I think Id add Bill Durnan there to Honorable Mentions.... Turk Broda another.
Hasek was better than Roy. I'm surprised at the outcome. Peak against peak, it's Hasek by a lot. If I was playing one game with my life on the line, I want Hasek in goal for me.
When do you think Roy's peak was?
Just for the sake of discussion...
Was Grant Fuhr really any better than Tom Barrasso?
Also, Curtis Joseph always seemed to be the best player during the playoffs each year during his time with the Oilers...
They'd finish as the 7th or 8th seed and have to battle Dallas or Colorado in the 1st round, but it seemed like every game went into OT or was decided by a goal
4th all-time in career wins with the same career save% as Belfour
CuJo deserves an honourable mention
One bit of math I wish to preserve was an absurd look at the original scoring system, and my reason for disliking it.
24 voter sample size
Player A: 15 first place votes, 1 third place vote, 8 seventh place votes. = 118 votes
Player B: 19 2nd place votes, 5 7th place votes = 119 votes
Player C: 30 3rd place votes = 120 pts
30 votes from 24 voters would certainly be absurd. (24x4=96)
He typed it wrong. 3rd place should get 5 points if there are 7 names up and 24 X 5 = 120. I don't see anything wrong with those results, though
*Oooh! Oooh! Pick me! I know this one!* (flails his scholarly arm wildly)When do you think Roy's peak was?
I do not care if he is on the to-40 or not, but Mike Richter was better than John Vanbiesbrouck.
Based on what?
I wonder if there would be changes to this list, in view of the passing years. I think we mostly nailed it for past players (and I'm letting my personal disagreements out of this, but I'm nowhere near agreeing to Tretiak at 8th).
Some food for thoughts :
- Perception on Tim Thomas achievements might have changed. Or not.
- Lundqvist probably deserves a bump, though I cannot remember the exact timing of the project.
- I think Luongo doesn't move up in a significant fashion : if anything, what additionnal appreciation he may obtain might have more to do with possible under appreciation of his late Panthers years (03-04, mostly)
- Rinne is having a great bounce back season after two disappointing ones. I can't put him in if Kipper isn't.
- I wonder if Carey Price would be perceived differently if his career started at a normal age for a goalie. His rookie season was good, the two subsequent seasons were BAD. Can't put him ahead of Kipper yet.
- Somebody else is probably better placed to assess Tuukka Rask's career than I am.
- Ryan Miller looks more and more like a 1-season wonder and probably fell behind Price and Rinne.
- MAF ?! Nope.
- Quick got totally unjustified marginal Vezina support last season. One great regular season and good playoffs performances. But below average for the last cup win.
Conclusion : Goaltender list is probably the one with the less variation (except the Wingers one, as it was just made). Only somewhat significant change if Lundqvist (and is it even that significant?), changes regarding Luongo wouldn't be related to his play, Kipper effectively blocking the best of the rest amongst active players.
- Perception on Tim Thomas achievements might have changed. Or not.
- Lundqvist probably deserves a bump, though I cannot remember the exact timing of the project.
- I think Luongo doesn't move up in a significant fashion : if anything, what additionnal appreciation he may obtain might have more to do with possible under appreciation of his late Panthers years (03-04, mostly)
- Rinne is having a great bounce back season after two disappointing ones. I can't put him in if Kipper isn't.
- I wonder if Carey Price would be perceived differently if his career started at a normal age for a goalie. His rookie season was good, the two subsequent seasons were BAD. Can't put him ahead of Kipper yet.
- Somebody else is probably better placed to assess Tuukka Rask's career than I am.
- Ryan Miller looks more and more like a 1-season wonder and probably fell behind Price and Rinne.
- MAF ?! Nope.
- Quick got totally unjustified marginal Vezina support last season. One great regular season and good playoffs performances. But below average for the last cup win.
Was Lundqvist really seen as a choker before 2013?
- Perception on Tim Thomas achievements might have changed. Or not.
Was Lundqvist really seen as a choker before 2013?