Speculation: Head Coach Hunt 2021

[Mosby]

his podcast

 

[MIGs Dog]

New voice...old voice...don't care...JUST WIN BABY.

 

[Jakey53]

New voice...old voice...don't care...JUST WIN BABY.

The way it sounds BA wants to add to the core not break it all down, which I like. He was saying the Coyotes have more depth than he thought when he first came here. He mentioned Bunting, Soderstrom and I believe Prosvetov. Did not mention Hayton.

 

[rt]

where was this?

Natty Hatty.

 

[Mosby]

Did not mention Hayton.

Good catch.

I'm not confident we haven't screwed up Hayton. He's a good player but it might be better to just start fresh.

 

[AZviaNJ]

Good catch.

I'm not confident we haven't screwed up Hayton. He's a good player but it might be better to just start fresh.

In fairness I’ve seen nothing from Hayton to indicate he has top 6 potential.

 

[Jagged Ice]

The way it sounds BA wants to add to the core not break it all down, which I like. He was saying the Coyotes have more depth than he thought when he first came here. He mentioned Bunting, Soderstrom and I believe Prosvetov. Did not mention Hayton.

I think with Hayton he already explained that he should have stayed with Sault Ste. Marie. The previous administration screwed up by trying to rush him and that delayed his development. I would agree. Draft well and leave these guys until they are ready for the next phase. Juniors/NCAA - AHL - NHL. Remember when these boards were saying he had nothing else to learn in juniors? Well here we are two years later and he struggles in Tucson. I'd put money on Hayton staying in Tucson until he dominates the AHL. I don't think it screwed him up as much as it just delayed his development.

 

[Vinny Boombatz]

I think with Hayton he already explained that he should have stayed with Sault Ste. Marie. The previous administration screwed up by trying to rush him and that delayed his development. I would agree. Draft well and leave these guys until they are ready for the next phase. Juniors/NCAA - AHL - NHL. Remember when these boards were saying he had nothing else to learn in juniors? Well here we are two years later and he struggles in Tucson. I'd put money on Hayton staying in Tucson until he dominates the AHL. I don't think it screwed him up as much as it just delayed his development.

Only thing holding Hayton back is his speed/quickness, he's slow & slow. He's almost as slow as Strome honestly, which is saying something. I'd have this kid running sprints until the cows come home.

 

[Jakey53]

Good catch.

I'm not confident we haven't screwed up Hayton. He's a good player but it might be better to just start fresh.

The way it sounds BA likes prospects cooking in the AHL, which I agree with, except high end prospects who should be able to make the club the first or second year. I believe BA had Hayton in the twenties on his draft board so we might see Hayton traded, or maybe cook a long time in the AHL. Not sure if BA sees Hayton as a keeper.

 

[Jakey53]

Only thing holding Hayton back is his speed/quickness, he's slow & slow. He's almost as slow as Strome honestly, which is saying something. I'd have this kid running sprints until the cows come home.

Running sprints isn't going to make him faster as they are already in shape. It's their skating style that might be improved on and different on and off ice training.

 

[Mosby]

I think it's more processing speed that is an issue for Hayton as opposed to foot speed.

Hopefully he can work on that next season in Rochester

 

[The Feckless Puck]

He also confirmed none of Gallant, Torts, BB, or Julien will be considered.

Gallant was the only one of that group I was interested in, and then only slightly, because the last thing this team needs is another Tippett-style confrontation between the HC and the front office.

 

[rt]

I think it's more processing speed that is an issue for Hayton as opposed to foot speed.

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[rt]

I think with Hayton he already explained that he should have stayed with Sault Ste. Marie. The previous administration screwed up by trying to rush him and that delayed his development. I would agree. Draft well and leave these guys until they are ready for the next phase. Juniors/NCAA - AHL - NHL. Remember when these boards were saying he had nothing else to learn in juniors? Well here we are two years later and he struggles in Tucson. I'd put money on Hayton staying in Tucson until he dominates the AHL. I don't think it screwed him up as much as it just delayed his development.

I have been furious the entire time that he wasn’t sent back.

 

[rt]

In fairness I’ve seen nothing from Hayton to indicate he has top 6 potential.

WJCs showed a helluva lot of potential.

 

[Grimes]

I think it's more processing speed that is an issue for Hayton as opposed to foot speed.

Hopefully he can work on that next season in Rochester

This is a tricky one to me when I think of an Eichel package. I think Schmaltz is part of it for sure. I then think it's either Keller or Hayton as another center piece. Moving Hayton feel like it really kills our prospect pool. Moving Keller really kills our top 6...

 

[Mosby]

WJCs showed a helluva lot of potential.

With one working shoulder no less.

 

[Bonsai Tree]

I was shocked when we signed Hall. I would like to be shocked again. I give Buffalo fair value and not try to short change them.

