OT: Health and Fitness Thread ‎III

[Aeroforce]

On the subject of making good decisions regarding food, I'm a bit conflicted on kids with Fitbits.

Over Christmas, my sister's boyfriend's teenage daughters were in town. Our folks made a big holiday meal, and when we were all finished, my mom excitedly offered cake for dessert.

The girls refused, but the sadness in their voices was palpable. They both were sporting Fitbits, and I know the thought of adding 450-600 calories was the source of their apprehension.

Now I'm all for teaching kids good eating habits. There's a McDonald's next to my office and see morbidly obese kids going in and out on a daily basis.

But teaching constant calorie restriction at such an early age? The one slice of cake wouldn't hurt them, especially when it's an occasional treat and not a daily food item.

 

[BNHL]

On the subject of making good decisions regarding food, I'm a bit conflicted on kids with Fitbits.

Over Christmas, my sister's boyfriend's teenage daughters were in town. Our folks made a big holiday meal, and when we were all finished, my mom excitedly offered cake for dessert.

The girls refused, but the sadness in their voices was palpable. They both were sporting Fitbits, and I know the thought of adding 450-600 calories was the source of their apprehension.

Now I'm all for teaching kids good eating habits. There's a McDonald's next to my office and see morbidly obese kids going in and out on a daily basis.

But teaching constant calorie restriction at such an early age? The one slice of cake wouldn't hurt them, especially when it's an occasional treat and not a daily food item.

I agree. Just keep the crap out of your own house and let them enjoy some treats outside,now and again.

 

[BNHL]

Until it's something else.........20 years from now, they'll say "no, sugars and grains are actually ok in moderation, it's [insert flavor of the month here] that's really bad for you."

Maybe,but I know of 2 cardiology practices where compliant patients of no sugars and grains have had zero cardiac events in 10 years. Conversely,my cardiologist who preaches low fat,whole grains and statins has about 2-4 cardiac events a day. I know of many people proving the points,and am in regular contact.

 

[BNHL]

Until it's something else.........20 years from now, they'll say "no, sugars and grains are actually ok in moderation, it's [insert flavor of the month here] that's really bad for you."

Did you read my experience? My heart disease grew out of control on a low fat,high carb,limited sugar diet. In 4 years I have gone mostly grain free and limited sugar,but eat plenty of meat and my most recent angiogram,shows almost no increase in calcification.

 

[rocketdan9]

Its not always cheap or convinient ...but having a cardio machine with a tv screen or having an exercise machine in the living room helps burn off calories without making exercise seem like a chore

When i workout and watch a Bruins game , time flies and get a good sweat out of it.

 

[Seidenbergy]

Maybe,but I know of 2 cardiology practices where compliant patients of no sugars and grains have had zero cardiac events in 10 years. Conversely,my cardiologist who preaches low fat,whole grains and statins has about 2-4 cardiac events a day. I know of many people proving the points,and am in regular contact.

Did you read my experience? My heart disease grew out of control on a low fat,high carb,limited sugar diet. In 4 years I have gone mostly grain free and limited sugar,but eat plenty of meat and my most recent angiogram,shows almost no increase in calcification.

That's great for you. As far as the 2 practices you reference, great for them too. Although I'm skeptical about anything that only looks at one variable and claims that is the reason for anything. There are dozens of other variables at play in life.

I'm not about to just ignore the last xxx years of hearing "this will kill you.....this is what you SHOULD eat, drink, whatever" that changes every few years. I wish I was exaggerating, but it's all become comical to me. I literally can't think of a single food or drink that has stayed on the good or bad side of doctors/nutritionists/whoever over the last 50 years.

I'd rather POSSIBLY live a few less years if it means I get to eat and drink what I want, when I want to eat and drink them. Living longer but eating and drinking things that have no appeal to me? Pass.

 

[BNHL]

That's great for you. As far as the 2 practices you reference, great for them too. Although I'm skeptical about anything that only looks at one variable and claims that is the reason for anything. There are dozens of other variables at play in life.

