Here comes the Reign again, the 2024-25 Ontario Reign thread

[Schmooley]

That's the thing that frustrates me with Ontario, the AHL is a developmental league, but Sturm is overeliant on veterans to win games.

But the Reign are a middle of the pack team loaded with AHL scrubs... So not only are they not developing younger players, they are still losing games.

Literally the worst possible scenario.

Its been that way for a while. They brought guys in too early like Turcotte, Bjornfot, Kupari etc and made them play bottom six minutes and no special teams in the minors for years.
If you look at the big picture its is a poorly run organization. They do their best in making the players and their wives comfortable living the Manhattan Beach lifestyle and everything else is mediocre at best.

 

[CarlSneep]

In Sturm’s defense, Ontario’s primary goal once Luc replaced Lombardi changed from “develop young players” to “win & sell tickets.”

 

[Herby]

In Sturm’s defense, Ontario’s primary goal once Luc replaced Lombardi changed from “develop young players” to “win & sell tickets.”

Do you think that is why they went so heavy with the teenagers + AAAA player strategy, that isn't exactly heavily used around the NHL/AHL.

Get high Kings draft picks to the AHL asap to help sell tickets to Kings fans to drive to Ontario to see first round picks play, and then bring in the Tynan's and Frk's of the world to play first line and first PP unit and help the team win games to draw more tickets.

Makes sense financially, pretty horrible for player development though. No wonder the results from players who have spent so much time in the AHL sucks.

 

[King'sPawn]

Do you think that is why they went so heavy with the teenagers + AAAA player strategy, that isn't exactly heavily used around the NHL/AHL.

Get high Kings draft picks to the AHL asap to help sell tickets to Kings fans to drive to Ontario to see first round picks play, and then bring in the Tynan's and Frk's of the world to play first line and first PP unit and help the team win games to draw more tickets.

Makes sense financially, pretty horrible for player development though. No wonder the results from players who have spent so much time in the AHL sucks.

I think the general attitude, or idea, is to have players "get used to" the system as quickly as possible. Lombardi once said "you can never overprepare a player" and I think that's an adage they subscribe to.

Going back to 2008 (and excepting Doughty), Laferriere and Lizotte are the LEAST experienced player when it comes to the AHL who played regularly in the NHL. I think they just have a threshold of where they want players to be.

I don't agree with Blake on much, but I honestly don't believe they're keeping more skilled players down for revenue. I think, if anything, they believe winning is a good facet of development and they lean on veterans to win.

 

[Schmooley]

I think, if anything, they believe winning is a good facet of development and they lean on veterans to win.

Well they spent years leaning on veterans in the NHL and AHL and didnt win either league.
Is losing also a good facet of development?

 

[King'sPawn]

Well they spent years leaning on veterans in the NHL and AHL and didnt win either league.
Is losing also a good facet of development?

LIke everyone, I'm just putting in my .02 of what drives management decisions.

Lombardi had a lot of ideas as far as how he wanted things done:
- he believed in winners
- he believed you can never overprepare a prospect

I think some of his ideas have spilled over to this regime, especially with Blake as his assistant.

I don't 100% agree with it, but I believe there are merits to having it factor in. I just think Blake and management put a bigger weight on it.

 

[Schmooley]

LIke everyone, I'm just putting in my .02 of what drives management decisions.

Lombardi had a lot of ideas as far as how he wanted things done:
- he believed in winners
- he believed you can never overprepare a prospect

I think some of his ideas have spilled over to this regime, especially with Blake as his assistant.

I don't 100% agree with it, but I believe there are merits to having it factor in. I just think Blake and management put a bigger weight on it.

Was just pulling your leg. I get what they were trying to do. They just didnt execute and didnt win either league.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Kaleb Lawrence now has 2 goals in 4 games for the Reign. No idea how he's looked, but it's good to see him show up on the score sheet.

How have the kids looked? Booth, Dvorak, Jamsen, Pinelli and Lawrence?

 

[Johnny Utah]

Lawrence got lucky because the Kings called up Helenius and the Reign had injuries. I heard he's looked good.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Any updates on the younger players for Ontario? Would like to hear how Booth, Dvorak, Jamsen and Lawrence are looking.

 

[ru4reals]

That's the thing that frustrates me with Ontario, the AHL is a developmental league, but Sturm is overeliant on veterans to win games.

But the Reign are a middle of the pack team loaded with AHL scrubs... So not only are they not developing younger players, they are still losing games.

Literally the worst possible scenario.

So glad I'm not the only one who notices this. It was frustrating as hell back when Turcs and Byfield would get little to no time on the PP in the f**king AHL. Use to watch a lot of Reign games when we had a good amount of young talent and it was infuriating to watch how the high end talents would sit while we watched minor league lifers take all the minutes, especially in situations where you would think would benefit their development. Haven't subscribed to AHLtv since Byfield left so Haven't watched any Reign games but looks like things haven't changed.

 

[barriers]

 

[barriers]

What the hell is this?

 

[Vino]

So glad I'm not the only one who notices this. It was frustrating as hell back when Turcs and Byfield would get little to no time on the PP in the f**king AHL. Use to watch a lot of Reign games when we had a good amount of young talent and it was infuriating to watch how the high end talents would sit while we watched minor league lifers take all the minutes, especially in situations where you would think would benefit their development. Haven't subscribed to AHLtv since Byfield left so Haven't watched any Reign games but looks like things haven't changed.

If I remember right Turcotte got pretty well pp-time last season (front of the net, same place/role where JAD was when he was in the AHL).

 

[ru4reals]

If I remember right Turcotte got pretty well pp-time last season (front of the net, same place/role where JAD was when he was in the AHL).

Early on when he was sent to the Reign, I remember he was predominantly used in the second unit. It took a while to finally use him as he should be.

 

[kingsboy11]

What the hell is this?

I dare someone to make this logo their avatar

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I would if I weren't so invested in this persona

 

[tigermask48]

I dare someone to make this logo their avatar

Screw it, I'll be your huckleberry since I need an updated one now that the koala and the 1-3-1 are gone.

 

[Lt Dan]

Screw it, I'll be your huckleberry

Look at Doc Holliday here!

 

[Maynard]

Screw it, I'll be your huckleberry since I need an updated one now that the koala and the 1-3-1 are gone.

You’re a daisy if you do.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Reign send Lawrence to the coast.

This is a boring older line up this year.

Dvorak to World Juniors and Lawrence to ECHL.

It’s basically a veteran line up and the notable young only additions are Jamsen and Booth.

 

[Statto]

Who had Jamsen for the Gordie Howe on their bingo card?

 

[Fat Elvis]

Who had Jamsen for the Gordie Howe on their bingo card?

Did he survive?

 

[kingsboy11]

Sounds like Kaliyev did well in his first game back, scored in the shootout.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Kaliyev had one shift in partiuclar where he looked like Malkin, dude was driven, hopefully he can keep that up

real fun game last night, Jamsen is the man too. Booth is coming along nicely as well. But of course, everyone looks good when you win.

Alternate identity night was a funny theme. I dig it.