TV: HBO's The Night Of

[KesselBuiltMyHotrod]

I've got more of a problem with this than Nas "becoming a badass". What's the end game if he does find him?

I think the Naz transformation storyline is a victim of the short season. They wanted to show how prison can change people but didn't have the time to do it properly.

The Stone storyline makes no sense.

 

[Burner Account]

I am wondering if Stone is trying to get Trevor killed.

 

[silverfish]

Maybe it's less that 'Nas is becoming a bad ass overnight' and more 'Nas was always angry, and now prison has brought it out of him'.

 

[Burner Account]

Maybe it's less that 'Nas is becoming a bad ass overnight' and more 'Nas was always angry, and now prison has brought it out of him'.

Somebody on Reddit pointed out that Nas kicked and punched Calvin a total of 22 times. Which of course is the number of times Andrea was stabbed.

 

[silverfish]

Somebody on Reddit pointed out that Nas kicked and punched Calvin a total of 22 times. Which of course is the number of times Andrea was stabbed.

Wow. That's a great catch.

 

[Burner Account]

Also, here is Box's map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1CP-9Q9elOZ4c8n-qK6NWQESvr_M

Why was it that he insisted on taking the cab to the party? The 7 train stops a block from the Khans' house.

 

[silverfish]

Also, here is Box's map: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1CP-9Q9elOZ4c8n-qK6NWQESvr_M

Why was it that he insisted on taking the cab to the party? The 7 train stops a block from the Khans' house.

That's like a 25 minute drive versus an hour long subway at that time of night [one-way]. I think this all happened on a Friday night, too, but if it was a weekend? Even worse.

He picked her up a few blocks away from my apartment. My bus drives right by there every morning.

 

[Sharpshooter]

One thing that was interesting was the photographer guy that Box brought to the scene. He took a picture entering from the back gate and going up the stairs of that person's POV of the kitchen. The view was highly blocked by the bad angle and the railing.

Could imply that whoever did kill Andrea came through the back gate, and didn't see Nas passed out in the kitchen because his view was blocked.

EDIT - and one more thing was the way Stone played off what Nas was doing during visitation. Chandra was visibly like... what is going on here? But Stone played it no mind. Played it cool. Even though he knew exactly what Nas was doing.

Basically like, Nas, you ain't low. Know that.

I agree that maybe Nas was overlooked by the real killer. Maybe he passed out in the kitchen, and the killer went upstairs, did the job, came back down and saw Nas and figured it was better to let him take the rap, or just let him stay passed out and sneak out.

Another thing I noticed about the gate was that it didn't lock/latch properly.

So either the inner door was open, because Andrea forgot to lock it, or the lock was picked(Duane is known for his B&E skills) or someone had a spare key.

Again, as I was saying a page or two ago, I think the real killer entered through the back.

Going to be interesting to see if Box can identify any of the characters, by those cameras, around the house at that time.

Maybe it's less that 'Nas is becoming a bad ass overnight' and more 'Nas was always angry, and now prison has brought it out of him'.

That's what I was thinking as well. I think he's had a lot of rage built up, maybe through this whole process, or also maybe through his life. And this was how he finally dealt with it.

It was also a great catch on the 22 stab wounds vs 22 kicks/punches.

I still don't think he killed Andrea though.

That's like a 25 minute drive versus an hour long subway at that time of night [one-way]. I think this all happened on a Friday night, too, but if it was a weekend? Even worse.

He picked her up a few blocks away from my apartment. My bus drives right by there every morning.

Agree with you again. Also, he wanted to be back home before his parents woke up. The sub maybe couldn't afford him that.

 

[silverfish]

I agree that maybe Nas was overlooked by the real killer. Maybe he passed out in the kitchen, and the killer went upstairs, did the job, came back down and saw Nas and figured it was better to let him take the rap, or just let him stay passed out and sneak out.

Another thing I noticed about the gate was that it didn't lock/latch properly.

