OT: HFPens Community Lounge: Its been 84 years... But now Karlsson is here

[LOGiK]

no I think it's pretty much all face-value. The monk and robot one does get into a bit more philosophical conversations about people's purpose and what makes someone/something alive etc.

Also it's entirely possible that they ARE symbolic but I'm just too stupid to notice. But if so, I still enjoyed them; ignorance is bliss they say

It is! It's fine if it's one thing, and you know it going in, but so much of it so often who has time for it? Unless it is simple straight forward, but then why use it at all? I don't know. I do just ignore it. I mean, some obvious stuff I get, maybe, heh...

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How about that? A new transformers film, well... I'd hardly even call it that... just a 3 hour eye candy blow up and say stupid things and used to have rrrrrrrrowww megan fox to look at.

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Is today 10 JUNE!!!

 

[Ogrezilla]

It is! It's fine if it's one thing, and you know it going in, but so much of it so often who has time for it? Unless it is simple straight forward, but then why use it at all? I don't know. I do just ignore it. I mean, some obvious stuff I get, maybe, heh...

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How about that? A new transformers film, well... I'd hardly even call it that... just a 3 hour eye candy blow up and say stupid things and used to have rrrrrrrrowww megan fox to look at.

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Is today 10 JUNE!!!

But didn't you hear, this one is the best since the original!

It's such a bummer that those are such bland and soulless messes, it could be such a fun IP. And quite frankly, Bay probably could have made another couple of fun movies instead. Not masterpieces, but I'd trade all the transformers for another The Rock or even Armageddon. They'd probably be just as dumb, but outside of transformers he's rarely bland.

 

[Gurglesons]

Beast Wars was a great show.

 

[LOGiK]

But didn't you hear, this one is the best since the original!

It's such a bummer that those are such bland and soulless messes, it could be such a fun IP. And quite frankly, Bay probably could have made another couple of fun movies instead. Not masterpieces, but I'd trade all the transformers for another The Rock or even Armageddon. They'd probably be just as dumb, but outside of transformers he's rarely bland.

Just watched Transformers ROTB, wooooooow.
Worst Transformers since ROTF IMO...
Unbelievable in every aspect. World-trotting action again. Unbeatable robots become beatable for story and plot sake. Deaths do not matter they can just be brought back to life at any moment for any reason. I mean .... just wow.... it's quite terrible.



add: literally every single movie is the same exact thing. The best one was that bumblebee stand-alone. The ensemble films are just a mess of trash thrown together to make one confusing nothing.

add add: Actually gave Sunny (IASIP) a go for season 16 and it's decent enough I've watched the second episode. Their older and less impactful, but it's not that bad.... maybe after ROTB my defense is not as strong.
I actually laughed out loud for s16e2.... that was old fashioned sunny.

 

[KareemTrustfund]

Just watched Transformers ROTB, wooooooow.
Worst Transformers since ROTF IMO...
Unbelievable in every aspect. World-trotting action again. Unbeatable robots become beatable for story and plot sake. Deaths do not matter they can just be brought back to life at any moment for any reason. I mean .... just wow.... it's quite terrible.



add: literally every single movie is the same exact thing. The best one was that bumblebee stand-alone. The ensemble films are just a mess of trash thrown together to make one confusing nothing.

add add: Actually gave Sunny (IASIP) a go for season 16 and it's decent enough I've watched the second episode. Their older and less impactful, but it's not that bad.... maybe after ROTB my defense is not as strong.
I actually laughed out loud for s16e2.... that was old fashioned sunny.

I thought the whole robots in disguise thing worked out great for the boys when they transformed into trucks and helicopters. But that giant robot gorilla isn’t fooling me or any other biologist for that matter

 

[LOGiK]

I thought the whole robots in disguise thing worked out great for the boys when they transformed into trucks and helicopters. But that giant robot gorilla isn’t fooling me or any other biologist for that matter

The ironic part is Bay specifically said when the first TF released: "no one would believe animals transforming into robots" and he was correct... it makes no sense for a ROBOT to hide as an animal... animals aren't stupid - they would know - and it just has no need. It just does not make any sense. The whole movie is like that though.... it's the end of the world, but heck, the robots never actually worry.... neither do the humans. Like the fire exchange in peru between (who cares) which bots... she just stands there as fire literally gets sprayed all around her without a hair out of place or burnt fiber...

