Player Discussion: Heinola Thread

[Moloch]

with ville coming into the lineup anyways i guess now is the best time for D pair blendings. If samberg is out 4-6 weeks that puts him back in the lineup beginning of jan, we play about 22 games between now and then. Schedule also eases up somewhat after the road trip which is good news.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Honestly Stanley is probably PK1 for the period Samberg is out. He's going to get minutes, and he is definitely playing injured so that should be a concern.

Fleury is probably PK2. And he has to find his game that was good at the start if the season.

Heinola coming back may look like Perfetti missing part of TC, but worse because there is no 4 day layoffs for practice and San Jose to get up to speed. Heinola will be targeted by other teams right off the hop.

A good game in Minny will keep him in the lineup. So I guess it starts there.

I wonder if they ask Morrissey to play some more defensive minutes move pionk to 1st pp and Heinola to 2nd unit and their 30 seconds a game. As Morrissey is capable of playing in a defensive role and it manages the minutes. Give Morrissey the 2nd unit pk minutes.

 

[Crocket]

Making the roster means you are part of the 22/23 players on the roster - it doesn't mean you play every game. They carried two Dmen in the PB LY (as part of the roster) and rotated them through out the yr. Stan was on the roster and likely would have been regardless of Ville's status -
Ville might replace Stan one day but that is yet to be proven - Ville still needs to show Arniel that he can play effective reg season minutes.
And just because he is scheduled to play against Minnie doesn't mean he has replaced anyone.

Nobody is saying that. But I guess with Samberg and Stan injured, Fleury and Heinola are probably playing.

Fleury will probably play with Pionk. Heinola is going to take a while to get up to speed. That injury and second surgery will definitely affect him. Hopefully he recovers fully.

 

[LowLefty]

Nobody is saying that. But I guess with Samberg and Stan injured, Fleury and Heinola are probably playing.

Fleury will probably play with Pionk. Heinola is going to take a while to get up to speed. That injury and second surgery will definitely affect him. Hopefully he recovers fully.

The discussion I was responding to was about making the "roster" - I was pointing out that the roster includes those in the PD - that's all.

 

[Crocket]

Any sense if JoMo was hurt on that hit vs the preds? Sometimes concussions show later on

 

[LowLefty]

I get it. But what's insanity to me is Stanley playing 2nd pair... let's see what Arniel does and gp from there I guess.

May as well see what we have in Heinola. We know Fleury is a fringe NHLer. Maybe Heinola shits the bed. Why not at least see how he does? What if he does well the first game?

Someone has to play second pair that is likely not a second pair dman - that's what happens when you lose a really good dman to injury.
So you usually go with someone who's playing 3rd pair -
What's insanity to me is dropping a guy into our top 4 with very little NHL experience and missed a ton of time coming off an injury.
You can very well see what you have in Ville on the third pair - and if it's good enough, move him up - walk before you run maybe.

 

[KingBogo]

Someone has to play second pair that is likely not a second pair dman - that's what happens when you lose a really good dman to injury.
So you usually go with someone who's playing 3rd pair -
What's insanity to me is dropping a guy into our top 4 with very little NHL experience and missed a ton of time coming off an injury.
You can very well see what you have in Ville on the third pair - and if it's good enough, move him up - walk before you run maybe.

Agreed. I think the right move is to move Fluery up and slot Heinola into the 3rd pair with Miller. You’d want to shelter him a bit and not throw him into the deep end night one.

 

[Flair Hay]

Someone has to play second pair that is likely not a second pair dman - that's what happens when you lose a really good dman to injury.
So you usually go with someone who's playing 3rd pair -
What's insanity to me is dropping a guy into our top 4 with very little NHL experience and missed a ton of time coming off an injury.
You can very well see what you have in Ville on the third pair - and it's it good enough, move him up - walk before you run maybe.

There are a few ways to shelter players. Specifically defensemen.

Good Partner
Softer matchups
Less Ice time

I'd argue in that order. People talking like throwing him into the top 4 isn't fair to him. But if he is playing with DeMelo, that's likely the best way to put him in a position to succeed. Not putting him on the 3rd pair. Just my opinion.

Heinola has always had top four potential. May as well see if we have a gem on our hands or just another #7

 

[LowLefty]

Agreed. I think the right move is to move Fluery up and slot Heinola into the 3rd pair with Miller. You’d want to shelter him a bit and not throw him into the deep end night one.

Stan still might be the guy that moves up once he's back - either / either I suppose.

 

[LowLefty]

There are a few ways to shelter players. Specifically defensemen.

Good Partner
Softer matchups
Less Ice time

I'd argue in that order. People talking like throwing him into the top 4 isn't fair to him. But if he is playing with DeMelo, that's likely the best way to put him in a position to succeed. Not putting him on the 3rd pair. Just my opinion.

Heinola has always had top four potential. May as well see if we have a gem on our hands or just another #7

Potential? That and a dime used to get you a phone call
Kidding aside, I have no issue with slotting Ville in if he shows he can handle it -
What I don't get is, why start him there?

If this is just about how we think a player might do if given the chance, I'm fine with that - we all have the right to speculate.

