Value of: Henrik Lundqvist
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It's 100% up to him for next 3 yrs min. After that, Rangers will have to do something besides trade w/Shestyorkin (sp?) Halverson, Hulska and Skapski at min, which means shared or backup for Hank. Presumably he does not want to kill himself, and accepts this, but ego v brain is always tough for every human.
If/when he says ok, deal me out, the price would be
Gurianov, Honka + 1st
no Lehtonen, you flip him on your own
By then there are even more other suitors for Hank than now
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Lundqvist (8.5) and Raanta (1) for Lehtonen (5.9) and Niemi (4.5) + +
Rangers add 900k in cap. Both Lehtonen and Niemi are gone in 2 years. Either one can be exposed in the expansion draft.
The pluses would need to be significant and it's very doubtful that it would ever happen anyway, but that's what would make the most sense if we were to trade him.
Rangers add 900k in cap. Both Lehtonen and Niemi are gone in 2 years. Either one can be exposed in the expansion draft.
The pluses would need to be significant and it's very doubtful that it would ever happen anyway, but that's what would make the most sense if we were to trade him.
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I personally have no problem taking Lehtonen back in a Lundqvist deal. By the time Lehtonen's deal is up the Russian kid will be ready and the Rangers will have given themselves a couple of years to rebuild in earnest.
Rangers are going to be asking for Honka. They are big fans of his and he plays the position that they need the most. I don't know if it's a deal breaker, but it really should not be. Lundqvist exponentially improves the cup chances in Dallas and their window just opened.
Lehtonen, Honka and 1st (which would probably be 30th overall). Maybe some change is a fair deal considering what goalies have been fetching on the market.
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I'm a Devils fan and I even know Luddy has carried the Rags on his back to the playoffs. I do agree though, if they do not make it this season he should be traded because they are on the cusp of a MUST HAVE rebuild.
Umm... He's number 15 on the all time playoff save percentage list. One could argue that it's a testament to how bad the rest of the team is rater than Lundqqvist. Five games does not erase his past accomplishments.
That being said, he would look good with Dallas or Calgary.
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Who's going to need a goalie? Not much of a market unless someone gets hurt long-term. I'd assume if the Rangers would trade him, since it'd be a rebuild, they could retain max salary to maximize the return. But even cap aside, I don't see much goalie market, especially with Bishop and possibly Crawford(and Howard and Halak and various Jets goalies) all possibly being moved in the next year or so.
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And how else would Dallas be able to afford the massive caphit of Lundquist ? Not that it matters. Rangers will want too much back and i don't think Lunquists contract warrants a big haul . Not at this stage of his career.
LOL at fans going on about Lundqvist 8.5 million cap hit . Most good goalies , not great goalies make around 6 million . If you are sending your starting goalie back you are adding 2.5 million for one of the games best and that 2.5 million is not even considering what else goes to the NYR . I really don't see it as being that hard to clear the space for Lundqvist for a contending team that a great goalie away from a cup
You are not getting a team to add 8.5 million unless you are taking their starting goalie back as part of Lundqvist deal . It also gives you a stop gap
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Between the contenders tight to the cap and those with quality goaltending already it must be a short list.
Lundqvist is one player i'd really like to see hoist a cup, probably won't happen with the Rangers unfortunately.
Lundqvist is one player i'd really like to see hoist a cup, probably won't happen with the Rangers unfortunately.
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He's certainly not untradeable, there are enough good ole boy's who are GM's that would take him just to tell the story about the time they got Lundqvist. Wait I might just be thinking of Sather
Regardless, Hanks value to the Rangers if he remains on the team is minimal. His value to the owner who would rather get playoff revenue than do things right is extremely high.
IMHO we just watched a final where both goatlender's were young, one a rookie and the other a first year starter. They made the saves they needed to make, and some spectacular ones as well. But they weren't asked to carry their teams night in and night out like Hank has been for 80% of his career. He's only had one or two contender caliber teams in front of him IMHO, and the game has changed a bit in terms of what position and type of players are the most valuable to their teams.
I'm really concerned with how he'll play this season, it's do or die IMO if he has a bad first half to the year moving him and his albatross contract is going to be extremely difficult. If he puts up a Vezina worthy first half management will be too stubborn to move him.
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No chance anything close to that package would happen unless the pluses are Seguin and Benn
NYR would be in near full fire sale mode with that swap of goalies and it is something Gorton, Sather, and Dolan have no interest doing any time soon
He really is because of all the factors:
-lundqvists age
-lundqvists cap hit
-term remaining on his contract
-other teams in market for a #1 goalie right now
-lundqvists prime window left (2 years?)