Every ounce of this film is just who gives a great big bollocks. AND if they don't insult your intelligence enough by the film making no sense they do get the 'racist' jab inserted in there.... I mean just putrid and disgraceful, again and again... and the most amazing part of the whole series is that people actually stick their real name on the titles like it's a work of art.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Remember the Expendables movies? They were ridiculous and a throw back to the 80s action flicks. Kind of fun but also stupid but you were in on the fun of the absurdity as it didn't take itself serious with how they went about it.

Which brings me to this franchise - Fast and furious 6-10 is enjoyable if you've suffered severe brain damage, I think. A movie that takes itself so serious that it's almost comical, it rivals the MCU for zero consequences and horrible takes on villains.

The ironic part is Bay specifically said when the first TF released: "no one would believe animals transforming into robots" and he was correct... it makes no sense for a ROBOT to hide as an animal... animals aren't stupid - they would know - and it just has no need. It just does not make any sense. The whole movie is like that though.... it's the end of the world, but heck, the robots never actually worry.... neither do the humans. Like the fire exchange in peru between (who cares) which bots... she just stands there as fire literally gets sprayed all around her without a hair out of place or burnt fiber...

Every ounce of this film is just who gives a great big bollocks. AND if they don't insult your intelligence enough by the film making no sense they do get the 'racist' jab inserted in there.... I mean just putrid and disgraceful, again and again... and the most amazing part of the whole series is that people actually stick their real name on the titles like it's a work of art.

The animated movie.
The original animated show
The beast wars animated show
The Netflix animated show

That's all you need to watch. f*** the rest.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Which brings me to this franchise - Fast and furious 6-10 is enjoyable if you've suffered severe brain damage, I think. A movie that takes itself so serious that it's almost comical, it rivals the MCU for zero consequences and horrible takes on villains.

villains seem to give all of these franchises trouble for whatever reason. Marvel seems to do a great job casting most of theirs, but they end up underutilizing or outright wasting most of them. X-Men were so hit or miss. McKellen and Fassbender were both great as Magneto, Cox was a great Stryker, etc, but then you have the messes like Juggernaut, Phoenix, Apocalypse, etc. And then DC is just all over the damn place ranging from things like Ledger's Joker to Leto's Joker or Eisenberg's Lex Luther.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

Ugh, I go back to West Virginia tomorrow. It was a nice 50 weeks being at home.

At least I get more Marriott points again.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

villains seem to give all of these franchises trouble for whatever reason. Marvel seems to do a great job casting most of theirs, but they end up underutilizing or outright wasting most of them. X-Men were so hit or miss. McKellen and Fassbender were both great as Magneto, Cox was a great Stryker, etc, but then you have the messes like Juggernaut, Phoenix, Apocalypse, etc. And then DC is just all over the damn place ranging from things like Ledger's Joker to Leto's Joker or Eisenberg's Lex Luther.

I would say recently DC has done a far better job of villains - Farrell as Penguin, Dano as Riddler, etc.

But the funny thing about Fast X is they did do well with Momoa as an actual villain. But the rest of the move is a very hard watch. It's the diamond in a pile of turds.


Marvel on the other hand has actually done the best job of hiring actual real life villains like sexual abuser Tenoch and a woman beater so bad that even Chris Brown said damn, in Majors.

 

[LOGiK]

Ugh, I go back to West Virginia tomorrow. It was a nice 50 weeks being at home.

At least I get more Marriott points again.

