Confirmed with Link: Hawks aquire Bowen Byram and Jordan Greenway for 4th overall, 45th overall, and Crevier

[Pez68]

Didn’t the Hawks already get warned for tampering because of the Mikheyev thing? I wonder if they’re being extra careful with a Byram extension since it can’t be signed until July 1st.

I know it seems silly, but the NHL is a silly place.

You can have discussion with players. You just can't sign a deal. lol

 

[Hawkaholic]

It’s the rough equivalence of what Montreal paid for Dobson……

No its not.

 

[bwanajamba]

People are delusional if you think you are getting a Norris caliber Dman at age 25 without a NMC for what we just gave up, completely delusionsal.

Norris caliber is like 5 guys in the league. That's a big jump from "did pretty well with the 2nd most minutes on a conference finalist"

 

[BLKHKhockey]

You haven't been watching for the past three seasons?

Ok so we get Bedard a top line winger, and then what? All the team’s other problems are solved?

Did you read the rest of the post?

I’m not saying don’t go shopping, but he should have plenty of talent to work with this season. Byram helps Bedard too.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Norris caliber is like 5 guys in the league. That's a big jump from "did pretty well with the 2nd most minutes on a conference finalist"

Exactly, and the price between acquiring the two is also big. Someone said he needs to be Keith, he doesn't.

 

[mjd1001]

for Davidson guessing the power forward element...they've been taking swings at rounding out their forward group with more size - see 2025 with Frondell, Nestrasil and West...but yeah there have been more than a few posters here that have pushed back against Knies because he doesn't have elite production despite playing with Matthews and Nylander

I live just about 1/2 way between Buffalo and Toronto, so my 'sports talk' radio is dominated by those 2 markets.

Some of the Buffalo radio guys this morning suggested that they would want the Sabres to trade the #4 overall pick straight up for Knies. Do they even watch hockey?

I'm not saying Knies is a bad player, and yes, he can get better, but right now I think he is an average "at best" 2nd/3rd line winger.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

I agree with this take. The #4 just wasn’t as valuable as it usually is once it became clear the Sharks are taking Stenberg.

 

[MTU34]

No it’s not.

lmao

 

[ello]

I don't know why some people get so aggressive and up in arms defending whatever this organization does

Like you know exactly who its going to be too even before opening the threads

 

[Pez68]

I don't know why some people get so aggressive and up in arms defending whatever this organization does

Like you know exactly who its going to be too even before opening the threads

Who is defending this organization right now? Please provide quotes.

 

[statswatcher]

He was a top 2 Dman for a legit playoff team.

and now he needs to be a number 1 dman for a non-playoff team. my imagination strains in search of some scenario where that doesn't work out.

Show me a 25 year old top 2 dman that was traded for less.

as has been pointed out, dobson was traded last year at 25 for two mid-firsts and some guy. dobson beat byram's career high in points three different times before that trade, and still brought back less value.

I couldn't care less about his contract at this point, because it isn't signed.

you have issues with object permanence.

The trade is only a failure if he doesn't sign, or if he cannot be a top pairing defenseman.

if he's just a middling top pair guy, the deal was an unnecessary overpay, and a failure.

What are the odds that the #4 pick this season ever turns into a defenseman as good as Byram?

i wasn't even married to making the pick. i think there was better value to be had somewhere else, e.g. trading back for a package, or targeting a player that isn't about to walk to UFA unless you give him the mint. there had to be something out there to do that didn't involve doing jarmo yet another solid.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

 

[u2wojo]

Shocker but the more you look at it the more you cant see the vision.

Its time to start winning. We dont have the 2nd star that you need to win just yet but you might just have to get a lot better to lure one in.

Free Agency will determine a lot of what I think about this trade.

If you can add Trouba/Carlson/Andersson or even Gudas/Kulak/Oleksiak

Then we have a good D core with a chance for a great D core.


I do wonder if this puts us closer on Tuch as well.


Kantserov-Bedard-Tuch
Bertuzzi-Frondell-Lardis
Moore-Nazar-Teravainen
Greenway-Greene-Donato
Mangiapane

Byram-Trouba
Vlasic-Levshunov
Kaiser-Rinzel

Knight
Commesso

Thats a real chance at playoffs.

Trouba and for sure Carlson/Anderson aren't coming here...they are going somewhere more obviously in winning now mode than Chicago is at this point. Also those guys are signing for 3-4 years at a minimum which I would not want to commit to other than to Anderson who again is not coming here.

Kulak and Oleksiak are both lefties on a team that has Byram/Vlassic/EDM/KK/Kaiser as LH D (even if a few can play r) so Gudas probably makes the most sense. Good PK guy, blocks shots, and adds toughness which this charmin soft team needs.

