HF Wrestling Draft IX - Friday Apr 8th start - Discussion

[HandsomeHollywood]

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Just my two cents........if a person is picking 3 wrestlers from a particular faction and they are being used as 3-man team in a match, I don't have a problem with it.

The key is you have to use the 3 guys as team (which is what I'm doing) anyways so I don't see it being a big advantage. It would be different if you could reel off 3 guys from a faction and use them each separately (for example if someone took Hogan/Hall/Nash as a 3-man team they can't use them individually). But you can't.

To be honest having it limited to "established" 3-man teams leaves a gray area and room for interpretation. What might be an established team in one GMs eyes may not be established in another's. If the rule was left as is for future years than I would recommend the 3-man teams eligible to be chosen as 3-man teams be listed off up front in the rules. If the list ends up just Freebirds, New Day and Demolition, so be it but I would contend there are other 3-man teams who should be eligible like the OC (Styles, Anderson, Gallows), heck I'd include the Bloodline in that as well. (all these guys are picked I checked lol). There's your interpretation problem, which isn't a big deal in Free Agency but could be a cluster&&^% it happened at the top of the draft (like my Hogan/Hall/Nash example above).

I'd be fine if I just took Bagwell and Norton (as they were an established tag team Vicious and Delicious) and left Konnan for the next day. I can still use the 3 together provided Konnan was still available when I picked tomorrow. But like HH said, the Team Taz pick already set the precedent (which is where I got the Bagwell/Norton/Konnan selection idea) so that shipped has sailed.

Another suggestion would be maybe allowing the factions in free agency but not during the draft rounds.

Anyways something to think about for next year.

Should clarify that by established tag team and the Freebird rule is in reference to the kayfabe rule in wrestling for teams of 3. That is teams that have 3 members can swap in and out for tag matches. This means that Kofi, Big E and Xavier Woods are the tag team champions. Any combination of the 3 can defend the belts.
In previous years the term "established" referred to things like a team name, frequent tag matches together or tag title reigns, hence why New Day, the Freebirds and Demolition are the examples and only 3 I've ever been able to think of.

Once you apply the known kayfabe rule, it greatly limits the level of interpretation. I allowed team Taz as there are only 3 of them to choose (in terms of active wrestlers). Otherwise the rule becomes something it wasn't intended to be, and that is pay picks in exchange for that number of wrestlers. It only applies to tag teams just to make things more interesting.

Lots to think about for next year and the rules will probably be figured out.

 

[BruinDust]

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Should clarify that by established tag team and the Freebird rule is in reference to the kayfabe rule in wrestling for teams of 3. That is teams that have 3 members can swap in and out for tag matches. This means that Kofi, Big E and Xavier Woods are the tag team champions. Any combination of the 3 can defend the belts.
In previous years the term "established" referred to things like a team name, frequent tag matches together or tag title reigns, hence why New Day, the Freebirds and Demolition are the examples and only 3 I've ever been able to think of.

Once you apply the known kayfabe rule, it greatly limits the level of interpretation. I allowed team Taz as there are only 3 of them to choose (in terms of active wrestlers). Otherwise the rule becomes something it wasn't intended to be, and that is pay picks in exchange for that number of wrestlers. It only applies to tag teams just to make things more interesting.

Lots to think about for next year and the rules will probably be figured out.

For sure. And every year you'll probably encounter one-off/strange situations that need clarification and further refine the rules.

Really now that I think about it (and did a bit more Google research) the Freebird rule is essentially limited to 3-man teams who won championships and then defended those championships with the 3 members rotating. If they never won a championship, really they never wrestled under the Freebird rule as it pertains only to championships Which basically brings it back down to the Freebirds, Demolition, and the New Day.

When I looked at the Team Taz selection, they had previous members (Archer, Martin briefly) so I wouldn't of thought of them as a 3-man team as they had 4 active wrestlers from late 2020 until mid-2021 before Archer.

 

[les Habs]

Yeah, @HandsomeHollywood pulled the same rules bullshit on me a year ago when I drafted Stone Cold, Bret Hart and Kevin von Erich with the first pick. Of course I'd probably have gotten away with it if @JackSlater hadn't complained.

 

[JackSlater]

Yeah, @HandsomeHollywood pulled the same rules bullshit on me a year ago when I drafted Stone Cold, Bret Hart and Kevin von Erich with the first pick. Of course I'd probably have gotten away with it if @JackSlater hadn't complained.

I'm more likely to complain about burkiemaniq dipping into my stable of regulars rather than you putting Stone Cold against Art Barr in a mask vs hair match. He took Gary Albright and now Big Johnny Ace. He's in my territory and I don't like it.

 

[les Habs]

I'm more likely to complain about burkiemaniq dipping into my stable of regulars rather than you putting Stone Cold against Art Barr in a mask vs hair match. He took Gary Albright and now Big Johnny Ace. He's in my territory and I don't like it.

Well if I had the opportunity to draft Stone Cold he wouldn't be wasted. As for mask vs hair, good thing no one else has ever repeated a match type a second time. Oh wait...

 

[theedge9]

I'm back and I'm ready to make picks.