I'm not about to just ignore the last xxx years of hearing "this will kill you.....this is what you SHOULD eat, drink, whatever" that changes every few years. I wish I was exaggerating, but it's all become comical to me. I literally can't think of a single food or drink that has stayed on the good or bad side of doctors/nutritionists/whoever over the last 50 years.

I'd rather POSSIBLY live a few less years if it means I get to eat and drink what I want, when I want to eat and drink them. Living longer but eating and drinking things that have no appeal to me? Pass.

No you wouldn't,that's naivete because when your diet kills you it does it slowly and painfully,then you pray for a cure. BTW,noone is looking at one variable when it comes to heart disease,it's multifactorial like Epstein used to say. A genetic effect,low Vit D,bad gut flora,chronic inflammation and stress are probably at the root of heart disease. When cholesterol was blamed in the 50s and statins took over,it was supposed to be a stop gap but trillions of dollars of statins prescribed annually,thousands of bypasses and tens of thousands of stents fund the hospitals and feed the lie. Reminded of Gilead Sciences who found the cure for Hep C a few years ago,now the American well is dried up and they're hoping that the introduction into China will boost their revenue. It's a lesson for all others in healthcare or pharmaceuticals,don't cure,treat. Start with the book,"The Great Cholesterol Myth" by Cardiologist Dr Steven Sinatra. He's on board as is his cowriter. I'm in touch with many doctors and scientists and patients regularly,who are treating others or themselves and the conclusion is the same,we've been suckered.

 

[Seidenbergy]

You just proved my point.

 

[BNHL]

You just proved my point.

You had a point? Is your point that you'll ignore the evolution of all knowledge in health? Go to cureality and talk to researchers,doctors and real people and their stories. If you are in your 50s or 60s,you're playing a fool's game. When we are sick or in bad health we affect others,not just ourselves. I can lead a horse to water....

 

[Seidenbergy]

You had a point? Is your point that you'll ignore the evolution of all knowledge in health? Go to cureality and talk to researchers,doctors and real people and their stories. If you are in your 50s or 60s,you're playing a fool's game. When we are sick or in bad health we affect others,not just ourselves. I can lead a horse to water....

My point was painfully obvious. You even agreed with this to a point when you referenced "The Great Cholesterol Myth". What is deemed good or bad for us is constantly changing, so I'm not going to eat or not eat certain foods just because some group of doctors says it's good for my heart when just as many if not more doctors say the opposite.....if not today, in a few years. And they all have patient success stories. I'm going to eat what I want when I want and it's served me well so far. I'm in my 40s, have played sports my whole life and hit the gym regularly, am without question stronger than I've ever been, 32 inch waist, can run 7 minute miles for distance, etc. I very rarely get sick and am certainly not a drain on our healthcare system.

My point is for me, diet is not the be-all end-all. And, like I said earlier, you actually agree whether you see it or not. You said:

BTW,noone is looking at one variable when it comes to heart disease,it's multifactorial like Epstein used to say. A genetic effect,low Vit D,bad gut flora,chronic inflammation and stress are probably at the root of heart disease. When cholesterol was blamed in the 50s and statins took over,it was supposed to be a stop gap but trillions of dollars of statins prescribed annually,thousands of bypasses and tens of thousands of stents fund the hospitals and feed the lie.

So, of the 5 factors you gave for potential causes of heart disease, only one of them really involves diet. Genetics and stress are what they are, Vitamin D pills and time in the sun solve that one, same for probiotics/gut flora.

I'm gonna enjoy my bacon now.

 

[BNHL]

My point was painfully obvious. You even agreed with this to a point when you referenced "The Great Cholesterol Myth". What is deemed good or bad for us is constantly changing, so I'm not going to eat or not eat certain foods just because some group of doctors says it's good for my heart when just as many if not more doctors say the opposite.....if not today, in a few years. And they all have patient success stories. I'm going to eat what I want when I want and it's served me well so far. I'm in my 40s, have played sports my whole life and hit the gym regularly, am without question stronger than I've ever been, 32 inch waist, can run 7 minute miles for distance, etc. I very rarely get sick and am certainly not a drain on our healthcare system.