 

[Pez68]

and now he needs to be a number 1 dman for a non-playoff team. my imagination strains in search of some scenario where that doesn't work out.

as has been pointed out, dobson was traded last year at 25 for two mid-firsts and some guy. dobson beat byram's career high in points three different times before that trade, and still brought back less value.

you have issues with object permanence.

if he's just a middling top pair guy, the deal was an unnecessary overpay, and a failure.

i wasn't even married to making the pick. i think there was better value to be had somewhere else, e.g. trading back for a package, or targeting a player that isn't about to walk to UFA unless you give him the mint. there had to be something out there to do that didn't involve doing jarmo yet another solid.

I'm looking around the NHL and I'm just not seeing it. This is the current environment. Especially with the rumors of what teams have been looking for. I'd much rather this trade, than trading what Toronto wanted for Knies, for instance. Because at least Byram is an elite player, and a defenseman's impact is much, much higher than a winger.

Byram is going to improve the Hawks quite a bit. He is young enough that he fits their window. The contract is likely going to suck. That's my major concern.

 

[nmgrbhfn]

I take this trade as likely confirmation that McKenna, Stenberg and Malhotra will be gone by 4 so the Hawks are trading a future NHL dman for a current one. I wanted them to offer sheet Nemec but that would have cost next year's Hawks pick so the management wants hopefully three picks in the derby for DuPont.

Would the board rather have Byram than Nemec? Hopefully Byram stays healthy.

Kaiser I take will be his partner and Kaiser should view this as a great chance to take a step up. Management thought Kaiser was rounding into form at the end of the season. In addition, Byram is a high pedigree pro and that will shake things up which I like.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

I mean guys, he’s signing.

 

[u2wojo]

It’s the rough equivalence of what Montreal paid for Dobson……

EXACTLY correct #16 +#17 = #4 on sound of hockey draft value chart and = #6 on puckpedia's. For me this is a below average draft at the top which makes #4 a bit less valueable than it might be in an average year. Crevier & Heineman are close to a wash with Crevier as a bottom of the roster RHD probably having a bit more value.

 

[statswatcher]

I'm looking around the NHL and I'm just not seeing it. This is the current environment. Especially with the rumors of what teams have been looking for. I'd much rather this trade, than trading what Toronto wanted for Knies, for instance. Because at least Byram is an elite player, and a defenseman's impact is much, much higher than a winger.

Byram is going to improve the Hawks quite a bit. He is young enough that he fits their window. The contract is likely going to suck. That's my major concern.

i agree this trade is better than the same but knies coming back instead. i also agree that the contract is by far the biggest concern. i just don't see that it was a necessary risk. there was no reason they had to be buyers in a sellers market.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

 

[u2wojo]

No its not.

Sound of hockey draft pick value chart: 16 +17 = 4
Puckpedia chart: 16 + 17 = 6

Yes it is...especially in a bellow average draft which this one is.

 

[RememberTheRoar]

Help for Bedard

 

[u2wojo]

If this gets Bedard to extend for 8 years as opposed to only 4 or 5....that is a huge part of this trade too. You screw around to long rebuilding and at some point Bedard pulls a Larkin and demands a trade with limited preferred destinations and you end up with pennies on the dollar unless you get super lucky and the stars align in that trade.

 

[Hawkaholic]

as has been pointed out, dobson was traded last year at 25 for two mid-firsts and some guy. dobson beat byram's career high in points three different times before that trade, and still brought back less value.

"Some guy" that scored 22 goals in the NHL this year, along with 2 mid 1st round picks, and you could argue one of those 2 picks will be as good as the #4 pick this year. Byram is better than Dobson, right now.

The last 2 years, 5 on 5

Byram - 15G 48A - 63pts
Dobson - 17G 42A - 59pts

Playoffs total
Byram - 4G 15A 40GP
Dobson - 0G 11A 44GP

Last year, Byram had a better CF%, FF%, SF%xGF%, HDCF%, HDGF%, worse On-Ice SH%, worse On-Ice sv%, less Off Zone starts.

He's younger than Dobson, has higher potential than Dobson, and is a better skater than Dobson.

 

[Dead Meat]

then what? All the team’s other problems are solved?

Nobody said that.

 

[Hawkaholic]

Sound of hockey draft pick value chart: 16 +17 = 4
Puckpedia chart: 16 + 17 = 6

Yes it is...especially in a bellow average draft which this one is.

Now add in that they traded a guy who scored 22 goals in the NHL this season, as well. Dobson didn't go for less, he went for roughly the same package, but is a lesser player.