 

[Jagged Ice]

I was shocked when we signed Hall. I would like to be shocked again.

I was too and I don't want to be shocked again. Right or wrong I go with my gut, always. I didn't want to give up a first to rent Hall, and then we threw in Bahl and a third. I wanted to vomit at just the thought of Duchene and as good as Eichel is I'm not a fan of selling more draft picks and assets including Soderstrom or Chychrun for a herniated disc with attitude problems. This has the potential to be the Duchene situation in Ottawa times ten. I'd rather do an internal rebuild and trust BA will do it right for once. He seems like a smart, already experienced GM to me and I don't think he's going to pull the trigger on Eichel.

 

[cobra427]

Running sprints isn't going to make him faster as they are already in shape. It's their skating style that might be improved on and different on and off ice training.

I think its fast twitch muscle fiber, you have it or you don't. He is just slow, almost like Strome but he is a much more complete player. I hope he becomes at least a 3C for us at this point. His development is taking too long for him to be a 1C, too slow for that.

 

[tucknroll]

Really think there's a bunch of people reading way to much into Hayton's development. A player doesnt often just lose their potential unless they don't work hard behind the scenes. If you disagree look at players like Bennett, Turris, Seguin who all had the same things said about them and their development then got utilized differently on another team. Or even just sometimes it takes time and coaching changes... Look at mac and Rantanen in Colorado who had to listen to those same things and even trade rumours till they broke out.
Say what you want about how much Hayton played last year but the fact is those 13min in 82 games are minor to his development compared to the hours he spent training on and off the ice every week with actual professional hockey players instead of junior players... He hasn't lost the potential/skill he had before.. at most he might need a coach who will play him to his strengths, some time to grow and maybe some confidence. Still think he likely becomes a good-solid 2nd line center who is a good post season player... Best case scenario is likely Horvat.. worst case (hopefully) Bonino, but more likely somewhere in between.

 

[GhostofYotesFan47]

I was too and I don't want to be shocked again. Right or wrong I go with my gut, always. I didn't want to give up a first to rent Hall, and then we threw in Bahl and a third. I wanted to vomit at just the thought of Duchene and as good as Eichel is I'm not a fan of selling more draft picks and assets including Soderstrom or Chychrun for a herniated disc with attitude problems. This has the potential to be the Duchene situation in Ottawa times ten. I'd rather do an internal rebuild and trust BA will do it right for once. He seems like a smart, already experienced GM to me and I don't think he's going to pull the trigger on Eichel.

I think the only thing stopping BA from pulling the trigger on Eichel is the medical stuff and Buffalo. If Eichel were healthy and Buffalo were in the mindset of doing a refresh on some assets, Bill would be in on it. There are only 3 top line centers that are rumored to potentially be available, Eichel, Hertl and Zibanejad. I don't see NY giving up Zibs without upgrading him or getting younger, Hertl is likely for futures when the Sharks finally decide to rebuild, and then there is the most likely candidate (surprisingly), Eichel.

Our options today are to either try and get Eichel or keep trying to draft a #1. We've been super successful at that so I expect we will continue to be flush with high end center prospects like we have the last 25 years.

 

[PuckLife]

Hayton has never (at least since he started for the Greyhounds at 16) been slow at processing, or had noticeably slow feet. I think the last 2 years has messed with his confidence - that would explain why he looked slow at times this year. Armstrong not mentioning him means one of two things - they are trying to relieve some pressure on him, or they are considering moving him. Either way, I hope he reaches his full potential. I've said before, he is one of the most well-rounded Greyhounds ever.

 

[BUX7PHX]

I think it's more processing speed that is an issue for Hayton as opposed to foot speed.

Hopefully he can work on that next season in Rochester

I didn't see major issues with skating that would hold him back. Just a few times where he was a split second late with decisions or rushing things.

Once the tempo of the game is understood, we will see what role he locks into. May take time, but I think he can produce more than Strome, fwiw.

 

[PuckLife]

Really think there's a bunch of people reading way to much into Hayton's development. A player doesnt often just lose their potential unless they don't work hard behind the scenes. If you disagree look at players like Bennett, Turris, Seguin who all had the same things said about them and their development then got utilized differently on another team. Or even just sometimes it takes time and coaching changes... Look at mac and Rantanen in Colorado who had to listen to those same things and even trade rumours till they broke out.
Say what you want about how much Hayton played last year but the fact is those 13min in 82 games are minor to his development compared to the hours he spent training on and off the ice every week with actual professional hockey players instead of junior players... He hasn't lost the potential/skill he had before.. at most he might need a coach who will play him to his strengths, some time to grow and maybe some confidence. Still think he likely becomes a good-solid 2nd line center who is a good post season player... Best case scenario is likely Horvat.. worst case (hopefully) Bonino, but more likely somewhere in between.

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