-teams with a shot at a cup in the next 2-3 years
-team with the cap space to fit his cap hit
-team with assets to be able to trade for lundqvist
-team willing to part with those assets
-NYR agreeing to the trade and pieces returning
-Lundqvist waiving full NTC/NMC
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Lehtonen+Niemi+Nichushkin/Guryanov+Hansson/Honka for Lundqvist+Raanta. It works out salary wise for you guys the next few years. After that, it gets tough with Lundqvist's contract, but this is the time for you guys to go for the Cup. Our window has closed. You guys need a goalie, and a goalie who will probably be in the hall of fame is available with probably 2 or 3 good seasons left.
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I think his first playoff series ever back in 2006 against the Devils and this past playoffs against the Pens were the only really bad playoffs he's had. That's a whopping 7 games combined between those two. He's had a couple so-so ones between 2006 and 2012. He was great in 2012, thought he was pretty good in 2013 from what I remember. Goal support was an issue that year. He was amazing in 2014 and pretty good in 2015 up until a couple games in the Tampa series.
I'm not sure if they're the only team that doesn't have a very good goalie or their team or in their organizational pipeline, but they definitely are the only contender that doesn't have a good goaltender and have been screwed for the past two years by goaltending. In 14-15 by missing with the playoffs with the second highest scoring team in the league and a .903 Lehtonen starting over 65 games. And were eliminated in a game 7 of the second round, single handedly on the back of the worst goaltended period I've seen in a playoff game in a LONG time. Forget how many goals were scored, the kinds of goals that were being scored on Lehtonen that game were BRUTAL and more than just ''That goal was kind of stoppable'' kinds of goals.
That was my first thought. Never say never, nothing shocks me anymore after that.
This screams Dallas. They would have won game 7 and beaten St Louis even an average goaltender in nets. They might have won that series in 6 with an average goaltender. They probably also would have cruised through Minnesota in round one with an average goaltender. Also considering that Lundqvist was not good against Pittsburgh, he did get injured in game 1. Maybe he doesn't get injured if he were playing for Dallas last year? Maybe that sequence doesn't happen? It wasn't a wear and tear injury, so maybe under different in game circumstances, that doesn't happen playing in a different game than game 1 against Pittsburgh.
His cap hit is too high, even though he's probably worth it for now and will still be elite for another few years at least, just as Luongo has aged very well. I expect him to still be playing like that in 3 years, maybe even longer if he's lucky.
One thing is for sure, if the Rangers trade him, the tear down is for real. They'll be selling off more than just him if that happens. I don't see that happening for at least a few more years.
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Is this a joke?
Lehtonen and Niemi are both cap dumps. We don't want them, but we are taking them to balance the cap hits. Nichushkin for Gropp doesn't come close to bridging the value gap between Lundqvist/Raanta and Lehtonen/Niemi.
Take out Gropp and add Honka, then we can talk.
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Hank saw more high danger shots in the Pitt series than low danger shots. Also factor in the fact he's seen a 1,000 more high danger shots over the last three seasons than the next goalie. It's pretty amazing this team has done as well as it has.
What other goalies have to deal with man to man defensive system that has multiple guys chasing behind the net while leaving the slot unattended.
What other goalies have to deal with man to man defensive system that has multiple guys chasing behind the net while leaving the slot unattended.
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His regular season and playoff stats are nearly identical. He's a little sharper in the playoffs actually.
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Unless you are trying to say Nichushkin for Gropp is lopsided in the favor of Nichushkin, it is a cap dump. What do you think the pick value for Nichushkin would be if he was traded? I think a second, which is what Gropp is. A mid-second who's played so far like a mid-second. I'd say that part of the trade is pretty even. Nichushkin is two drafts ahead of Gropp, so he's probably a 3rd line NHL player this season while Gropp will probably play in the AHL this season, but I think they probably have similar projections to the NHL. Both are likely middle six wingers.
With the swapping of the goalies, top 5 starter in the game+average back up for two fringe #1's is a big advantage for the team getting the top 5 starter in the game. Unless you are saying Lundqvist's last three years of his contract cancels out the difference in quality of the goalies the Stars would be getting and the pretty even cap situation for goalies of the two teams for the first two seasons of the trade, I don't know how the Rangers wouldn't be improving the quality of their team or system while trading a top 5 goalie in the game.
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