Value of: Henrique @50% to NYR

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Someone should def be added esp if Chytil is still dealing w/concussions.

But it should start w/Edstrom, now.
4th line to start
others move up
Bonino has moved up. The other option is Goodrow. Both are black holes offensively. Drury is going to go for someone with better hands. Henrique is a guy who I would think fits Drury’s MO.

In a vacuum no
But in real application, we have done rentals for so long, we are effed w/lack of picks
trading prospect for prospect could be ok
but otherwise
No spending assets unless it is for a foundation piece
We may not want to see Drury move additional assets to win now. But that doesn’t matter. GM’s don’t have a long lifespan. This team is in 1st place. Drury is going to add and it’s probably not going to be a core peace.
 
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Bonino has moved up. The other option is Goodrow. Both are black holes offensively. Drury is going to go for someone with better hands. Henrique is a guy who I would think fits Drury’s MO.
Again my friend you are not wrong
BUT
lesser of 2 3vils is to promote from within
rentals are killing our window
like those buying lotto tickets = signif odds vs

foundation pieces only
or prospect for prospect type deals, imo

Bonino has moved up. The other option is Goodrow. Both are black holes offensively. Drury is going to go for someone with better hands. Henrique is a guy who I would think fits Drury’s MO.


We may not want to see Drury move additional assets to win now. But that doesn’t matter. GM’s don’t have a long lifespan. This team is in 1st place. Drury is going to add and it’s probably not going to be a core peace.
bold = again, can't control what is actually done
bern is right
most of the rental adds were wrong moves
If Drury does this it will be wrong in the long run
 

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Again my friend you are not wrong
BUT
lesser of 2 3vils is to promote from within
rentals are killing our window
like those buying lotto tickets = signif odds vs

foundation pieces only
or prospect for prospect type deals, imo


bold = again, can't control what is actually done
bern is right
most of the rental adds were wrong moves
If Drury does this it will be wrong in the long run
I don’t think Drury is as concerned about the long run as you and I. Having said this, despite the nice young core we have there’s still another wave that’ll be making their way into the lineup over the next few years, like Othmann, Sykora and Perreault.

Drury dangling a 2nd + jones isn’t going to kill our pipeline. We’re not the Pens with a bunch of fossils up and down our roster, depleted of picks and prospects.
 
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In a vacuum no
But in real application, we have done rentals for so long, we are effed w/lack of picks
trading prospect for prospect could be ok
but otherwise
No spending assets unless it is for a foundation piece
I mean they probably are going to spend a bunch of picks, though. The Rangers’ window as it stands will effectively go to the end of Panarin’s contract - their top forwards, goaltender, and Fox are all in their primes, now is the time for them to go all-in.

Obviously there are weak spots in the roster and circumstances could be better vis-a-vis analytics, defensive pairings, and the 3c situation, but that’s the way it is. This is their opportunity to try and gear up for a run. This team is in first league-wide halfway through the season, Drury isn’t going to be reluctant to make a push.
 
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Agreed.

He is a guy who can play anywhere in the lineup in every situation on the wing or in the middle. He is great at faceoffs also.

No reason he shouldn’t get a 1st at 50%.
The only reason I can think that he won’t get a 1st is that he doesn’t have 1st value. Other than that sure, get the 1st.
 
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2nd + prospect/3rd whichever Anaheim would rather have with the retention needed. Anaheim can ask for a 1st but nobody is going to bite at that price. Only soo many 1st rounders will be in play and Henrique just isn't the calibre of player needed to pull one of the 1st that get moved.
 

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I mean they probably are going to spend a bunch of picks, though. The Rangers’ window as it stands will effectively go to the end of Panarin’s contract - their top forwards, goaltender, and Fox are all in their primes, now is the time for them to go all-in.

Obviously there are weak spots in the roster and circumstances could be better vis-a-vis analytics, defensive pairings, and the 3c situation, but that’s the way it is. This is their opportunity to try and gear up for a run. This team is in first league-wide halfway through the season, Drury isn’t going to be reluctant to make a push.
Bern, like me, has been burned seeing this franchise forfeit a copious amount of futures for immediate success. It’s worked once in the last 30 years. I hate seeing us trade high end picks or assets for rentals.

Bern wants to see us use those resources and target core players. The issue is the core players he wants are not available. Or, not available for the pieces he wants to move.

I’m ok seeing us trade a 2nd + decent prospect for a guy like Henrique. We know Drury will make a move. This move does absolutely help us and it won’t cost us one of our higher end assets.
 
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2nd + prospect/3rd whichever Anaheim would rather have with the retention needed. Anaheim can ask for a 1st but nobody is going to bite at that price. Only soo many 1st rounders will be in play and Henrique just isn't the calibre of player needed to pull one of the 1st that get moved.
I think he can get a conditional 1st on said team making conference finals.

He basically does everything you want from a deadline pick up, and an insurance plan if anyone in your top 6 goes out
 

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I don’t think Drury is as concerned about the long run as you and I. Having said this, despite the nice young core we have there’s still another wave that’ll be making their way into the lineup over the next few years, like Othmann, Sykora and Perreault.

