HFBoards TOP 50 Prospects Ranking #22 (closed)

[amnesiac]

TOP 50 PROSPECTS


Criteria is 22 and under, 30 NHL GP or less, no goalies

1. Connor Bedard - C		18. Olen Zellweger - D	2	35.
2. Adam Fantilli - C		19. Zach Benson - LW		36.
3. Matvei Michkov - RW		20. Ryan Leonard - RW		37.
4. Leo Carlsson - C	2	21. Jiri Kulich - C		38.
5. Logan Cooley - C	:coyotes	22.		39.
6. Luke Hughes - D		23.		40.
7. David Jiricek - D		24.		41.
8. Simon Nemec - D		25.		42.
9. Will Smith - C		26.		43.
10. Simon Edvinsson - D		27.		44.
11. Alexander Nikishin - D		28.		45.
12. Brandt Clarke - D		29.		46.
13. Pavel Mintyukov - D	2	30.		47.
14. Shane Wright - C		31.		48.
15. Cutter Gauthier - LW		32.		49.
16. Logan Stankoven - C		33.		50.
17. David Reinbacher - D		34.

To add:
Zachary Bolduc - C
Scott Morrow - D
William Wallinder - D
Mavrik Bourque - C
Alexandre Holtz - RW
Lukas Cormier - D
Seamus Casey - D
Oliver Moore - C
Brock Faber - D
Arseni Gritsyuk - LW
Stanislav Svozil - D
Dmitri Buchelnikov - LW
Sean Farrell - LW
Noah Ostlund - C
Bobby Brink - RW
Fabian Lysell - RW
Joshua Roy - RW
Nathan Gaucher - C
Jonathan Lekkerimaki - LW
Shakir Mukhamadullin - D
Connor Zary - C
Aatu Raty - C
Brad Lambert - C
Jagger Firkus - LW



Past lists:
HFBoards Top 50 Prospects Ranking #50 FINAL (summer 2022)
HFBoards TOP 50 Prospects Ranking #50 FINAL (summer 2021)
HFBoards TOP 75 Prospects Ranking #75 (FINAL) (winter 2020-21)
HFBoards TOP 50 Prospects (summer 2019)
Top 50 Drafted Prospects 2018: #46 - #50 (summer 2018)
HFBoards TOP 50 Prospects #50 FINAL (summer 2017)

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[majormajor]

I begrudgingly went with Knies here - he's a ready made top six forward with super translatable skills. A bit of Kreider in his game. We know he'll be good.

I still have a lot of guys I'd take over Eklund or Hutson here. But I'm not sure how to approach ranking those guys.

Ryker Evans looked incredible to me in the AHL playoffs, it's hard to get a read on how NHL ready he is though. It's not like I have a lot of other folks who watched Firebirds games I can ask what they thought about it.

Matthew Wood looks like the closest thing to 2014 Leon Draisaitl. Big upside there, big scoring resume.

Evangelista already has several multi-point games in the NHL. We should be talking about him. Close to the same age as Eklund.

Kasper and Savoie didn't have great D+1s but they have a lot more time to take off than Eklund does - he's about to turn 21.

Stan Svozil just had a season full of great showings at every level. You can argue that he should have won the WJC D MVP award, he also had 13 points in 7 WHL playoff games and 3 points in 3 pro games at the end of the year. I'm more confident in Svozil than Hutson.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Kulich's leap into the top 50 moves Buffalo into 5th overall.

and here are the teams that are not yet on the board:

As for the poll, you know what I am going to say:

Hobey Baker Finalist Matt Knies.

Curious, I don't see Hutson's picture here?

Maybe hockey coaches and scouts actually see more than points on the scorecard. The other two were ranked 2nd and 5th in this list.


Add Faber, he's already a good NHL player.

 

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[Haatley]

Kulich's leap into the top 50 moves Buffalo into 5th overall.

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and here are the teams that are not yet on the board:

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As for the poll, you know what I am going to say:

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Hobey Baker Finalist Matt Knies.

Curious, I don't see Hutson's picture here?

