Speculation: Head Coach Hunt 2021

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PainForShane

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I just....

Why have we not hired Boudreau. A good head coach costs $4-5m annually. Keller is just over $7m next year.

Can we trade Keller for a world class head coach and also Jani Hakanpaa? if only it worked that way
 

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An up-and-coming coach will get you 90% of what Boudreau brings for 1/4 of the price while at the same time being more malleable and open to front office suggestions. It's just a better fit overall for a young team that might find itself blown up by the trade deadline if they don't show any improvement.
 

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An up-and-coming coach will get you 90% of what Boudreau brings for 1/4 of the price while at the same time being more malleable and open to front office suggestions. It's just a better fit overall for a young team that might find itself blown up by the trade deadline if they don't show any improvement.

And the extra 10% means you win a playoff round or two more than you should've (see NYI under Barry Trotz). Additional revenue / profit more than makes up for the cost
 

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Groulx has his fingerprints all over the Lightning’s Cup team. He played a key role in the development of Anthony Cirelli, Gourde, Cernak, Mathieu Joseph, Colton, Mitchell Stephens, among others. All of the players I’ve spoken to swear by Groulx, praising his hockey IQ, how demanding he is and how he gets the best out of players.

When Gourde joined Groulx in Syracuse, he had bounced around from the AHL and ECHL in two different organizations. He started as a fourth-line winger with the Crunch, but Groulx decided to give him more freedom by moving him to the middle.

“He gave me confidence to play center,” Gourde said. “I wasn’t much of a center before and he trusted me. It brought my game to the next level. I needed that. I was able to utilize my speed that way, kind of gave me a push. He’s the coach that gets the best out of you every single night. He’s looking for the best version of you every single night.”

Before Cirelli started garnering Selke Trophy attention, he got his first pro experience with Groulx.

“He really helped me get to the position I am today,” Cirelli said. “He just pushed you and pushed you to be a complete player. He wants you to be your best.”

Colton, who has been a revelation for the Lightning this year, had trouble finishing a 25-second shift his first year as a pro due to his stamina. His skating also wasn’t adequate. It was eye-opening, but Groulx got Colton through it.

“As a coach and a person, he gets the most out of you,” Colton said. “The last two years pro, he made me into a different player that I didn’t know I could be. He forced me to play a different way.”
Lightning notes: Tampa's five keys to a Game 2 semifinal win, Ben Groulx talks with Coyotes

BriseBois has said for years that Groulx would make a great NHL coach — “he’s literally a hockey genius” — “He has one of the best hockey minds I have come across,” said Lightning GM Julien BriseBois. “He is demanding and holds players accountable. He has done a lot of winning at every level he has coached at and gets the most out of his players.”
 

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Outside of cost, I don't think Boudreau Hockey aligns with how Armstrong wants to build the team.
 
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An up-and-coming coach will get you 90% of what Boudreau brings for 1/4 of the price while at the same time being more malleable and open to front office suggestions. It's just a better fit overall for a young team that might find itself blown up by the trade deadline if they don't show any improvement.
If this was the case every team would hire a inexpensive coach. For me the best fit is the best coach that gives you a chance to win, and that is what the NYR did, who has a younger team than the Coyotes. Hiring a unknown, like BA wants, has the least chance for success. It could work but if I was a betting man I would say the odds are not good.
 

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An up-and-coming coach will get you 90% of what Boudreau brings for 1/4 of the price while at the same time being more malleable and open to front office suggestions. It's just a better fit overall for a young team that might find itself blown up by the trade deadline if they don't show any improvement.
In my experiences running multiple business's, you are almost always better off paying more for an experienced manager versus a less experienced cheaper hire. You wind up going through multiple hires before you find the right person. The more experienced manager gets paid more because your chances of success are much greater, and you do it with one hire. We spent 4 years treading water with RT, he got less with more, we don't want that again.

Hiring an NHL head coach is no different. BA might pick the right young guy that costs less, it just has way more risk than hiring a proven NHL head coach.
 
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In my experiences running multiple business's, you are almost always better off paying more for an experienced manager versus a less experienced cheaper hire. You wind up going through multiple hires before you find the right person. The more experienced manager gets paid more because your chances of success are much greater, and you do it with one hire. We spent 4 years treading water with RT, he got more with less, we don't want that again.