They may be nasty, but get the hot tub room.
Just dump bleach in them first.

villains seem to give all of these franchises trouble for whatever reason. Marvel seems to do a great job casting most of theirs, but they end up underutilizing or outright wasting most of them. X-Men were so hit or miss. McKellen and Fassbender were both great as Magneto, Cox was a great Stryker, etc, but then you have the messes like Juggernaut, Phoenix, Apocalypse, etc. And then DC is just all over the damn place ranging from things like Ledger's Joker to Leto's Joker or Eisenberg's Lex Luther.

TF suffers from the villain.... any one they pick, choose, or construct will just die in the end or be defeated. Ultimately all villain's have to / will lose in these shows/movies.
TF: Make any villain you want, story will be the same and he will be foiled/defeated. The journey there stinks/unbelievable to the extreme/badly written/whatever... so how can it even be enjoyable when it is the same thing over and over.

Remember the Expendables movies? They were ridiculous and a throw back to the 80s action flicks. Kind of fun but also stupid but you were in on the fun of the absurdity as it didn't take itself serious with how they went about it.

Which brings me to this franchise - Fast and furious 6-10 is enjoyable if you've suffered severe brain damage, I think. A movie that takes itself so serious that it's almost comical, it rivals the MCU for zero consequences and horrible takes on villains.



The animated movie.
The original animated show
The beast wars animated show
The Netflix animated show

That's all you need to watch. f*** the rest.

Animated movie is king of Transformers... crazy Nelsen (son?) Shin (or whoever) wrote that movie just to kill off old toys and introduce new ones. Orsen Welles as Unicron? Genius =]
Saw the old ones as kids, saw the new one or trilogy on netflix way back when it came out... I think I saw all three parts... I do not have any streamers so... hard to remember.


Watched Whiplash last night... speaking of terrible films... this wasn't one of them. Very good actually... the drive to greatness is a bastard.

 

[Ogrezilla]

I would say recently DC has done a far better job of villains - Farrell as Penguin, Dano as Riddler, etc.

But the funny thing about Fast X is they did do well with Momoa as an actual villain. But the rest of the move is a very hard watch. It's the diamond in a pile of turds.


Marvel on the other hand has actually done the best job of hiring actual real life villains like sexual abuser Tenoch and a woman beater so bad that even Chris Brown said damn, in Majors.

DC puts their villain Ezra as the star front and center

 

[Ogrezilla]

TF: Make any villain you want, story will be the same and he will be foiled/defeated. The journey there stinks/unbelievable to the extreme/badly written/whatever... so how can it even be enjoyable when it is the same thing over and over.

I still say marvel was mostly very good blockbuster style movies up through endgame. These are masterpieces or anything, but mostly good to very good fun event movies. Some forgettable duds too, but mostly good movies. But they have been very hit or miss post endgame, with bigger misses as well.

That said, the direct to Netflix stuff like Red Notice or The Gray Man really put into perspective what genuinely bad movies look like, and nothing from the MCU pre endgame is that. Dc either. But I am definitely ready to get out of the IP and cinematic universe era.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

DC puts their villain Ezra as the star front and center

Not a fan of Ezra either.

But he's about on par with Bill Murray and he was just In Ant-Man.

 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrots]

TIL that hitting the Pike's Peak summit on the tail end of bronchitis is something I realllllly did not think through, WHOOPS.

As a bonus, a random kiddo at a pit stop confused my car for his parents', ran up, and yanked Ziggy's door open. None of us will ever fully recover. Ziggy may be small, but he's a full time miniature hyena/buzzsaw hybrid, and he legit got to scare off An Intruder. He's still smiling. The kid is probably somewhere in Utah, and my ears somehow didn't bleed.

The kid's parents were very apologetic, and also very clearly trying not to piss themselves laughing, so I think we all surpassed our collective adventure quotient for our respective excursions.

 

[Ogrezilla]

Not a fan of Ezra either.

But he's about on par with Bill Murray and he was just In Ant-Man.

fair. I bet half the movies made have at least one POS in them. And damn near all of them when you include the producers etc. It's a pretty sad state, especially considering that it's probably actually better than it used to be

 

[Sideline]

I still say marvel was mostly very good blockbuster style movies up through endgame. These are masterpieces or anything, but mostly good to very good fun event movies. Some forgettable duds too, but mostly good movies. But they have been very hit or miss post endgame, with bigger misses as well.

