Confirmed with Link: Head Coach Vacancy Pt IV — Rangers get permission to speak to Ruff

[PlamsUnlimited]

I wished more people realized this.

I don't think people want to abandon D completely. They just don;t want to see the same joke of a play. Collapsing D and dump/chase off the boards most of the time because the neutral zone work was terrible. People are upset with the fact that the PP sucks big ones and shouldn't. Collapsing in front of hank like a bunch of giraffes with broken legs is what it looked like. No Method at all. just dive in front of a shot in front of the best goalie in the world. Lots were deflected in like that. Rangers need a coach who can clean their play up and stop being so ****ing sloppy.

 

[Kershaw]

I wished more people realized this.

Agreed once again! Great post by BRB.

 

[Kershaw]

Is Ralph Kreuger a possible option for headcoach of the Rangers? More so, does anyone know his style? This was his only season in the NHL and his previous coaching experience was over in Switzerland. So I was looking for more information on him.

lol.

Krueger would be roasted over the coils outside of MSG. If people thought Torts was bad with his boring defensive system, just wait til you get Krueger to coach this team. He preaches defense first and only hockey with the Swiss all those years, now they've turned a corner with him away from the coaching staff. The Swiss are turning the corner and could be a top 5 hockey nation in the near future with their display of puck possession hockey in the WCs.

 

[Maineice11]

lol.

Krueger would be roasted over the coils outside of MSG. If people thought Torts was bad with his boring defensive system, just wait til you get Krueger to coach this team. He preaches defense first and only hockey with the Swiss all those years, now they've turned a corner with him away from the coaching staff. The Swiss are turning the corner and could be a top 5 hockey nation in the near future with their display of puck possession hockey in the WCs.

excellent, all I needed to know to say not interested!

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

lol.

Krueger would be roasted over the coils outside of MSG. If people thought Torts was bad with his boring defensive system, just wait til you get Krueger to coach this team. He preaches defense first and only hockey with the Swiss all those years, now they've turned a corner with him away from the coaching staff. The Swiss are turning the corner and could be a top 5 hockey nation in the near future with their display of puck possession hockey in the WCs.

For one I don't care if it;'s a boring style I want to win. My problem is that the way they played in their own zone pretty much hindered them from doing anything else. ( See blocked shots like dying giraffes reference). They had no real plan elsewhere.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Agreed once again! Great post by BRB.

Justin Bieber?

 

[Kershaw]

For one I don't care if it;'s a boring style I want to win. My problem is that the way they played in their own zone pretty much hindered them from doing anything else. ( See blocked shots like dying giraffes reference). They had no real plan elsewhere.

They played that style because it suited their player traits. Ryan Callahan, Dan Girardi and Brian Boyle are amongst the league's best in shot-blocking. Makes sense that the rest of the team will follow suit after their leaders' playing styles. The Rangers used board play, similar to the Boston Bruins do with their wingers. The difference is that the Bruins probably have the most best winger depth in the league, while the Rangers are average.

Teaching the Rangers to play Detroit Red Wing puck possession hockey is like telling Barry Zito to become an all out strike-out pitcher right now. Square peg in round hole. They simply aren't good enough.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

They essentially got rid of a lot of shot blockers though. They brought in more skill guys you can argue in Brass and stuff. Cally, Boyle, and McD/Girardi are really the only ones that will night in and night out block shots. I just think now they need a guy to clean up play and to at least have some sort of plan in the other zones.

 

[GAGLine]

Funny. These guys must be lying to you before they become coach of the Rangers.

....or, just maybe, after gauging the personnel vs. the top teams in the league, the last 2 coaches decided to coach a more defense oriented system.

A new coach mandated to open things up combined with no major depth moves is a recipe for disaster next season. Be careful what you wish for.

Hank is one of the best goalies in the world. Our defensive core, when healthy, is one of the better groups in the league. So why would we need to play a defense-heavy system?

 

[Kershaw]

They essentially got rid of a lot of shot blockers though. They brought in more skill guys you can argue in Brass and stuff. Cally, Boyle, and McD/Girardi are really the only ones that will night in and night out block shots. I just think now they need a guy to clean up play and to at least have some sort of plan in the other zones.

Did they though?

Callahan, Girardi, Boyle, McDonagh still remain on the team. That's a good chunk of the core right there.

 

[Kershaw]

Hank is one of the best goalies in the world. Our defensive core, when healthy, is one of the better groups in the league. So why would we need to play a defense-heavy system?