I think they need to prove that the killer entered through that door. If they can do that, they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't Nas. If the killer entered through the back door (ie. they knew it didn't lock), why would Nas then break the glass on the front door to get his jacket rather than going back in where he knew he could easily?

All things considered, Box does seem like a good detective who is after the truth. He's pushing to get Nas because all evidence points to him, but the more he seems to learn, the less convinced he seems to be. Maybe if he gets his hands on those pictures, he'll see something.

 

[Burner Account]

I think they need to prove that the killer entered through that door. If they can do that, they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't Nas. If the killer entered through the back door (ie. they knew it didn't lock), why would Nas then break the glass on the front door to get his jacket rather than going back in where he knew he could easily?

All things considered, Box does seem like a good detective who is after the truth. He's pushing to get Nas because all evidence points to him, but the more he seems to learn, the less convinced he seems to be. Maybe if he gets his hands on those pictures, he'll see something.

After initially detaining Nas it seemed like Box was being the subtle beast that Stone described him as, and trying to get a confession or anything incriminating out of Nas.

But last night when the DA was talking about how to position the footage of Andrea getting into the cab as premeditation, I didn't think Box was really on board based on his reaction.

Subtle beast also fits in nicely with the Call of the Wild narrative. Speaking of:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Call_of_the_Wild
[spoil]The Call of the Wild is a short adventure novel by Jack London published in 1903 and set in Yukon, Canada during the 1890s Klondike Gold Rush, when strong sled dogs were in high demand. The central character of the novel is a dog named Buck. The story opens at a ranch in Santa Clara Valley, California, when Buck is stolen from his home and sold into service as a sled dog in Alaska. He becomes progressively feral in the harsh environment, where he is forced to fight to survive and dominate other dogs. By the end, he sheds the veneer of civilization, and relies on primordial instinct and learned experience to emerge as a leader in the wild.[/spoil]

 

[Sharpshooter]

I think they need to prove that the killer entered through that door. If they can do that, they can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it wasn't Nas. If the killer entered through the back door (ie. they knew it didn't lock), why would Nas then break the glass on the front door to get his jacket rather than going back in where he knew he could easily?

Exactly.

All things considered, Box does seem like a good detective who is after the truth. He's pushing to get Nas because all evidence points to him, but the more he seems to learn, the less convinced he seems to be. Maybe if he gets his hands on those pictures, he'll see something.

And yeah, he seems like a capable detective. 33 years under his belt as well. I think things will continue to not add up to him, and he'll pursue them, eventually leading to the real killer.

Getting those outside camera footage, i think, will really set him on the course of doubt.


I'm not sure how the cat fits into it all yet though. Thoughts/theories?

 

[silverfish]

I'm not sure how the cat fits into it all yet though. Thoughts/theories?

If the cat was inside the house when they came to investigate, then they could prove that someone else came through the backdoor and let it in when they came in. But I think I recall the cat being outside when the police came to the house. I'm perplexed.

 

[Burner Account]

Exactly.



And yeah, he seems like a capable detective. 33 years under his belt as well. I think things will continue to not add up to him, and he'll pursue them, eventually leading to the real killer.

Getting those outside camera footage, i think, will really set him on the course of doubt.


I'm not sure how the cat fits into it all yet though. Thoughts/theories?

Aside from the cat being a symbol/representative of Nas himself, I'm not sure how it fits into the actual crime.

 

[Sharpshooter]

If the cat was inside the house when they came to investigate, then they could prove that someone else came through the backdoor and let it in when they came in. But I think I recall the cat being outside when the police came to the house. I'm perplexed.

Iirc, Andrea let the cat out initially right? And the police/Stone found the cat outside trying to get in, in the morning.

I'm not sure what one could glean from that personally. I was wondering if anyone had any theories about what details/evidence could be supported by that.

It's possible that the cat wasn't hers. And if it wasn't hers, then maybe they can tie it to another individual, who may have had access to the house. I dunno, still doesn't seem to be a big tie-in.

 

[Sharpshooter]

Aside from the cat being a symbol/representative of Nas himself, I'm not sure how it fits into the actual crime.

