Here’s your chance Dubas (Montgomery available)
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SomeDude
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The next coach should be one capable of developing young players.
I don’t know if that’s Montgomery. If it is, sure, hire him. Just don’t hire him because you expect him to make this roster win more.
I don’t know if that’s Montgomery. If it is, sure, hire him. Just don’t hire him because you expect him to make this roster win more.
molon labe
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You lost me in your first sentence.
Dubas burner account? Yeah man - we utterly F'N hate the dude at this point. Lived long enough to become the villian - about 3 years ago. Hire Steigerwald for all I care. Unbelievable he's made it this long.
It's gotta go deeper than that though. Fire him, then change the philosophy of stacking the team with people who can only defend on the penalty kill. Also, target players who can score goals and/or hit people.
BusinessGoose
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I just meant maybe Dubas felt there was no other viable options on the free market which, up until now may have been true. But if he doesn’t make a push for Monty, he’s insane.
HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
Unnecessary thread. Closing thread because we already HAVE a coach and his name is Mike Sullivan.
Honour Over Glory
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Who gives a f***?
Firing Sullivan would likely have a positive impact on 90% of this roster, the ones that were Sullivan's pets that didn't deserve the rope they got - like Acciari, Nieto, etc, won't be so lucky. f***ing Acciari and Nieto getting 15+ of ice time while Puljujarvi gets 10, Poulin and Pono even less while all 3 were better, lol.
Pretty sure a new coach with an actual defensive system that isn't Sullivan's would have a positive impact on this entire roster.
Won’t happen. What they won’t say is they’re comfortable losing. The players don’t want challenged and Montgomery would do that.
Honour Over Glory
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Who says they won't say it? They say they want to be a contender but Werner also stated he doesn't really care about the ticket sales and believes this team is capable of more rather than letting low attendance dictate moves.
Which basically says - we are losing attendance because we lose and we don't care because we believe in Mike Sullivan, for "reasons."
Attendance was 16,065 for this game - Fans couldn't even give enough of a shit to show up for Jake. 4th lowest attendance this season.
- Ducks - 14,945
- Wings - 15,191
- Sabres - 15,644
- Bolts - 16,065
Before this game, the Pens were above the Jets for capacity at 91.4%, after this game they're below the Jets at 91% while the Jets are now 91.4%...lol. 23rd in the league for capacity % and average attendance. But Werner doesn't care, he hearts Sullivan either way.
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Zbynek
Jarry friggin sucks dude
pistolpete11
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Bro...there has been a 'fire Sullivan' contingent on here since they got swept by the Islanders in the 2019 playoffs and it's done nothing but get more and more support as the years have gone on. I think there was maybe a poster or 2 left last year that defended Sullivan but all they could muster was "it's not all his fault". This year, there is nobody left defending Sullivan except FSG and Dubas who are the only people that matter on this topic.
So yes, we all agree they should fire Sullivan and hire Montgomery. But they won't.
So yes, we all agree they should fire Sullivan and hire Montgomery. But they won't.
spcastlemagic
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Ownership has a greater commitment to Sullivan than Malkin. They won’t do anything.
pistolpete11
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Sullivan (allegedly) went over Hextall's head, not Dubas'.
Regardless, even if he doesn't have the authority to fire Sullivan directly, he can lobby FSG to do it.
Jag68Sid87
Sullivan gots to go!
The argument that we can't fire Mike Sullivan because there is nobody better is as laughable as Sullivan's ice time distribution.
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Frankly there just aren’t a lot of good coaching candidates.
I think playing careers are so lucrative that guys don’t really need to get involved in coaching unless they’re just that type of person. And with advances in medicine and training careers are a lot longer so you have to get involved in coaching much later. And with the constant recycling of coaches and the fact that there’s not really a shelf life on them like there is a player, there’s not much room to move up. Kind of a logjam.
So you’ve got a lot of retreads that come with baggage and other shortcomings. But who are even the truly “young and up-and-coming” coaches out there? Warsofsky was one but even he was a little lacking in experience at lower levels isn’t doing great in SJ anyway. Even Gronborg and Fedorov over in Europe are pushing 60. Maybe our MacDonald but you’d wanna see a few years of AHL success before promoting him.
Since coaches tend to suck in their first go around and get better the second go around (Hynes, Sullivan, Cassidy, DeBoer) maybe we could give D.J. Smith a shot.
I forgot about Carle in Denver.. sounds promising but he’s literally never been inside a pro locker room. Just too green for me.
I think playing careers are so lucrative that guys don’t really need to get involved in coaching unless they’re just that type of person. And with advances in medicine and training careers are a lot longer so you have to get involved in coaching much later. And with the constant recycling of coaches and the fact that there’s not really a shelf life on them like there is a player, there’s not much room to move up. Kind of a logjam.
So you’ve got a lot of retreads that come with baggage and other shortcomings. But who are even the truly “young and up-and-coming” coaches out there? Warsofsky was one but even he was a little lacking in experience at lower levels isn’t doing great in SJ anyway. Even Gronborg and Fedorov over in Europe are pushing 60. Maybe our MacDonald but you’d wanna see a few years of AHL success before promoting him.
Since coaches tend to suck in their first go around and get better the second go around (Hynes, Sullivan, Cassidy, DeBoer) maybe we could give D.J. Smith a shot.
I forgot about Carle in Denver.. sounds promising but he’s literally never been inside a pro locker room. Just too green for me.
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Exactly. This is about being comfortable. Changing things takes work, and requires uncomfortable decisions be made. None of that shit here, bucko.
Buddy Bizarre
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If you fire a Montgomery, you're looking for a Montgomery....
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I don't often get into the deeper layers when talking about the current situation but in the past I HAVE laid blame at the feet of Sid, Geno, and Letang for the situation they are in. This summer there were significant talks about "Sullivan is loyal to Sid, Geno, and Letang". So in some capacity, I have no doubt that those three have weighed in on the situation and I would be SHOCKED if they all didn't say "we like and support Sullivan and want him to be the coach". And I have no doubt that drives the bus a little.
I assume that has to do with "comfort" at this stage of their career and maybe a little aversion to "risk". What if you get a new coach and you hate his guts and it falls apart worse than it is now. You don't want to retire on a sour note. At the very least, if you're going to go down, you go down with your "buddies" - Sullivan included.
Now, I HATE that as fan but I at least understand it from a player perspective to a slight extent. New leadership can be really tough. Is that a challenge they want to take on this late in the game? If yes, I support them. If not, that's fine they've earned the choice. But I don't want to see pouting about where they are at.
That all said, as much as I want Sullivan gone, I also want a top 5 pick this year and the top pick next year. So I'm a little iffy about getting a new coach that might turn things around.
HandshakeLine
A real jerk thing
I do not want Sullivan to develop our future, and given how badly Sid is playing this year, I’m not gonna cry if he’s not around for the new blood either.
I just can’t imagine Jordan, Brady, or whoever you want to plug in there just sitting on their hands and being comfortable with losing.
It’s so odd to me that Sid would choose comfort over competing. Geno too. It’s like the culture ruined their competitiveness. I hope that’s wrong.
It’s so odd to me that Sid would choose comfort over competing. Geno too. It’s like the culture ruined their competitiveness. I hope that’s wrong.
What are the odds we hear about it? And what are the odds posters on this board will make their own assumptions and accusations regardless of whether they hear anything at all?