Because it makes sense for a coach to play to his players' strengths rather than weaknesses?

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

Not every line or every players needs to be the same.

The 2010-11 and 2011-12 Rangers were largely shot blocking grinders, but back in the Jagr years, his lines played puck possession other lines like a Ruccin or Drury line grinded.

Good coaches make both work and players adjust.

The prospects coming up with the Rangers like the Fasts, St. Croixs, Nieves', and even Kreider play a more speed and puck possession game. Miller and Lindberg while both have grinder attributes, can play this game as well.

The new coach must work to their strengths.

 

[bobbop]

Very interesting thanks for sharing.

What is your take on this Bop, put yourself in Tips shoes, what would you do at this point in your coaching career weighing both the Yotes and NYR's situations ?

It's more than the respective situations...it's a lifestyle decision.

If you saw the conditions the Coyotes operate under, you would understand why everyone here wants an owner and wants stability. The Coyotes video room is a table in the corner of the Ice Den coffee shop (where the team practices) where Tippett shows up every morning with a refillable coffee cup. Good value. Without question, the most spartan circumstances of any NHL team.

That said, Tip loves Phoenix. He's made a career out of scrapping by both as a player and as a coach. He is as popular a coach as I have ever seen in the NHL. If there is any way possible for this to work, I think he wants to be part of it. I know he postponed building the house for a while and then finally decided to get on with it. If there's a team here, he has a job for as long as he wants one.

My guess is that if Phoenix plays here next year, he will be here. He may sign a one year contract if there is not long term certainty. But I also think there will be a lot of clarity on the Phoenix situation by the end of the month. The NHL wants the new owners to succeed. Gosbee, in particular, has a lot of money. By their actions, I think the NHL is pretty clear that they aren't excited about going back to Quebec. The other options are much more problematic.

Understand this...waiting for Tippett doesn't mean you are going to sign him. There are other teams interested, most notably Vancouver. Two years ago, it was thought he might leave for Minnesota (where he has a summer home) and their coach is on the hotseat. If Dallas drags their feet, that means they are interested too.

NY? Tippett would be going from a place with no pressure, spartan circumstances and low expectations to the exact opposite. I am sure the competitor in him would love that but whether he would love it? I don't know. While NY is certainly appealing, especially to all of us, it may be less so to him.

It's nice to be in demand. He'll have his pick of teams if he decides to leave Phoenix.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

Different lines have diff skills. I think at least one line can work a possession/offense related style though. I know they can... they have pieces.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Different lines have diff skills. I think at least one line can work a possession/offense related style though. I know they can... they have pieces.

2 for finesse. 2 for energy/checking. That's how it should be.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

It's more than the respective situations...it's a lifestyle decision.

If you saw the conditions the Coyotes operate under, you would understand why everyone here wants an owner and wants stability. The Coyotes video room is a table in the corner of the Ice Den coffee shop (where the team practices) where Tippett shows up every morning with a refillable coffee cup. Good value. Without question, the most spartan circumstances of any NHL team.

That said, Tip loves Phoenix. He's made a career out of scrapping by both as a player and as a coach. He is as popular a coach as I have ever seen in the NHL. If there is any way possible for this to work, I think he wants to be part of it. I know he postponed building the house for a while and then finally decided to get on with it. If there's a team here, he has a job for as long as he wants one.

My guess is that if Phoenix plays here next year, he will be here. He may sign a one year contract if there is not long term certainty. But I also think there will be a lot of clarity on the Phoenix situation by the end of the month. The NHL wants the new owners to succeed. Gosbee, in particular, has a lot of money. By their actions, I think the NHL is pretty clear that they aren't excited about going back to Quebec. The other options are much more problematic.

Understand this...waiting for Tippett doesn't mean you are going to sign him. There are other teams interested, most notably Vancouver. Two years ago, it was thought he might leave for Minnesota (where he has a summer home) and their coach is on the hotseat. If Dallas drags their feet, that means they are interested too.

NY? Tippett would be going from a place with no pressure, spartan circumstances and low expectations to the exact opposite. I am sure the competitor in him would love that but whether he would love it? I don't know. While NY is certainly appealing, especially to all of us, it may be less so to him.

It's nice to be in demand. He'll have his pick of teams if he decides to leave Phoenix.

Insightful post. Thanks!

