Speculation: Head Coach Hunt 2021

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Mosby

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I think we'll start to see some movement once Carolina gets Brind'Amour finalized... then maybe a bit of a domino effect of Tocchet to Seattle and Gallant to NYR.
 

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If Tocchet were to get the Seattle job, he'd have greater insight into who to take in the expansion draft. I'm sure that's the level of personnel decisions he was seeking.

I wonder if that's one of the sneaky interview questions to gather info with no intention of hiring him. "If you were to become our head coach, which players would you target..."
 

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I wonder if that's one of the sneaky interview questions to gather info with no intention of hiring him. "If you were to become our head coach, which players would you target..."
You get insight from him about the entire division too. At the very least giving interviews to a lot of candidates can give you perspectives on things you never knew you wanted to know even if the candidate has no chance.
 

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I don’t think I’d be picking the meathead’s brain for anything. Even TGO had excellent game analysis.... never saw that from RT.
 

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If I can trade the off-ice entertainment of a young whippersnapper GM for the on-ice entertainment of a team that wins hockey games, I make that trade every time.

I think the coaching staff is a big part of the reason why we could not win games, though.

The young whippersnapper actually sold high on Strome (he of 17 points in 40 games) for Schmaltz and orchestrated a trade for the best player, skill and talent-wise to take the ice for us in at least 6 years in Hall. When you actually make moves that increase outlook, the wins and quality of play should increase.
 

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My biggest takeaway is that I thought Tocchet seemed like the type of coach who could do well as a motivator, when initially hired. Most people who are good in one-on-one conversation usually are able to be very good motivators at finding the way to improve games, and charting that path for players. However, he was not that.

Now, if we add another "master motivator" who falls flat, do we have a scenario where we see another few years of being okay as a team, but never breaking through? I actually want someone who has a psychology background, or something that allows the coach to push buttons of players in the right way. Maybe Tocchet could find the buttons to try and push, but never had the right way to push that button and allow the player to experience greater growth.
 

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My biggest takeaway is that I thought Tocchet seemed like the type of coach who could do well as a motivator, when initially hired. Most people who are good in one-on-one conversation usually are able to be very good motivators at finding the way to improve games, and charting that path for players. However, he was not that.

Now, if we add another "master motivator" who falls flat, do we have a scenario where we see another few years of being okay as a team, but never breaking through? I actually want someone who has a psychology background, or something that allows the coach to push buttons of players in the right way. Maybe Tocchet could find the buttons to try and push, but never had the right way to push that button and allow the player to experience greater growth.
Part of Tocchet's takeaway was that he was going to read up more on the psychology of team sports, so at a cursory glance, that's what he seems to think is a primary area for him to improve on before his next position. A lot of criticism here is on his tactical acumen and ability to adapt that as both the season and individual games go by. One possibility is that he's actually just fine as a motivator, but it's all for naught if you have put the team and players in unwinnable situations. No amount of personal cheer-leading is going to overcome the dismay you have when you've repeatedly been countered by the other side. I think some of this might be where the criticism about a lack of talent on the team came from as well. A talented player can make the minute adjustments necessary on the fly against the opponent, and in which case, maybe now that motivation really helps to keep you going when it's not working as well one day. Furthermore, I think Tocchet was known to work well on an individual level with how a player should play very specific situations, and again, if the talent level is lower, that just might not matter as much. Then if it's not working out so well, a new tactic would be called for, but if that's not coming, you can see how player morale remains dejected, and the conclusion becomes, there must be a better way to get into these guys' minds how they need to play.

Essentially, I think it's possible that shoring up other areas would serve him better, because they are holding him back from getting to fully utilize his strengths. I just want whoever we next hire to be able to make more adjustments to teamplay and tactics than we have seen recently. I think the motivation stuff is easier to come by when you are able to play on an even tactical level with your opponents anyway.
 