 

[voyageur]

I wonder if they ask Morrissey to play some more defensive minutes move pionk to 1st pp and Heinola to 2nd unit and their 30 seconds a game. As Morrissey is capable of playing in a defensive role and it manages the minutes. Give Morrissey the 2nd unit pk minutes.

Given that it was on a PK shot block the worst thing that could possibly happen to JMo is to get injured on the PK. The Jets would be really tested then. And if he ends up playing more of a defensive role in Sammy's absence, with Pionk and Heinola (perhaps separately) able to pick up some of the offensive slack, I think that's already more wear and tear. And we've seen him get targeted more than once this year. Which is also concerning.

I'd rather see Miller than Morrissey on PK2, play Pionk on his offside.

I wonder who comes off the PP if Heinola gets a look. Probably not Pionk. My guess would be Iafallo.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Given that it was on a PK shot block the worst thing that could possibly happen to JMo is to get injured on the PK. The Jets would be really tested then. And if he ends up playing more of a defensive role in Sammy's absence, with Pionk and Heinola (perhaps separately) able to pick up some of the offensive slack, I think that's already more wear and tear. And we've seen him get targeted more than once this year. Which is also concerning.

I'd rather see Miller than Morrissey on PK2, play Pionk on his offside.

I wonder who comes off the PP if Heinola gets a look. Probably not Pionk. My guess would be Iafallo.

It's interesting we expect our star forwards to play a more defensive role without thinking about the wear and tear and how we need their offense more than they give up defenisvely uring the regular season.

 

[voyageur]

It's interesting we expect our star forwards to play a more defensive role without thinking about the wear and tear and how we need their offense more than they give up defenisvely uring the regular season.

For the Jets, particularly but not exclusively on home ice, hard defensive matchups are taken by Lowry's line that is winning them. Kupari's line has been good too. Which takes some pressure off the stars and gives Ehlers line good advanced stats.

 

[Duke749]

That's what she said.

I’d say I walked into that, but it’s like I inserted that one…

 

[KingBogo]

Given that it was on a PK shot block the worst thing that could possibly happen to JMo is to get injured on the PK. The Jets would be really tested then. And if he ends up playing more of a defensive role in Sammy's absence, with Pionk and Heinola (perhaps separately) able to pick up some of the offensive slack, I think that's already more wear and tear. And we've seen him get targeted more than once this year. Which is also concerning.

I'd rather see Miller than Morrissey on PK2, play Pionk on his offside.

I wonder who comes off the PP if Heinola gets a look. Probably not Pionk. My guess would be Iafallo.

Personally I'd keep Morrisey off the PK, unless you were desperate. The increased injury risk due to shot blocking isn't worth the risk.

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[KingBogo]

There are a few ways to shelter players. Specifically defensemen.

Good Partner
Softer matchups
Less Ice time

I'd argue in that order. People talking like throwing him into the top 4 isn't fair to him. But if he is playing with DeMelo, that's likely the best way to put him in a position to succeed. Not putting him on the 3rd pair. Just my opinion.

Heinola has always had top four potential. May as well see if we have a gem on our hands or just another #7

I'd put softer matchups as #1. Playing against Minny's 4th line with Miller, is a hell of a lot easier than playing against Kaprizov with DeMelo. I think you are risking throwing Villie to the wolves and having him play too cautious if he starts getting overwhelmed.

 

[bustamente]

I think he has all the tools to succeed, but can he take the pounding and survive at the NHL level

 

[TS Quint]

Given that it was on a PK shot block the worst thing that could possibly happen to JMo is to get injured on the PK. The Jets would be really tested then. And if he ends up playing more of a defensive role in Sammy's absence, with Pionk and Heinola (perhaps separately) able to pick up some of the offensive slack, I think that's already more wear and tear. And we've seen him get targeted more than once this year. Which is also concerning.

I'd rather see Miller than Morrissey on PK2, play Pionk on his offside.

I wonder who comes off the PP if Heinola gets a look. Probably not Pionk. My guess would be Iafallo.

Dear lord.....Heinola isn't replacing Morrissey anywhere nevermind PP1.

 

[sipowicz]

I think he has all the tools to succeed, but can he take the pounding and survive at the NHL level

He doesn't seem able to survive training camps!

 

[WolfgangPuck]

More likely Fleury moves up to 2nd pairing and plays with Pionk Keep Demelo- Morrisey
Bring in 7th D for the next few games
See what Heinola and Couglan has. Given them both 12 mins since they haven’t played much

 

[Crocket]

The plan was always to play Ville with Miller. It's pretty obvious Fluery would be the 2nd pair until further notice. Ville will need some time, missing training camp and 20 games is very tough.

 

[Jet]

I never liked 44 and 4 pairing. Too risky both mobile and offensive and leaves no big steady anchor to defend. It’s probably going happen anyway.

Except that Morrissey is our best defenseman defensively

The plan was always to play Ville with Miller. It's pretty obvious Fluery would be the 2nd pair until further notice. Ville will need some time, missing training camp and 20 games is very tough.

Lol obvious

 

[TS Quint]

Lol obvious

Pretty obvious. I'd be shocked if Arniel throws his entire lineup into chaos over a guy who has never proven to be even an average 6D, who has been injured for a year, walking into the line up 20 games into the season, in his first game.