 

[Barney Gumble]

3) He'd have won a cup had he had Henrik on his team 2 years ago.

Henrik scores goals as well?

Luongo stunk in parts of the Finals - no question - but in the four games the Canucks lost, they scored just three goals *COMBINED*. In the three games they did manage to win - Luongo had two shutouts (where the team managed to score just three goals *COMBINED*).

 

[stan the caddy]

Not every line or every players needs to be the same.

The 2010-11 and 2011-12 Rangers were largely shot blocking grinders, but back in the Jagr years, his lines played puck possession other lines like a Ruccin or Drury line grinded.

Good coaches make both work and players adjust.

The prospects coming up with the Rangers like the Fasts, St. Croixs, Nieves', and even Kreider play a more speed and puck possession game. Miller and Lindberg while both have grinder attributes, can play this game as well.

The new coach must work to their strengths.

That was when the Rangers had a first line full of slick passers. Then Sather parted ways with Nylander and Jagr wanted no part of Gomez or Drury. He ended up playing with Dubinsky.

If you want the team to play a certain way you need to have the players to do it. Right now the Rangers aren't a "fancy" hockey team. The dump it in and grind it out style is the way the team was built.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Henrik scores goals as well?

He doesn't let up an average of 5 goals a game over a 4 game span.

 

[Barney Gumble]

He doesn't let up an average of 5 goals a game over a 4 game span.

see the added part of my post in response to that (edited after I posted). You never point fingers at the goalie as the goat when your team gets shutout. Never.

Rangers scored ten goals in five games in their series against the Bruins and lost. Canucks scored 6 goals in 7 games in their series against the Bruins and lost.

Anyhow..sorry about taking this thread offtopic.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

see the added part of my post in response to that (edited after I posted). You never point fingers at the goalie as the goat when your team gets shutout. Never.

Rangers scored ten goals in five games in their series against the Bruins and lost. Canucks scored 6 goals in 7 games in their series against the Bruins and lost.

Anyhow..sorry about taking this thread offtopic.

I would feel like someone as pivotal as a goalie needs to show consistency in big time situations. Can't let up 4 goals in games 6 and 7 and expect your team to win, especially when it's struggling offensively. His team let him down but he also let them down. It was reciprocal.

 

[TheTakedown]

see the added part of my post in response to that (edited after I posted). You never point fingers at the goalie as the goat when your team gets shutout. Never.

Rangers scored ten goals in five games in their series against the Bruins and lost. Canucks scored 6 goals in 7 games in their series against the Bruins and lost.

Anyhow..sorry about taking this thread offtopic.

Hasn't it been established that the teams offensive core chokes in the playoffs because of faulty coaching of the teams two biggest stars? Recall that AV lets players do their thing.. You think he's going to mess with the mojo of the Sedin Pansies? If he pisses off one, he pisses off the other... The brothers probably talk more than they do to AV...

That really has to have something to do with it... Who else is running the offensive showboat over there? If it's ONLY the sedins, no wonder they flop in the playoffs..

I would feel like someone as pivotal as a goalie needs to show consistency in big time situations. Can't let up 4 goals in games 6 and 7 and expect your team to win, especially when it's struggling offensively. His team let him down but he also let them down. It was reciprocal.

Luongo is only part of the problem... His inconsistency is mostly to blame, but the Canucks were barely able to score in that series, and that is where the Rangers would have been if we made it to the finals in 2012

 

[polako]

That was when the Rangers had a first line full of slick passers. Then Sather parted ways with Nylander and Jagr wanted no part of Gomez or Drury. He ended up playing with Dubinsky.

If you want the team to play a certain way you need to have the players to do it. Right now the Rangers aren't a "fancy" hockey team. The dump it in and grind it out style is the way the team was built.

This year's Ranger team had a line of Nash, Gaborik, and Richards.

 

[LittleKev6D9]

That sucks. I was leaning towards Eakins to be the new NYR coach. Oh well. As long as it's not Messier or Gretzky.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

One of the main reasons I'm split on Vigneault is because it's impossible to tell whether it's his fault the Sedins failed to deliver, or if it's their own fault. We reamed Tortorella for failing to get the best out of his best players (Nash, Richards, Callahan, Gaborik, Del Zotto), but perhaps AV can be faulted for the Sedins not playing as well as they can? Or, they're just not built for the playoffs.

We'll see. That's really the only thing that concerns me when it comes to AV. Otherwise, he's my #1 choice with Eakins gone.