Proposal: Hellebucyk for your goalie +

[GreeningOil]

R

Because none of it addresses any of the Jets needs

Removing the jets #1 goalie signals to me that you’d be in scorched earth mode. 2 good assets, an expiring goalie and a serviceable offensive dman isn’t so bad

 

[Snowman]

R

Removing the jets #1 goalie signals to me that you’d be in scorched earth mode. 2 good assets, an expiring goalie and a serviceable offensive dman isn’t so bad

No, it's horrible for the Jets. If an elite goalie could be had that cheaply, you'd think Edmonton would have one already.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

To solidify the goalie position from the leafs id offer
To
Leafs
Hellebuyck

To
Jets
2022 1st
2023 1st
2024 2nd turns into a 1st if the leafs win the cup in 22,23, or 24
Mrazek

Winnipeg gets 2 1sts and a 2nd and a goalie they can plug in for the short term, and the second has a chance to turn into a 1st.

Toronto gets a franchise goalie who combined with their crazy offense and solid d could push them over the top for a cup.

 

[jgimp]

R

Removing the jets #1 goalie signals to me that you’d be in scorched earth mode. 2 good assets, an expiring goalie and a serviceable offensive dman isn’t so bad

I think that offer would be beat quite handily. In a perfect trade Peg would be getting a good goalie prospect back. Say Helly to Buffalo for Levi+.
I don’t think he goes anywhere anyways unless he demands a trade anyways. They just need to fire everyone on the bench and bring in a new voice with a system based on speed and skill ala Colorado.
I do think they make a locker room shakeup trade whether it’s Scheifele or whatnot, but doubt its Helly.

 

[DarthProbert]

Skinner, Bourgeault, 1st, cap dump. That's a team that quits wasting McDavid and Draisaitl's careers saying "maybe next year".

 

[jgimp]

To solidify the goalie position from the leafs id offer
To
Leafs
Hellebuyck

To
Jets
2022 1st
2023 1st
2024 2nd turns into a 1st if the leafs win the cup in 22,23, or 24
Mrazek

Winnipeg gets 2 1sts and a 2nd and a goalie they can plug in for the short term, and the second has a chance to turn into a 1st.

Toronto gets a franchise goalie who combined with their crazy offense and solid d could push them over the top for a cup.

A bunch of late 1sts that won’t make the roster for 4-5-6 years isn’t going to cut it. Jets need an elite goalie prospect back as we have no one in our system (although I still have faith in Holm) so unless he was part of an another trade then this deal doesn’t make sense.

 

[Kaen]

R

Removing the jets #1 goalie signals to me that you’d be in scorched earth mode. 2 good assets, an expiring goalie and a serviceable offensive dman isn’t so bad

While I'm of the opinion that Barrie isn't as awful as he is made out to be on HF, the Jets have better uses for that cap space as they don't really need a PP specialist. Kosk is whatever, warm body to fill the net for the rest of the year. Broberg while a good prospect, is not the centrepiece the Jets would be looking for if they did trade Helle as they have a solid pipeline on the left side right now. Even if it were a need, I still feel the value is a little light.

All of that is of course ignoring that trading Helle would be an awful idea. The Jets have no other starter options, with none in the pipeline and even if they did trading one of the best goalies in the league usually doesn't fare well for the team's success.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

A bunch of late 1sts that won’t make the roster for 4-5-6 years isn’t going to cut it. Jets need an elite goalie prospect back as we have no one in our system (although I still have faith in Holm) so unless he was part of an another trade then this deal doesn’t make sense.

Well I'm sure you know the jets needs better then i do, I also know the leafs don't have an elite goalie prospect, just a few decent ones. So no match I guess. Thanks for your insight.

 

[GreeningOil]

While I'm of the opinion that Barrie isn't as awful as he is made out to be on HF, the Jets have better uses for that cap space as they don't really need a PP specialist. Kosk is whatever, warm body to fill the net for the rest of the year. Broberg while a good prospect, is not the centrepiece the Jets would be looking for if they did trade Helle as they have a solid pipeline on the left side right now. Even if it were a need, I still feel the value is a little light.

All of that is of course ignoring that trading Helle would be an awful idea. The Jets have no other starter options, with none in the pipeline and even if they did trading one of the best goalies in the league usually doesn't fare well for the team's success.

This is a constructive response. Many thanks.

 

[GreeningOil]

No, it's horrible for the Jets. If an elite goalie could be had that cheaply, you'd think Edmonton would have one already.

Everyone says things like this, but rarely do trades ever materialize that a team gets several assets for 1.

I would be open to a response that adds value. I.e. we need a solid forward prospect… Bourgault can be had.

 

[Heldig]

While I'm of the opinion that Barrie isn't as awful as he is made out to be on HF, the Jets have better uses for that cap space as they don't really need a PP specialist. Kosk is whatever, warm body to fill the net for the rest of the year. Broberg while a good prospect, is not the centrepiece the Jets would be looking for if they did trade Helle as they have a solid pipeline on the left side right now. Even if it were a need, I still feel the value is a little light.

All of that is of course ignoring that trading Helle would be an awful idea. The Jets have no other starter options, with none in the pipeline and even if they did trading one of the best goalies in the league usually doesn't fare well for the team's success.

