Post-Game Talk: Hit em with the 4 like AM34. Leafs lose 4th straight game 7 to Boston: 2-1

[Estimated_Prophet]

I wouldn't put 100 percent of the blame on Reilly.

Marner is essentially beside Pasternak before that dump in, and he just doesn't seem interested in covering him, he doesn't really pursue him into the zone so he goes in and wins that race entirely uncontested. Marner seems content to let his goaltender or defense handle it and is actually just coasting on the back check.

I would definitely place some blame on Mitch Marner.

Agreed as I changed my statement to include Marner shortly after posting this original one.

 

[Darcy Tucker]

the focus needs to be defence and this is how I seem them right now

Rielly X
X X
Benoit McCabe

I liked the Benoit McCabe pairing and they might be a great second pair but I still like to see them as a bottom pair. Get Rielly a partner and get another second pair dman.

A first pairing dman and a whole new second unit is a tall ask from a hand cuffed GM. I rather like Edmundson and his size wonder if he is in the long term plans. Benoit and McCabe are my favorite story from this season (other than another huge Rocket win from Papi).

Lilly , Brodie , Gio and Timmins can all kick rocks. They won't be able to get it done in next year's post season so I agree that some big moves have to be made.

Lyubushkin is hard to wrap my head around.

 

[JKG33]

I do agree very much so that series are not at all equal and Edmonton’s narrative around their club has greatly benefitted from weak first round opponents.

McDavid has definitely also been better as a playoff producer in his own right however. Both these things are definitely true as I see it

Yea Edmonton's lucked in to some very favorable first round matchups. Them and Toronto are very similar. I don't mean that as a compliment to Toronto, but rather an insult to Edmonton.

The second the Oilers have to play a good team they get folded. The only difference is their hugh paid stars actually show up, and they've had much worse teams around them

 

[Da Mash]

Who started this bullshit because I've seen this posted a bunch in this thread.

This is Rielly's worst playoff showing and it wasn't even that bad, just mediocre. He didn't just play well last year, he's played well in every playoff series he's been in other than this year. If a single player deserves the benefit of the doubt that their "poor" playoff showing this year is an abberration, it's Morgan Rielly this year.

Rielly has always been more effective in the playoffs than the regular season before this year which you can not say about many others on the Leafs.

He is consistantly bad ....we just refuse to see his lack of giveaways and not winning battles against the boards.

He offeres nothing on our PP......nothing.

We are lucky his cap number isnt bad....but we need a improvement at our number 1 D spot.
He doesnt have one great quality......skating used to be in...but now even that has diminished.

We dont suffer defensively when he isnt in the lineup. Sure its hard to judge because we need a legit goalie....but Reilly needs to be better defensively if he offers nothing offensively.

 

[notbias]

I do agree very much so that series are not at all equal and Edmonton’s narrative around their club has greatly benefitted from weak first round opponents.

McDavid has definitely also been better as a playoff producer in his own right however. Both these things are definitely true as I see it

McDavid is great in the playoffs, he also gets scored on a lot.

Drai and he were 1 and 2 for 5v5 goals against over the last 3 playoffs, and they had almost half the amount of games played as some players.

They cheat on offense, their system is not heavy on D.

A lot of their production is on the PP, which we lack and is a huge reason why I think our stars stats drop, I bet the even-strength numbers are not that much worse than their regular season stats (maybe they are)

Matthews/Marner/Nylander all had the same amount of even strength points as Drai and McDavid, all these players had 3, and the PP is where Edmonton shines.

 

[Enniskillen]

Why Marner and Rielly didn’t show up for post game interviews? Sheltering them from accountability?

 

[Sypher04]

Samsonov sucked. Again he's not the reason they lost. Maybe if the guys making money had that playoff gear MacKinnon, McDavid and Kutcherov had they would still be playing. I don't get how many of you keep defending these losers.

No one player was the reason they lost, so you’re right in that Sammy wasn’t the reason.

Overall I didn’t mind his game, dont even really blame him for the OT winner, but the first goal Boston scored felt like one he had to have.

Playoff Kucherov is overrated. The moment Tampas depth eroded behind him he’s been no better than our guys. We never had real depth behind our guys but that’s on them in part for how much they demanded to be paid

I don’t think there is much defense of the core happening round here tbh. Although I’d say each of the core players are not equally responsible for the failure we’ve seen

 

[Stephen]

Samsonov sucked. Again he's not the reason they lost. Maybe if the guys making money had that playoff gear MacKinnon, McDavid and Kutcherov had they would still be playing. I don't get how many of you keep defending these losers.

