Here’s your chance Dubas (Montgomery available)

[SEALBound]

Whether they are 38 years old or 18, they are elite athletes, still showing up to practice every day, doing everything they can while they're still here. This is their life; their existence and their purpose. They want to win more than anything.

Enough to demand they fire a coach whose system is no longer relevant?

 

[LOGiK]

Enough to demand they fire a coach whose system is no longer relevant?

Like an abusive mate people keep going back to.
or
Stockholm syndrome.
or
Both.

Either way they need help to get away from hcms

 

[canadianguy77]

What’s the point? Sully has us as a bottom 5 team now. We want those high picks right?

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

What’s the point? Sully has us as a bottom 5 team now. We want those high picks right?

Pretty much, yeah. But fire that f***ing loser the moment the regular season's over. Don't even want him influencing the draft pick, let alone coaching the next crop of top prospects coming into this system.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

What’s the point? Sully has us as a bottom 5 team now. We want those high picks right?

I just want him gone because I'm tired of his smug face.

I also don't want him to stick around for the rebuild so he can ruin any young prospect with even an ounce of offensive ability.

 

[cygnus47]

I just want him gone because I'm tired of his smug face.

I also don't want him to stick around for the rebuild so he can ruin any young prospect with even an ounce of offensive ability.

Yeah a big thing with our rebuild up to 09 was that we needed to re-instill the culture of winning and team-building. That took as much time as the roster stuff.

That's completely gone at this point and Sully is the number one culprit. When we're not winning, we need a coach can build on something every year and teach young players how to win, not one that is full of bullshit platitudes and plays favourites with players that are like he was.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah a big thing with our rebuild up to 09 was that we needed to re-instill the culture of winning and team-building. That took as much time as the roster stuff.

That's completely gone at this point and Sully is the number one culprit. When we're not winning, we need a coach can build on something every year and teach young players how to win, not one that is full of bullshit platitudes and plays favourites with players that are like he was.

I think a big thing with our rebuild up to 09 was getting a generational top 10 NHLer of all time, a top 30 NHLer of all time, and a defenseman who is going to finish likely top 20 all time in scoring.

That's the issue with Penguins fans is that they think they are just going to fall off and get these pieces again.

Look at the teams they have picked 1st overall. You have Colorado and Edmonton since our draft that got that level of player. That's it. Maybe you argue Kane / Hedman in those arguments, but lots of those cores were built by shrewd drafting and intelligent moves.

Dubas has no experience with either of those concepts.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

I think a big thing with our rebuild up to 09 was getting a generational top 10 NHLer of all time, a top 30 NHLer of all time, and a defenseman who is going to finish likely top 20 all time in scoring.

That's the issue with Penguins fans is that they think they are just going to fall off and get these pieces again.

Look at the teams they have picked 1st overall. You have Colorado and Edmonton since our draft that got that level of player. That's it. Maybe you argue Kane / Hedman in those arguments, but lots of those cores were built by shrewd drafting and intelligent moves.

Dubas has no experience with either of those concepts.

This is kind of why I chuckle at the "we need to rebuild NOW so we can be a dynasty again 5 years sooner than if we wait for Sid/Geno to retire" sentiment. Rebuilding isn't a guarantee of success unless you have a competent organization leading that rebuild. Relying on landing another Sid AND Geno AND Letang if only we'd just start rebuilding NOW is a fool's errand.

The first step in showing this organization understands where its going wrong would be firing Sullivan. At the very least, it would show they understand he's not the man for the job -- either now or when the rebuild happens. Until that happens, it really doesn't matter whether we "go for it", "retool on the fly" or "sell everything and totally rebuild". As long as Sullivan is seen as the God-Emperor of coaching, nothing changes.