I dont disagree it being an "awful idea" even if it were mine.

My thinking was to test the market...Jets are clearly NOT contending as they are currently constructed. They only have 2 more years of hellebucyk under contract.

ONE option is to move on from the older core (some combo of Hellebucyk, Scheifele, Wheeler), get some great new assets and enter next season as a young and talented team on the rise.

 

[TFHockey]

Most Jets fans feel Hellebucyk is untouchable, however IF the Jets do tear it down he should be saught after.

Jets would need a goalie back. What does your team offer?

Koskinen (UFA in 29 games) + Mike Smith + 2022 1st + Xavier Bourgault + conditional 2nd pick (becomes another 1st if conditions met).

Oilers recall Skinner to back up Hellebucyk.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Interesting that the offers for Gibson are better, yet Helly has won a Veniza more recently and has been top 3 the year before that.

 

[Smitty426]

That one is interesting. Blackwood has show he could be a serviceable #1. The 2022 1st will be a top 10 pick.

I know he said picks, but we're not giving a top 10 pick up. It just aint happenin

 

[Huffer]

Interesting that the offers for Gibson are better, yet Helly has won a Veniza more recently and has been top 3 the year before that.

My thought as well. In the Gibson thread there are some legit offers, but Helle gets garbage.

 

[Big Muddy]

Most Jets fans feel Hellebucyk is untouchable, however IF the Jets do tear it down he should be saught after.

Jets would need a goalie back. What does your team offer?

Hard to understand the logic. Good goalies aren't easy to get. Just ask any team that doesn't have one and is being held back because of it. Hellebucyk's term and AAV is not bad and pretty decent as well.

 

[Big Muddy]

I know he is part of the core...just seeing what the (fan) market might be.

Why? All you are going to get is a lot of dumb posts/responses.

 

[Snowman]

Everyone says things like this, but rarely do trades ever materialize that a team gets several assets for 1.

I would be open to a response that adds value. I.e. we need a solid forward prospect… Bourgault can be had.

Exactly, if you know deals like that don't normally happen, why would you propose one?

When teams are trading one of their best players they are not looking for a quantity of lower end players and picks in return, as you offered. They are looking for a hockey trade where they get one or two higher end, similar quality players or prospects/picks that fill a need for the team.

So, you're offer would need to be built around a similar tier younger goalie or goalie prospect or a RHD/prospect with at least top 4 upside, maybe even top pair.

 

[jgimp]

Exactly, if you know deals like that don't normally happen, why would you propose one?

When teams are trading one of their best players they are not looking for a quantity of lower end players and picks in return, as you offered. They are looking for a hockey trade where they get one or two higher end, similar quality players or prospects/picks that fill a need for the team.

So, you're offer would need to be built around a similar tier younger goalie or goalie prospect or a RHD/prospect with at least top 4 upside, maybe even top pair.

I proposed in CF a trade based on Helly for Samsonov/Lappiere for Helly. Good trade for both teams, Washington being win now and Jets looking for a quick retool. It seems to have been welcomed by both sides and fits what each needs.
Thanks the kind of deal I would be looking for

 

[Heldig]

Koskinen (UFA in 29 games) + Mike Smith + 2022 1st + Xavier Bourgault + conditional 2nd pick (becomes another 1st if conditions met).

Oilers recall Skinner to back up Hellebucyk.

Quick and easy no thanks. Keep Mike Smith. Add Skinner.

 

[Heldig]

Hard to understand the logic. Good goalies aren't easy to get. Just ask any team that doesn't have one and is being held back because of it. Hellebucyk's term and AAV is not bad and pretty decent as well.

Logic is I fear Hellebucyk will test free agency in 2 years. Jets are not contenders now. Need significant changes to become one before his contract expires. So, do you make other changes in the summer and wait a year...if still struggling then trade him? That is an option. But first, assess the market now. Maybe it is enticing enough to move on, add a few future core pieces.

 

[Adam da bomb]

My thought as well. In the Gibson thread there are some legit offers, but Helle gets garbage.

For Gibson someone offered a 1st + Holloway/ Broberg + Skinner
Skinner a younger goalie who is better than Kosk.
For Helly. They offer Koskinen + Mike Smith + 2022 1st first. I don't know about Bourgault being as good as Holloway + 2 cap dumps.

You would think it was Gibson who won the Veniza in the last 3 years.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

For Gibson someone offered a 1st + Holloway/ Broberg + Skinner
Skinner a younger goalie who is better than Kosk.
For Helly. They offer Koskinen + Mike Smith + 2022 1st first. I don't know about Bourgault being as good as Holloway + 2 cap dumps.

You would think it was Gibson who won the Veniza in the last 3 years.

Hellebuyck is a better goalie then Gibson, and to be fair I said the leafs would offer minimum 2 1sts and a 2nd if Winnipeg was interested in picks but I was told they aren't. Hes worth a lot and if the leafs could trade for him I'd pray they would do what was necessary to get him.

 

[KevinRedkey]

Matt Murray
OTT 2nd
TBL 2nd
Jarventie (worth a early 2nd)
Brannstrom

Nothing elite but a bunch of good pieces.

Probably not enough though. I'd add a 1st instead of a 2nd but only if it's not top 5

 

[Oddbob]

Francouz
2023 2nd

Yikes!