Samsonov was beatable and eventually lost, but he did his job in Game 7 and gave them the tools to win that game 2-1 in regulation, which is the same as what Woll did in Game 6. His only flaw is he's a shaky goalie so maybe the team didn't press as hard as it could have knowing they had to protect him somewhat. He's not a guy we keep but not the reason we lost last night.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

I can’t imagine any team giving it to him except Pittsburgh. He’s a good player but it’s pretty clear he’s not built for the playoffs.

Marner for Sid straight up.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Do we need to start a go fund me for that evilhomer chap?

 

[notbias]

Marner for Sid straight up.

Marner is bringing back a 7th if we trade him... everyone knows Tre will be desperate, and Marner gets to choose where he goes.

I assume any trade involving Marner will be well received but probably not turn out great for us.

I also predict he will have a great playoff next year if we move on.

 

[JKG33]

Marner for Sid straight up.

Normally I'd say no chance that happens, but that would be such a Dubas thing to do.

Marner and Keefe for Crosby and Johnston

 

[Apex Predator]

A first pairing dman and a whole new second unit is a tall ask from a hand cuffed GM. I rather like Edmundson and his size wonder if he is in the long term plans. Benoit and McCabe are my favorite story from this season (other than another huge Rocket win from Papi).

Lilly , Brodie , Gio and Timmins can all kick rocks. They won't be able to get it done in next year's post season so I agree that some big moves have to be made.

Lyubushkin is hard to wrap my head around.

Your right it is and maybe just a second pair pick moving dman is added. You sign Lyub or someone else you think plays with Rielly and then add Lily, Niemela and a few fringe free agent signings to your dcore next year.

That’s my ideal scenario aith the pairing but realistically that much change is a tough ask.

 

[Aashir]

Marner for Sid straight up.

Dubas might actually be stupid enough to do it

Trading one of the biggest winners for the greatest loser in the league

 

[notbias]

Do we need to start a go fund me for that evilhomer chap?

He seems like one of the happiest and most optimistic people here, I'm sure he will be fine.

There are a few people who I think the Leafs are far too important to them, and this will bother them for weeks or months, but I don't think he is one of them.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I call BS on ALL OF THIS !!!

You are on here bragging about being a coach and call out someone with more experience than maybe anyone on this board......How many AAA GTHL teams have you coached? Even with this experience I know enough to know that my experience as a coach at that level doesn't mean squat because very few youth coaches know enough about the pro game to have an intelligent conversation with me.

I know your type and you should just stop because bragging about being a youth coach on this forum and trying to build credibility because your experience is meaningless at the NHL level. You are bragging about playing checkers to chess players.

Gonna have to put you on the IL now.

 

[Sypher04]

Your right it is and maybe just a second pair pick moving dman is added. You sign Lyub or someone else you think plays with Rielly and then add Lily, Niemela and a few fringe free agent signings to your dcore next year.

That’s my ideal scenario aith the pairing but realistically that much change is a tough ask.

I think there is very little chance Niemela plays for the Leafs next year. Honestly Liljegren might have played his last game as a Leaf as well.

 

[Blanche Blanche]

You have 2 Cs who can playoff perform.
Auston and Nylander.
Build around them.
Look at what Domi and Bert did for Matthews for basically 1 mil each.
Tough gritty talented players

Knies is our future young kid. Right set of tools.

Imagine we had Bert and Domi for multiple seasons to build chemistry with our 2 Cs??

Do this for Nylander as well.

Its almost like Nylander is our 1C with how he has handled himself in performance, dealing with the media, and setting the vibe of the team - and playing with a lesser forward than Matthews more than half the time.



Mccabe and Edmundson are legit Dmen, who can body players off pucks and play it in when needed. It showed in the playoffs. When you notice Mccabe and Edmundson more than Marner its very telling. VERY f***ING TELLING.

Build your D from here.

Rielly is too soft to stop plays with his body. Hes like Marner in a Dman.
And this year his puck handling, and playmaking acumen nosedived.
All the play off his stick is dead.
Super Slow QB for the PP, very telegraphed passes.
I hope he is revealed to be injured because as of right now, what this team needs is to get rid of this guy.

Very telling that Boosh, and Benoit had better pinch plays than Rielly.
f***ING TELLING AGAIN...

Anything from the OLD Dubas DNA needs to go.

Marner and Rielly. Additions by Subtractions. 18Mil around there
JT can retire in 1 year. 11Mil
Get Samsonovs 1 Mil in there
30Mil For a Goalie, Good Forwards, and a Blueline upgrade.

Not a bad start for Cap.

Bring in a culture setter after Keefe has his bags packed.