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Maybe hockey coaches and scouts actually see more than points on the scorecard. The other two were ranked 2nd and 5th in this list.


Add Faber, he's already a good NHL player.

Or maybe they also saw him fail at the WJC while his linemate flourished. Or that he's just a run of the mill prospect over rated by his fanbase

 

[Seras]

Or maybe they also saw him fail at the WJC while his linemate flourished. Or that he's just a run of the mill prospect over rated by his fanbase

He is overrated by many leaf's fans, will not argue with that.

That being said anything to do with the leaf's is either underrated or openly scorned by fans of the other 31 teams.

Kind of balances itself out

 

[Howe Elbows 9]

Dvorsky, Eklund, Hutson, Kasper and Korchinski are some of my favorites at this point.

 

[RedWingzz]

Marco Kasper here is about right.

People are probably saying his offensive ceiling isn't as high as other listed prospect, which is fair, but his floor is pretty much the highest of anyone left. Based on his work ethic, skating ability and 2-way play, he's a 3C on any team in the NHL in a year or 2. Once he makes it, then it will be seen how much offence he can produce in the NHL.

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Marco Kasper here is about right.

People are probably saying his offensive ceiling isn't as high as other listed prospect, which is fair, but his floor is pretty much the highest of anyone left. Based on his work ethic, skating ability and 2-way play, he's a 3C on any team in the NHL in a year or 2. Once he makes it, then it will be seen how much offence he can produce in the NHL.

I don't think his floor is higher than Knies or Coronato.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Hutson, again

 

[LemonSauceD]

Knies, Kasper, Dvorsky, Hutson, Eklund, Willander

 

[amnesiac]

3 way tie!

more votes

 

[Mrb1p]

Pretty easy Matthew Wood here. There's no reason to vote Knies ahead of him, as he's two years younger, a rookie, on a worse team, the best player on his team (as opposed to the third best.) and just had a better year than him. Knies is closer to the NHL because he's older, inherently. Doesn't make him a better prospect.

 

[TLEH]

I begrudgingly went with Knies here - he's a ready made top six forward with super translatable skills. A bit of Kreider in his game. We know he'll be good.

I still have a lot of guys I'd take over Eklund or Hutson here. But I'm not sure how to approach ranking those guys.

Ryker Evans looked incredible to me in the AHL playoffs, it's hard to get a read on how NHL ready he is though. It's not like I have a lot of other folks who watched Firebirds games I can ask what they thought about it.

Matthew Wood looks like the closest thing to 2014 Leon Draisaitl. Big upside there, big scoring resume.

Evangelista already has several multi-point games in the NHL. We should be talking about him. Close to the same age as Eklund.

Kasper and Savoie didn't have great D+1s but they have a lot more time to take off than Eklund does - he's about to turn 21.

Stan Svozil just had a season full of great showings at every level. You can argue that he should have won the WJC D MVP award, he also had 13 points in 7 WHL playoff games and 3 points in 3 pro games at the end of the year. I'm more confident in Svozil than Hutson.

Korchinski is like 17 months younger than Svozil and just put up the same season as Svozil in the WHL. Not sure how he is a better prospect.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Hutson is getting shafted in this thread lol

 

[stl76]

Forgot how quickly these polls devolve into fans voting for their own team's prospects.

That said, Dvorsky and Snuggerud are being underrated

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Forgot how quickly these polls devolve into fans voting for their own team's prospects.

That said, Dvorsky and Snuggerud are being underrated

I watched a lot of Snug this year, and I do think he's a high end prospect. I don't think he is on Knies level, who wasn't on Cooley's level, but all 3 should be top 6 players. Snug will have a lot of room to grow this season, we will see how it goes. Maybe he leapfrogs up the list.

Dvorsky I am not ready to put ahead of guys who had similar hype but grew or repeated. I do think he is a prime candidate for a Stankoven type rise next year.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Kemmell or Wood. Both way too productive for their ages and leagues to not be selected. Ryker Evans is up there for me too.

 

[stl76]

I watched a lot of Snug this year, and I do think he's a high end prospect. I don't think he is on Knies level, who wasn't on Cooley's level, but all 3 should be top 6 players. Snug will have a lot of room to grow this season, we will see how it goes. Maybe he leapfrogs up the list.