My point is for me, diet is not the be-all end-all. And, like I said earlier, you actually agree whether you see it or not. You said:



So, of the 5 factors you gave for potential causes of heart disease, only one of them really involves diet. Genetics and stress are what they are, Vitamin D pills and time in the sun solve that one, same for probiotics/gut flora.

I'm gonna enjoy my bacon now.

Nope. Anything you eat that provokes small dense particles of LDL (LDL also consists of benign large buoyant particles). Anything that promotes inflammation,(sugars,carbs etc.)

 

[BNHL]

The Dangers Of Political Science

Public Health: For decades, the federal government has been telling people to cut fats and boost carbs in their diet, relying on supposedly settled nutrition science. A new study shows that advice has been completely wrong.

In Woody Allen’s 1973 comedy “Sleeper,” his character wakes up 200 years after routine surgery, and two doctors discuss his health status. The conversation goes like this: Dr. Melik: This morning for breakfast he requested something called “wheat germ, organic honey and tiger’s milk.” Dr. Aragon: (chuckling) Oh, yes. Those are the charmed substances that some years ago were thought to contain life-preserving properties. Dr. Melik: You mean there was no deep fat? No steak or cream pies or . . . hot fudge? Dr. Aragon: Those were thought to be unhealthy . . . precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true. Dr. Melik: Incredible. Incredible, indeed, since it turns out that Allen had it right. That’s the conclusion of a massive new study published in Lancet that followed 135,335 people in 18 countries on five continents. The study found that consumption of fat was associated with a lower risk of mortality, while consumption of carbohydrates was associated with a higher risk. It found that the kind of fat didn’t matter when it came to heart disease, and that saturated fat consumption was inversely related to strokes. The researchers say, politely, that “dietary guidelines should be reconsidered in light of these findings.” This research adds to a growing body of evidence that the government’s war on fats has been dangerously misguided, if not deadly. For example, a 2010 study in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, after looking at years of research, concluded that “there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of coronary heart disease.” Other studies have found that whole milk lowers the risk of obesity. Yet the government still warns against saturated fats and tells people to drink skim milk. Meanwhile, the push for a low-fat, high-carb diet has contributed to the U.S.’ explosion in obesity. The U.S. obesity rate stayed relatively flat from 1960 to 1980, the first year of USDA guidelines. But less than a decade later, obesity rates shot up from 15% to 23%. But don’t expect the USDA to “reconsider” its guidelines, much less admit it was wrong, since doing so would undermine the government’s credibility. This is the problem when science becomes politicized. And it’s a prime example of why the public should be wary of any claims that science is “settled” on any issue as complicated as health, nutrition or, say, predicted changes in global climate 100 years from now.

 

[Aeroforce]

For example, a 2010 study in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, after looking at years of research, concluded that “there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of coronary heart disease.” Other studies have found that whole milk lowers the risk of obesity. Yet the government still warns against saturated fats and tells people to drink skim milk.

This really piqued my curiosity so I did some Googling. Sure enough, lots of reports saying that.

I do drink fat free milk with cereal and as part of a homemade protein shake with egg, oatmeal, and banana. I actually like the taste of low-fat milk slightly better, but have stuck with fat free since the calories are less.

An article in Time stated:

Since full-fat dairy products contain more calories, many experts assumed avoiding it would lower diabetes risk. But studies have found that when people reduce how much fat they eat, they tend to replace it with sugar or carbohydrates, both of which can have worse effects on insulin and diabetes risk.

I'm not in any danger of being obese, so I'll likely stick with the fat free milk; but this was interesting to learn.

 

[BNHL]

This really piqued my curiosity so I did some Googling. Sure enough, lots of reports saying that.

