two.

I know some people make that argument. I am struggling to get there, though, unless we are willing to call Rask a run of the mill goalie as well. Sure, Rask looked better doing it, but how much of a difference was there on those teams between Thomas and Rask? Is there a huge difference in the amount of praise one received vs the other?

Disclaimer- I am not ready for Thomas this round. He has a short career for a modern goalie, and I think a lot of (most?) of his success is due to the team around him. In the Rask vs Thomas debate, I'm definitely on the Rask side. I am simply not sure there is a massive gap between the two.

jigglysquishy said:
One off spike years were definitely common in the 2005-2015 time frame.

Ryan Miller was 1st AS,6th AS, then got a one off vote another time.

Steve Mason got a 2nd AS and then about 6 combined votes the rest of his career.

Bryzgalov got a 2nd AS, a 6th AS, and then nothing.

Varlamov got a 2nd AS, a 6th AS 7 years later, and zero votes the rest of his career.

Dubnyk got a 2nd AS, a 4th AS, and one vote one other year.

There's not really a modern forward comparison. Benn had the two strong seasons.

I think if anything it's evidence that voters looked at stats and got it wrong. Dubnyk was never actually a top 4 goalie in the world.

It is weird that Miller is on this list, right?

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