How many may I pick today?

 

[Apex Predator]

I think I’m a little over my head with this. Picking random without an idea as kind of screwed me. Looking at my roster Im going to have to force some reallly off combos in matches that probably won’t work.

 

[les Habs]

I think I’m a little over my head with this. Picking random without an idea as kind of screwed me. Looking at my roster Im going to have to force some reallly off combos in matches that probably won’t work.

Do you mean the matches themselves don't work or you don't have a story behind them? I'd say the latter is more important, but that's subjective.

 

[Bondurant]

911 was over during his cup of coffee.

 

[JackSlater]

I think I’m a little over my head with this. Picking random without an idea as kind of screwed me. Looking at my roster Im going to have to force some reallly off combos in matches that probably won’t work.

Could be enjoyable to try to make good stuff out of what you have, and it might force you down some creative paths you otherwise wouldn't have considered.

 

[Apex Predator]

Do you mean the matches themselves don't work or you don't have a story behind them? I'd say the latter is more important, but that's subjective.

Both I’m going to have to get creative.

 

[HandsomeHollywood]

Just a reminder that the daily free agency window does not open until 12 noon EST. @theedge9 has been busy and probably missed this.

Don't make it a habit.

 

[Natey]

Just realized I f***ed up my draft. The night I got home from wrestling training, I thought I picked Hell in a Cell, but I felt bad for taking so long and somehow my brain typed cage instead of HIAC and never noticed until now (as evidenced by picking a second cage match).

UGH lol that's a kick in the nether region. I had a special match set-up that I was planning to combine. f***kk me lol

 

[JackSlater]

Just realized I f***ed up my draft. The night I got home from wrestling training, I thought I picked Hell in a Cell, but I felt bad for taking so long and somehow my brain typed cage instead of HIAC and never noticed until now (as evidenced by picking a second cage match).

UGH lol that's a kick in the nether region. I had a special match set-up that I was planning to combine. f***kk me lol

Eh to be honest, for me having a cage or a hell in a cell makes no difference. I can probably trade you.

Also I like the Eddie Gilbert pick.

 

[Natey]

Eh to be honest, for me having a cage or a hell in a cell makes no difference. I can probably trade you.

Also I like the Eddie Gilbert pick.

I've already revamped my card, but thank you very much. I think it works better without my original idea anyway considering my talent roster.

I do have an unused cage match if anyone wants it. The cost is not high.

 

[Sheppy]

My card is so damn modern... hahaha

 

[HandsomeHollywood]

@Sheppy you were an hour too early today.
It looks like @Apex Predator and @theedge9 are all caught up.

So, everyone please remember, free agency starts at 12/noon EST. Have picks ready to go and I'm hoping we can avoid things like "I'll take one now and one later" or "oh I only took one yesterday so I'm taking 3 today" etc.

 

[HandsomeHollywood]

@Natey's Bobby Heenan pick is not allowed, as Heenan was picked earlier in the draft.

 

[Natey]

@Natey's Bobby Heenan pick is not allowed, as Heenan was picked earlier in the draft.

That's fine. I take it the name must have been edited because it wasn't showing up in search before my pick (Lashley was showing up twice, as well as Bobby Fish), but it is now.

My pick has been edited. If he's taken, which I feel like he should be, he's also not showing up for me in search.

 

[les Habs]

Seriously @JackSlater ? Your commentary on guys I’ve picked before and now you’ve drafted Watts three times in a row? I could care less if someone drafts someone over and over again, but kind of hypocritical to cite one person for it and then do it yourself.

 

[JackSlater]

Seriously @JackSlater ? Your commentary on guys I’ve picked before and now you’ve drafted Watts three times in a row? I could care less if someone drafts someone over and over again, but kind of hypocritical to cite one person for it and then do it yourself.

I'll have you know that this is the fifth time in a row I've drafted Bill Watts as my president, but this year I plan to use him in a new role...

Spoiler

Hat vs Hair match against Art Barr, presided over by Canadian Heavyweight champion Lance Storm! Joker Sting to stop by if a trade can be worked out!

 

[HandsomeHollywood]

@Sheppy you were an hour too early today.
It looks like @Apex Predator and @theedge9 are all caught up.

So, everyone please remember, free agency starts at 12/noon EST. Have picks ready to go and I'm hoping we can avoid things like "I'll take one now and one later" or "oh I only took one yesterday so I'm taking 3 today" etc.

Again, guys, please make both of your free agent picks at once. There is no need for 8-10 hour windows between your two picks if you're not NextBigThing. If you need extra time to think of your second pick, hold off on posting the one you know so you can post them together.
Keeping your picks tight helps me keep the list updated and keep track of who took what on what day.

 

[CHGoalie27]

Coulda sworn Gulak was picked earlier, not sure who i thought it was now

 

[Apex Predator]

I think I’m done with my pick unless someone pops into my head that wasn’t drafted.

 

[HandsomeHollywood]

I think I’m done with my pick unless someone pops into my head that wasn’t drafted.

Further to this,

if you are DONE picking, please post so here in the discussion. Once we get to less than half still picking, an end-time will be decided.