I don't see the symbolism. Can you elucidate your thoughts for me?

And I don't see how the cat fits either...but I feel like it does somehow. Maybe i'm just looking too much into nothing.

 

[Burner Account]

I don't see the symbolism. Can you elucidate your thoughts for me?

And I don't see how the cat fits either...but I feel like it does somehow. Maybe i'm just looking too much into nothing.

Sure thing. Another gem from Reddit.

I think the biggest parallel was the cat being admitted to the dog pound (Nas being a cat and the other inmates being dogs). The cat (at the time) will almost certainly be euthanized if it remains there. It is on Stone to rescue it.

 

[silverfish]

Sure thing. Another gem from Reddit.

I think the biggest parallel was the cat being admitted to the dog pound (Nas being a cat and the other inmates being dogs). The cat (at the time) will almost certainly be euthanized if it remains there. It is on Stone to rescue it.

Yeah, definitely.

There's also a blatant shot of a cat in the opening credits. And, the closing scene of episode 1 with Nas's dad running outside looking for his cab, a cat was in the street there.

There seems to be a solid amount of 'cat' things going on. I have a feeling they are more important than just a metaphor for Nas.

 

[Sharpshooter]

Sure thing. Another gem from Reddit.

I think the biggest parallel was the cat being admitted to the dog pound (Nas being a cat and the other inmates being dogs). The cat (at the time) will almost certainly be euthanized if it remains there. It is on Stone to rescue it.

Yeah, I can see the parallels. Thanks.

 

[chicagoskycam]

The cat has everything to do with that rear door and the fact it doesn't close properly. Another tidbit is if the killer has cat hair related to that animal on them but that's a stretch at this point.

 

[Hivemind]

The cat definitely belongs to Andrea. They made a point of the photographer finding the cat food in the fridge.

As for Stone chasing Duane into the abandoned building, I think it's highlighting that Stone is in over his head. While he proved his utility as the "street smart" lawyer repeatedly over the episode, this is still a case well beyond what he normally deals with. His normal street savvy techniques are reaching their limits when dealing with Duane.

You're talking about fading out the same way as they faded in (blue neon light)? I've got no idea. Some technical reference to the drug or something?

Yeah, that. I don't claim to be the smartest guy by any stretch, but I didn't even have a guess to what that was about.

It was the ultraviolet light that Stone is using to treat his eczema on his feet. It was also focused on in the first shot of the episode.

One thing that was interesting was the photographer guy that Box brought to the scene. He took a picture entering from the back gate and going up the stairs of that person's POV of the kitchen. The view was highly blocked by the bad angle and the railing.

Could imply that whoever did kill Andrea came through the back gate, and didn't see Nas passed out in the kitchen because his view was blocked.

Yep, he even opened the fridge to set up the shot like it was when Nas was there passed out, with the fridge open behind him.

They also focused heavily on the back gate, and how it was either broken by an intruder or didn't latch properly to begin with.

 

[chicagoskycam]

For those wondering how Gandolfini would handle the cat toys, what about hoping the fence chasing after the guy?

I can't see Galdofini hoping a fence but I have to imagine sandals with crisco socks has to impact your overall speed.

 

[Peasy]

So the guy that they brought in to take photos of the crime scene said he ended up finding something, and it had blood on it.

Not 100% sure if he found it out back or not, but if it was found out back, and the blood turned out to be Andrea's. Then it could be shown that the killer most likely left through the back door, something that Nas did not do.

 

[chicagoskycam]

I also found the scene interesting with the DA basically telling the coroner what do say. I think this stuff happens all the time. Didn't need that visual by the flipping picture.

 

[Muston Atthews]

Some of the scenes in this show are absolutely breathtaking. Literally. When he was trying to swallow the drugs it had me on the edge of the seat. A couple more times this episode as well. When he kept trying to leave the police station had the same effect on me. You're just waiting for him to get caught

 

[Philly85*]

that was savage watching him swallow those 8 balls why talking to Stone and the other lawyer