Drury dangling a 2nd + jones isn’t going to kill our pipeline. We’re not the Pens with a bunch of fossils up and down our roster, depleted of picks and prospects.
nothing caustic/abrasive in the bold
But I refuse to give Drury or anybody else a pass here.
Stats show in all sports 99-ish% of the time win now moves esp rentals = epic fail

Having the authority to go there and do that does not make those right.
'Right' is established on what is correct, or in the absence of an entirely correct singular solution, the least bad or best good choice based on merit.

I don't get them all right all the time
but
if we are honest, going w/bern measured approach
regard our assets as with value, not candy to be given away
and yes, ok to overpay in isolated circumstances esp for foundation pieces
but not in ordinary course of biz as we have seen in recent years
then nyr would be better off.

I mean they probably are going to spend a bunch of picks, though. The Rangers’ window as it stands will effectively go to the end of Panarin’s contract - their top forwards, goaltender, and Fox are all in their primes, now is the time for them to go all-in.

Obviously there are weak spots in the roster and circumstances could be better vis-a-vis analytics, defensive pairings, and the 3c situation, but that’s the way it is. This is their opportunity to try and gear up for a run. This team is in first league-wide halfway through the season, Drury isn’t going to be reluctant to make a push.
Bold = This is the trap.
All in is almost always a failure.
 

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Bern, like me, has been burned seeing this franchise forfeit a copious amount of futures for immediate success. It’s worked once in the last 30 years. I hate seeing us trade high end picks or assets for rentals.

Bern wants to see us use those resources and target core players.
The issue is the core players he wants are not available. Or, not available for the pieces he wants to move.

I’m ok seeing us trade a 2nd + decent prospect for a guy like Henrique. We know Drury will make a move. This move does absolutely help us and it won’t cost us one of our higher end assets.
Agree 111% of the bold; the underline, maybe, depending on the targets and the price and the return.

For example, you want a guy like Sanderson, you have to expect to overpay.
It is reasonable to say Sens fans don't want to move him, and wouldn't --- ORDINARILY.
But that said, I am optimistic that in the totality of circumstances, a deal CAN be had with enuf on the table for OTT to have to seriously consider yes, which Rs can still live with.

peace out til next time
 

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Henrique’s skating isn’t the best and considering that was one of their problems last year and Laviolette’s system, I have concerns about whether or not he’s a fit.
 

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I think he can get a conditional 1st on said team making conference finals.

He basically does everything you want from a deadline pick up, and an insurance plan if anyone in your top 6 goes out

That ties up two draft picks.

If the acquiring team has the opportunity to trade for someone else to make a run, they wouldn’t be able to because both the 1st and 2nd are tied up with contingencies.
 

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Some Montreal fans seem to be banking on that same thought with Sean Monahan. I just don't see it.
The thing is though after Henrique and Monahan there is a pretty significant drop off for available forwards and I just feel like they're both players you can trust to mesh within your lineup. I think both of them more likely land around 2nd + 3rd/4th value but I wouldn't be shocked by a conditional 1st. In the case of Monahan it might be conditions on both staying healthy and winning a round or two, I also think Monahan is just a better player tbh
 

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He’s still gonna get something nice - as mentioned by several others, a retained Henrique is going to have a large market which could drive his price to a level that may surprise. He just fits lots of roles and offers the kind of veteran play teams are looking to stock up on at a palatable cap hit if retained. In short, he’s the ideal rental.

That said, I can’t help but think the Ducks missed a chance to maximize his trade value at last year’s deadline. He was a year young, playing better (IMO) and would’ve been a two playoff-run rental.
 

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That said, I can’t help but think the Ducks missed a chance to maximize his trade value at last year’s deadline. He was a year young, playing better (IMO) and would’ve been a two playoff-run rental.

There was a fair bit of chatter about a potential Henrique deal last year, but then he got injured shortly before the deadline (late February).
 

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I feel like he’s exactly what you want to spend a 1st on as a playoff team.

I think he'd be a good playoff performer, but that's all driven by his run with NJ in 2012, which was a long time ago. Since then he's only appeared in 4 playoff games back in 2018, going pointless.

Just seems like players that return 1st rounders are bigger names than Henrique.
 
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I think he'd be a good playoff performer, but that's all driven by his run with NJ in 2012, which was a long time ago. Since then he's only appeared in 4 playoff games back in 2018, going pointless.

Just seems like players that return 1st rounders are bigger names than Henrique.
Out of curiosity who? Within realm of his cost
 

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Out of curiosity who? Within realm of his cost

How many pending UFA's got moved last year for a 1st round pick? Horvat was one, but he was much younger and the premier TDL addition. O'Reilly and Orlov were acquired as part of bigger deals involving a 1st.

Maybe the Ducks can return a 1st for Henrique, but I'd be surprised if that were the case. I would gladly eat crow if they do.
 

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The condition to a 1st would have me pass. 2nd plus mid pick with a condition to become a 3rd/2nd, or mid prospect would be my absolute ceiling. If you can get that 1st from another team, more power to you
 

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