Hiring an NHL head coach is no different. BA might pick the right young guy that costs less, it just has way more risk than hiring a proven NHL head coach.
I think you meant to say RT got less with more.:) I have found that it makes it so much easier to hire the best person for a particular job. You pay more, but you have that feeling of relief of not having to worry as much. Of course being a Coyote fan I hope that BA kills it and the new coach kills it and we won't have to worry that we will be in this position four year from now.
 

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I think you meant to say RT got less with more.:) I have found that it makes it so much easier to hire the best person for a particular job. You pay more, but you have that feeling of relief of not having to worry as much. Of course being a Coyote fan I hope that BA kills it and the new coach kills it and we won't have to worry that we will be in this position four year from now.
Thanks, yes have it backwards, fixed it:) I agree, and in my experience, I would find the right person for the job first, then pay market rates. I wouldn't look at who is the cheapest that might work out ok. BA is smart, I hope it all works out for us!
 

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Friedman:

5. Arizona interviewed St. Louis’s Mike Van Ryn on Monday, he’s a legit contender there. Heard the Coyotes were impressed with Dallas assistant Todd Nelson. Still unavailable: Islanders’ associate coach Lane Lambert. No one is going to risk Lou Lamoriello’s wrath by asking to speak to Lambert while New York is still playing.
 
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Friedman:

5. Arizona interviewed St. Louis’s Mike Van Ryn on Monday, he’s a legit contender there. Heard the Coyotes were impressed with Dallas assistant Todd Nelson. Still unavailable: Islanders’ associate coach Lane Lambert. No one is going to risk Lou Lamoriello’s wrath by asking to speak to Lambert while New York is still playing.
Glad they were impressed with Nelson. Given that Rocky isn’t on the list (schucks), I’m really pulling for Nelson.
 

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Friedman:

5. Arizona interviewed St. Louis’s Mike Van Ryn on Monday, he’s a legit contender there. Heard the Coyotes were impressed with Dallas assistant Todd Nelson. Still unavailable: Islanders’ associate coach Lane Lambert. No one is going to risk Lou Lamoriello’s wrath by asking to speak to Lambert while New York is still playing.

Glad they were impressed with Nelson. Given that Rocky isn’t on the list (schucks), I’m really pulling for Nelson.

I just realllllllly hope that we don’t hold off on making our decision because of Lambert and risk losing one of these guys to another club because of it. If you like either of your existing candidates enough, you need to pull the trigger.
 
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I just realllllllly hope that we don’t hold off on making our decision because of Lambert and risk losing one of these guys to another club because of it. If you like either of your existing candidates enough, you need to pull the trigger.
Who else is going to hire them? Seattle won't, and Buffalo has their man.
 

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I like Nelson better than Lambert anyway. Lol.
I don't follow these guys like you do, but the reason I like Lambert is because of his connection and longevity with Trotz, who is one of the best coaches in the NHL. A Barry Trotz mini me?
 

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I like Nelson better than Lambert anyway. Lol.
Agreed, yet I don’t know why. Skepticism or gut feeling, I can’t tell. He may be great.
Who else is going to hire them? Seattle won't, and Buffalo has their man.
I could definitely see Buffalo exploring past Granato, Colorado may look to replace Bednar.
I don't follow these guys like you do, but the reason I like Lambert is because of his connection and longevity with Trotz, who is one of the best coaches in the NHL. A Barry Trotz mini me?
This is what I would like to think, but he could just be a byproduct of a Hall of Fame coach.
 

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If a team has character issues (underachieving limited effort etc) is it the coach to blame or the assistants? Nelson still scares the crap out of me.
 

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Agreed, yet I don’t know why. Skepticism or gut feeling, I can’t tell. He may be great.

I could definitely see Buffalo exploring past Granato, Colorado may look to replace Bednar.

This is what I would like to think, but he could just be a byproduct of a Hall of Fame coach.
Lambert hasn’t been a head coach in a decade. Nelson’s head coaching record is really good. Nelson has done so much winning as a head coach.
 
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