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Part of Tocchet's takeaway was that he was going to read up more on the psychology of team sports, so at a cursory glance, that's what he seems to think is a primary area for him to improve on before his next position. A lot of criticism here is on his tactical acumen and ability to adapt that as both the season and individual games go by. One possibility is that he's actually just fine as a motivator, but it's all for naught if you have put the team and players in unwinnable situations. No amount of personal cheer-leading is going to overcome the dismay you have when you've repeatedly been countered by the other side. I think some of this might be where the criticism about a lack of talent on the team came from as well. A talented player can make the minute adjustments necessary on the fly against the opponent, and in which case, maybe now that motivation really helps to keep you going when it's not working as well one day. Furthermore, I think Tocchet was known to work well on an individual level with how a player should play very specific situations, and again, if the talent level is lower, that just might not matter as much. Then if it's not working out so well, a new tactic would be called for, but if that's not coming, you can see how player morale remains dejected, and the conclusion becomes, there must be a better way to get into these guys' minds how they need to play.

Essentially, I think it's possible that shoring up other areas would serve him better, because they are holding him back from getting to fully utilize his strengths. I just want whoever we next hire to be able to make more adjustments to teamplay and tactics than we have seen recently. I think the motivation stuff is easier to come by when you are able to play on an even tactical level with your opponents anyway.

Agreed and that's why I think he's a good assistant coach.
 

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Agreed and that's why I think he's a good assistant coach.
For sure. You can also see how his coaching path has him really well acclimated to the precise role, but as every one has pointed out many times, he didn't rise up as a head coach in the lower ranks so he lacks the full package. Perhaps there is something akin to Armstrong's desire to overbake prospects in the AHL here that applies to head coaching candidates - best to show you've mastered everything that can be thrown at you before you come up to the big leagues, else you're pigeonholing yourself and your future ceiling.
 

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Leadership is something that cannot be taught, and only can be learned to a certain extent. Some people have an innate natural leadership ability. Others can learn to be effective leaders but true leadership will make people better themselves. There are no guarantees with younger coaches but the characteristic should stand out to anyone looking for it.
 
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Leadership is something that cannot be taught, and only can be learned to a certain extent. Some people have an innate natural leadership ability. Others can learn to be effective leaders but true leadership will make people better themselves. There are no guarantees with younger coaches but the characteristic should stand out to anyone looking for it.
It's most definitely taught, both formally and through examples in workplaces and elsewhere. Business schools certainly teach management, a form of it, as do the military and their academies. There are researchers whose entire focus is on it. I agree it can be a bit more nebulous than a lot of other fields due to its interaction with various people of various levels of knowledge and rationality, plus the entirety of personalities. As per the suggestion that is innate, I disagree insofar as there are innate personality factors driving one to be a more natural leader, but I think most researchers would say experience is a greater factor and teacher. There actually have been twin studies done on this to get at the question of if it's nature vs. nurture, where they can measure differences in experiences and training somehow while obviously the genetics are held constant, and their conclusions demonstrate that it is likely more of a learned process.
 

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It's most definitely taught, both formally and through examples in workplaces and elsewhere. Business schools certainly teach management, a form of it, as do the military and their academies. There are researchers whose entire focus is on it. I agree it can be a bit more nebulous than a lot of other fields due to its interaction with various people of various levels of knowledge and rationality, plus the entirety of personalities. As per the suggestion that is innate, I disagree insofar as there are innate personality factors driving one to be a more natural leader, but I think most researchers would say experience is a greater factor and teacher. There actually have been twin studies done on this to get at the question of if it's nature vs. nurture, where they can measure differences in experiences and training somehow while obviously the genetics are held constant, and their conclusions demonstrate that it is likely more of a learned process.
Yes, experience is one hell of a good teacher. The good one's learn from their mistakes and don't repeat them. That is why I don't want a RT2 for our next coach.
 

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Can’t remember on which podcast I heard it but Army has told Housley and all the other assistants that they are “free to explore other opportunities” while he figures out the new head coach.

Doesn’t sound like he really cares if they want to leave (bye Felicia). In other words, doesn’t sound like he is jumping out of his seat to bring them back either.
 

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Can’t remember on which podcast I heard it but Army has told Housley and all the other assistants that they are “free to explore other opportunities” while he figures out the new head coach.

Doesn’t sound like he really cares if they want to leave (bye Felicia). In other words, doesn’t sound like he is jumping out of his seat to bring them back either.
I that was said that's just a nice way of saying "goodbye".
 

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Vancouver's cap is a mess. They need to sign Hughes and Pettersson and will have no basically no space left to fill out the remaining chunk of the roster. An OEL deal would have to be pretty creative.
 
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