That said, the direct to Netflix stuff like Red Notice or The Gray Man really put into perspective what genuinely bad movies look like, and nothing from the MCU pre endgame is that. Dc either. But I am definitely ready to get out of the IP and cinematic universe era.

The stupid popcorn flick genre suffers when writers and producers decide to cash in on sequels.

For example the first John Wick was a really fun popcorn flick because the story is simple and logical. Once the sequels are greenlit, you need more story to keep it going and the problem there is stupid popcorn flicks work because of the simple story you don't have to think about too much. Now John Wick is full of magical secret societies, mysterious characters, and a bunch of shit I can't be bothered to remember let alone take seriously.

 

[Randy Butternubs]

The Gray Man

That's a bad movie? I thought it was fine. Nothing special but fine.

 

[Ogrezilla]

That's a bad movie? I thought it was fine. Nothing special but fine.

I guess. It's a disappointing movie based on who was involved in it I guess.

 

[Ogrezilla]

The stupid popcorn flick genre suffers when writers and producers decide to cash in on sequels.

For example the first John Wick was a really fun popcorn flick because the story is simple and logical. Once the sequels are greenlit, you need more story to keep it going and the problem there is stupid popcorn flicks work because of the simple story you don't have to think about too much. Now John Wick is full of magical secret societies, mysterious characters, and a bunch of shit I can't be bothered to remember let alone take seriously.

I haven't seen those sequels so I can't say, but I think there are plenty of good sequels to those kinds of movies. There are more bad ones, but I think that's just generally true for sequels for any genre.

But things like Aliens, Terminator 2, Empire Strikes Back, the Mad Max sequels, Top Gun Maverick, Die Hard 3, etc really show that it can be done well. Those are mostly sequels to movies that were not initially planned with sequels, and they are all great. That said, I do agree that sequels in general are often a bad idea when they aren't planned for from the start. The MCU has a mix of both good and bad sequels. The Ironman sequels suck. The Captain American and Guardians of the Galaxy sequels are good. Thor has one good sequel and 2 bad sequels. It's also just weird because the you could argue that everything after Iron Man is a sequel to some degree.

 

[LOGiK]

Watched Nefarious last night (2023) I guess politics are in that film kind of a spoiler

Spoiler

abortion, abortion issue

but I enjoyed it for being a demon movie and it was satisfying to me/us.

 

[Lara Emily]

This should be fun

 

[Deport Ogie]

Circling back to vidya games, I'm pleased to report the eldest is making his way through some classics that he knows are favs of the old man. He just knocked out Portal and Portal 2 and absolutely loved them so he then started asking about this old ps3 game case he found for something called "Bioshock." I delightedly ordered the 3 game collection for his xbox and asked "Would you kindly play all of them and get back to me?"

 

[BlindWillyMcHurt]

Circling back to vidya games, I'm pleased to report the eldest is making his way through some classics that he knows are favs of the old man. He just knocked out Portal and Portal 2 and absolutely loved them so he then started asking about this old ps3 game case he found for something called "Bioshock." I delightedly ordered the 3 game collection for his xbox and asked "Would you kindly play all of them and get back to me?"

Man such good games. The only console I ever actually went out and bought early in it's cycle was a 360 mostly because of that game. And Halo 3.

I was a little let down with how buggy the remaster was, though. Especially considering how flawless the OG games ran.

 

[Zirakzigil]

The stupid popcorn flick genre suffers when writers and producers decide to cash in on sequels.

For example the first John Wick was a really fun popcorn flick because the story is simple and logical. Once the sequels are greenlit, you need more story to keep it going and the problem there is stupid popcorn flicks work because of the simple story you don't have to think about too much. Now John Wick is full of magical secret societies, mysterious characters, and a bunch of shit I can't be bothered to remember let alone take seriously.

Its simple, dont hurt a guys dog, end of storyline.

Loved John Wick 4 by the way.