Future of the team is Bright with clarity

 

[JKG33]

You have 2 Cs who can playoff perform.
Auston and Nylander.
Build around them.
Look at what Domi and Bert did for Matthews for basically 1 mil each.
Tough gritty talented players

Imagine we had Bert and Domi for multiple seasons to build chemistry with our 2 Cs??

Do this for Nylander as well.

Its almost like Nylander is our 1C with how he has handled himself in performance, dealing with the media, and setting the vibe of the team - and playing with a lesser forward than Matthews more than half the time.

Mccabe and Edmundson are legit Dmen, who can body players off pucks and play it in when needed. It showed in the playoffs. When you notice Mccabe and Edmundson more than Marner its very telling. VERY f***ING TELLING.

Build your D from here.

Rielly is too soft to stop plays with his body. Hes like Marner in a Dman.
And this year his puck handling, and playmaking acumen nosedived.
All the play off his stick is dead.
Super Slow QB for the PP, very telegraphed passes.
I hope he is revealed to be injured because as of right now, what this team needs is to get rid of this guy.

Very telling that Boosh, and Benoit had better pinch plays than Rielly.
f***ING TELLING AGAIN...

Anything from the OLD Dubas DNA needs to go.

Marner and Rielly. Additions by Subtractions. 18Mil around there
JT can retire in 1 year. 11Mil


Not a bad start for Cap.

Bring in a culture setter after Keefe has his bags packed.

Nylanders not a C and Matthews can't perform to his cap hit

 

[Gallagbi]

Marner is bringing back a 7th if we trade him... everyone knows Tre will be desperate, and Marner gets to choose where he goes.

I assume any trade involving Marner will be well received but probably not turn out great for us.

I also predict he will have a great playoff next year if we move on.

You're looking at a PLD return. Personally I'd swap a depth option or two for an extra pick.

Chicago and Calgary both make sense, minus the Tre/CGY relationship

 

[notbias]

You're looking at a PLD return. Personally I'd swap a depth option or two for an extra pick.

Chicago and Calgary both make sense, minus the Tre/CGY relationship

I would be fine with a PLD return, but I think for every PLD return, there is a Tkachuk return, that is what I am scared of.

 

[Gallagbi]

I would be fine with a PLD return, but I think for every PLD return, there is a Tkachuk return, that is what I am scared of.

Biggest issue with that return was the re-signing. If you roll the year with them expiring, you're looking at a few top end picks instead of boar anchor deals.

 

[rumman]

Shanahan made a stupid snap decision few years ago when he thought hiring an analytics kid to build a cup contender was a good idea.

THIS…….

You're right, the next thing they're going to say is "the grit players they brought in were useless."

Snot wasn’t the problem, once again it was the high priced talent…….

 

[rumman]

How much do you think Dubas would give us for marner so he can sign him to 14 mil a year?

Marner is done in this city

Marner and Keefe for Crosby…….

 

[Gary Nylund]

Samsonov was beatable and eventually lost, but he did his job in Game 7 and gave them the tools to win that game 2-1 in regulation, which is the same as what Woll did in Game 6. His only flaw is he's a shaky goalie so maybe the team didn't press as hard as it could have knowing they had to protect him somewhat. He's not a guy we keep but not the reason we lost last night.

Agree 100%, h's absolutely not the reason we lost. We just didn't play that well overall, at least from where I sit Boston outplayed us, simple as that. We didn't play badly, but we were nowhere near as good as were in games 5/6 and Boston deserved to win. And Sammy made a lot of great saves as well, when we went ahead 2-0 we would have been down 2-1 instead with just average goaltending to that point.

He seems like one of the happiest and most optimistic people here, I'm sure he will be fine.

There are a few people who I think the Leafs are far too important to them, and this will bother them for weeks or months, but I don't think he is one of them.

@Evilhomer will be just fine, agreed. As for the Leafs being "too important", that depends on how "bothered" people are. Many people are still bothered by the refs knifing us in the gut in 1993 and there's nothing wrong with that as long as it doesn't turn you into a bitter person in the rest of your life.

Marner is bringing back a 7th if we trade him... everyone knows Tre will be desperate, and Marner gets to choose where he goes.

I assume any trade involving Marner will be well received but probably not turn out great for us.

I also predict he will have a great playoff next year if we move on.

Marner for nothing would be a win or us as we can do something useful with the cap space and let's be honest, Marner was pretty useless in these playoffs. As for him having a great playoffs somewhere else next year, who cares?

Marner and Keefe for Crosby…….

Done. I'd even throw in free Boston Pizza for life.