I do drink fat free milk with cereal and as part of a homemade protein shake with egg, oatmeal, and banana. I actually like the taste of low-fat milk slightly better, but have stuck with fat free since the calories are less.

An article in Time stated:

Since full-fat dairy products contain more calories, many experts assumed avoiding it would lower diabetes risk. But studies have found that when people reduce how much fat they eat, they tend to replace it with sugar or carbohydrates, both of which can have worse effects on insulin and diabetes risk.

I'm not in any danger of being obese, so I'll likely stick with the fat free milk; but this was interesting to learn.

Even more eye opening is the publication "The Lancet" is the premier medical publication promoted by the AMA,who is long dragging their heels on fats and sugars.

 

[Seidenbergy]

Thanks for doing the leg work to help prove my point about diet.

 

[LouJersey]

Being at the gym at 4:45am doesn't bother me in the least, but I am so sick and tired of this f***ing cold. I can't wait until spring

 

[Mainehockey33]

To bring back the diet topic, I’ve been thinking about trying a keto diet for awhile now but haven’t fully committed. I think I’m ready to give up bread and beer for a bit to see how I look and feel on a low carb diet. Is it as easy as eating bacon and eggs for every meal or do I have to suck it up and start eating avocados? Seems like a pain to always calculate macros so any resources that give me a good idea of a daily diet would be cool.

 

[BNHL]

To bring back the diet topic, I’ve been thinking about trying a keto diet for awhile now but haven’t fully committed. I think I’m ready to give up bread and beer for a bit to see how I look and feel on a low carb diet. Is it as easy as eating bacon and eggs for every meal or do I have to suck it up and start eating avocados? Seems like a pain to always calculate macros so any resources that give me a good idea of a daily diet would be cool.

Just give up all grains and sugars and live happily ever after. Don't calculate anything. No bread,no rice,no pasta is a great place to start. Welcome - Wheatbelly

 

[Seidenbergy]

Just give up all grains and sugars and live happily ever after.

That's the opposite of living happily ever after.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Just give up all grains and sugars and live happily ever after. Don't calculate anything. No bread,no rice,no pasta is a great place to start. Welcome - Wheatbelly

Why can't someone create a food that tastes like greasy awesome deliciousness and is actually healthy for you like vegetables....

 

[JCRO]

Its not always cheap or convinient ...but having a cardio machine with a tv screen or having an exercise machine in the living room helps burn off calories without making exercise seem like a chore

When i workout and watch a Bruins game , time flies and get a good sweat out of it.

I am in the process of creating this setup in my basement for this exact purpose.

Games are usually 2 1/2 hours long with intermissions and such. I want to be doing something during that time

 

[rocketdan9]

I am in the process of creating this setup in my basement for this exact purpose.

Games are usually 2 1/2 hours long with intermissions and such. I want to be doing something during that time

Great idea. Recently I have been using the treadmill - brisk walks between 3-3.5 mph and 0.5 incline during periods and lifting weights during intermissions.

Anyways goodluck with setup/workout

 

[Kate08]

I am in the process of creating this setup in my basement for this exact purpose.

Games are usually 2 1/2 hours long with intermissions and such. I want to be doing something during that time

When I was marathon training I was lucky that the only long runs I had scheduled that were snowed out coincided with a game. So I went to the gym at game time and knocked them out on the treadmill.

It still was miserable (12 and 16 miles on the treadmill? Woof) but better than if there wasn’t a game.

 

[BNHL]

Why can't someone create a food that tastes like greasy awesome deliciousness and is actually healthy for you like vegetables....

The AMA is finally beginning to admit that "greasy awesomeness" is fine as long as it's low carb.

 

[BNHL]

When I was marathon training I was lucky that the only long runs I had scheduled that were snowed out coincided with a game. So I went to the gym at game time and knocked them out on the treadmill.

It still was miserable (12 and 16 miles on the treadmill? Woof) but better than if there wasn’t a game.

Ever heard of Zwift or Strava?