Dvorsky I am not ready to put ahead of guys who had similar hype but grew or repeated. I do think he is a prime candidate for a Stankoven type rise next year.

All due respect to Knies, if you compare his and Snuggerud's seasons at the same age, I think there is a very decisive edge in Snuggerud's favor. Snuggerud was 18 this past season, Knies turned 18 in October of his last season in the USHL.

Based on your post, it seems like you place a lot of value in a prospect being closer to the NHL/further in development - is that a fair statement?

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

All due respect to Knies, if you compare his and Snuggerud's seasons at the same age, I think there is a very decisive edge in Snuggerud's favor.

Based on your post, it seems like you place a lot of value in a prospect being closer to the NHL/further in development - is that a fair statement?

I think the mistake you are making is comparing production with different support groups.

Like I said, lets see how Snug does this year. The team will be weaker, and his line will almost definitely be much weaker but still pretty good. Should give us a better feel. In my mind, he was often a passenger last season with Knies and Cooley doing most of the work and creating plays.

edit: for your question - yes, I lean towards older players who have had the growth, over potentially equal or even slightly higher potential who we think will have that same kind of growth.

 

[stl76]

I think the mistake you are making is comparing production with different support groups.

Like I said, lets see how Snug does this year. The team will be weaker, and his line will almost definitely be much weaker but still pretty good. Should give us a better feel. In my mind, he was often a passenger last season with Knies and Cooley doing most of the work and creating plays.

What do you think of Knies' 18 year old season compared to Snuggerud's? How would you compare their respective WJC performances?

EDIT: for the record, I am completely biased here, but I think there is a VERY good argument to be made that Snuggerud is a better prospect than Knies...and I actually perfer Dvosrky to Knies among Blues prospects haha

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

What do you think of Knies' 18 year old season compared to Snuggerud's? How would you compare their respective WJC performances?

I don't tend to worry too much about a 4-7 game sample. Their 18 year old seasons were played with completely different teammates, so I am not sure how much weight I would put on that. I do know Knies played top 6 minutes for the Leafs and looked like he belonged with players like Nylander and Tavares, and I think that counts for something. Very high floor.

We won't know for sure for a few years, but having Snug with no Cooley or Knies will give us a better feel for what he's about. He will need to drive his line and create.

 

[stl76]

I don't tend to worry too much about a 4-7 game sample. Their 18 year old seasons were played with completely different teammates, so I am not sure how much weight I would put on that. I do know Knies played top 6 minutes for the Leafs and looked like he belonged with players like Nylander and Tavares, and I think that counts for something. Very high floor.

We won't know for sure for a few years, but having Snug with no Cooley or Knies will give us a better feel for what he's about. He will need to drive his line and create.

Cooley will be back at UoM and probably on a line with Snuggerud again. Ignoring Snuggerud's undeniably incredible performance at the WJC and not putting weight in how much further developed we was at the same age vs Knies seems less than charitable to me.

Nothing wrong with valuing floor and prospects that are further developed...I just hope you stay consistent with that view when it doesn't apply to your team's prospects

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Cooley will be back at UoM and probably on a line with Snuggerud again. Ignoring Snuggerud's undeniably incredible performance at the WJC and not putting weight in how much further developed we was at the same age vs Knies seems less than charitable to me.

Nothing wrong with valuing floor and prospects that are further developed...I just hope you stay consistent with that view when it doesn't apply to your team's prospects

What prospects?

We have a bottom 10 farm lol I don't think we have any other prospects that even have an NHL floor, with Amirov now likely never playing again due to brain tumor.

Thanks Dubas!

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Cooley will be back at UoM and probably on a line with Snuggerud again.

Kind of shocking, looks like he's changed his mind:

Confirmed Signing with Link: - [ARI] F Logan Cooley signs ELC with the Coyotes (3 years, $950k AAV)

forums.hfboards.com

I found it hard to believe he was going to go back, but pretty crazy now he's circled back after committing. Like I said, Snug will have to create on his own this year.