Confirmed with Link: Hawks aquire Bowen Byram and Jordan Greenway for 4th overall, 45th overall, and Crevier

[jackp0t]

Now you have to sign him or you look like a fool, its gonna be north of 10M. You are also buying his concussion history.

 

[Muffinalt]

Here you guys go. You get your move. You better love it.

Haven’t read all the 30 pages yet sorry.

But exactly this.

All the people constantly bitching here, on YouTube, on Twitter, on Podcasts on everything.

You got what you wanted. Most just wanted a move and didn’t care for context or patience. This is what that looks like.

Of course we already see a lot of them now bitching about the cost. Not predictable at all.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Byram needs to have a mid twenties Keith break out for this to be a win.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Sabres $4M cap dump they were speculated would need something attached to clear cap room and we took it while getting absolutely ripped off already

Oh and the fancy stats some of you love and worship say he is as shitty as our eyes can see

 

[Sarava]

Wow.

I think like most around here, I wanted Byram 7 years ago in the draft ahead of Kirby Dach.

I love adding Byram to the Hawks. Time will tell if he's a top pairing guy, but he should add a ton to this team either way. As long he stays healthy, which he has recently.

And yes, I'm shocked how much it cost. This is why I posted yesterday morning that the Hawks should probably hold off on a big move until next trading deadline. It's a massive seller's market and not great asset management to make a big move now. Also, giving up the #45 feels like unnecessary salt in the wound.

I'm expecting something else big. I don't see Kyle making this move and not adding a winger for the top 6/Bedsy. I'll be surprised if a week from now the Hawks still own 3 picks in next year's first round.

At the end of the day, yes they overpaid. But they overpaid for someone will probably help this team take the next step. So I'll shrug off the obvious overpay and be excited about Byram joining the team.

 

[Sarava]

Oh - and I'm sure someone else posted this already, but...who else is expecting the Sharks to trade up from #9 to #4 so they can get Stenberg and Reid?

 

[Cashman]

Wow.

I think like most around here, I wanted Byram 7 years ago in the draft ahead of Kirby Dach.

I love adding Byram to the Hawks. Time will tell if he's a top pairing guy, but he should add a ton to this team either way. As long he stays healthy, which he has recently.

And yes, I'm shocked how much it cost. This is why I posted yesterday morning that the Hawks should probably hold off on a big move until next trading deadline. It's a massive seller's market and not great asset management to make a big move now. Also, giving up the #45 feels like unnecessary salt in the wound.

I'm expecting something else big. I don't see Kyle making this move and not adding a winger for the top 6/Bedsy. I'll be surprised if a week from now the Hawks still own 3 picks in next year's first round.

At the end of the day, yes they overpaid. But they overpaid for someone will probably help this team take the next step. So I'll shrug off the obvious overpay and be excited about Byram joining the team.

I would agree with most of this. I love the trade, and I think it adds more talent. I don't wanna draft a guy at #4 and have to wait 2yrs until he comes to the Hawks. It is time to make these types of moves.

 

[FireKDnow]

For starters, all those saying "LOL people wanted a trade and then when he makes a trade same people all mad" can pound sand.

People want good trades, not worst in modern NHL history trades. Your argument there is equivalent to: "LOL people wanted more money to make a living then get mad when they only got $5 and were told to buy their entire family dinner"

This trade is a joke in every single way you slice it. Byram is no Quinn Hughes. He's no top-pair D-man on any team with any real hopes of competing. At best, MAYBE he becomes a PP1 QB but he has never shown the ability to be a shut-down defender in his own end and has concussion issues to boot (yes, I know he's stayed healthy the last 2 seasons... but concussions never just go away if more happen down the road... 3 in Colorado, some before his draft... brains can only take so much damage).

The bigger issue here is how bad KD is at his actual job. This panic move was the result of 2 major red flags with this rebuild: 1) taking Levshunov over Demidov, with Levshunov being 1 of many D-men he's drafted that are going the bust route... and 2) Most of the others looking like busts including Korchinski (can't get a team to take him) and Rinzel... with Vlasic failing to develop into a legit top pair guy (I am aware KD didn't draft vlasic, I am only including him here because he is not turning into the player many expected)

Drafting and developing is looking like a big problem for this franchise. Which is a nightmare for a rebuild. Ducks/Sharks are already miles ahead of the Blackhawks.

I don't want to see him go, but if I was Bedard I'd bolt the first chance I had. Wasting away his talent will go down as one of the biggest blunders in franchise history.

 

[FireKDnow]

I would agree with most of this. I love the trade, and I think it adds more talent. I don't wanna draft a guy at #4 and have to wait 2yrs until he comes to the Hawks. It is time to make these types of moves.

it's time to make bad moves?

I get that patience is running out and don't wanna wait 2-3 years for developing more players thru the draft... but then why is anyone ok throwing crevier into a deal in which Hawks were already helping Sabres clear cap space??

I am not acting like Crevier was a first-pair D, but he was for sure a top-6 guy... he took time to develop... and so far is one of the only D-man to develop in the system... so instead of continuing to watch him develop, lets deal him away (great plan, KD)

 

[Sarava]

I would agree with most of this. I love the trade, and I think it adds more talent. I don't wanna draft a guy at #4 and have to wait 2yrs until he comes to the Hawks. It is time to make these types of moves.

Yeah. And if the Hawks were to draft Reid or Carels, its not only a year or two until they get here, but possibly 4 or 5 or 6 until theyre good NHLers. Assuming they don't bust out. At that point Bedard's career is half over. I get the Hawks wanting to move now. It just came in a tough seller's market.

 

[Cashman]

it's time to make bad moves?

I get that patience is running out and don't wanna wait 2-3 years for developing more players thru the draft... but then why is anyone ok throwing crevier into a deal in which Hawks were already helping Sabres clear cap space??

I am not acting like Crevier was a first-pair D, but he was for sure a top-6 guy... he took time to develop... and so far is one of the only D-man to develop in the system... so instead of continuing to watch him develop, lets deal him away (great plan, KD)

What would you do with the #4 pick?

The Hawks needed a PP QB and more physicality. They got something Crevier did not provide.

 

[Cashman]

Yeah. And if the Hawks were to draft Reid or Carels, its not only a year or two until they get here, but possibly 4 or 5 or 6 until theyre good NHLers. Assuming they don't bust out. At that point Bedard's career is half over. I get the Hawks wanting to move now. It just came in a tough seller's market.

Agreed.

We can not keep waiting and waiting and waiting,. Bedard would leave at a certain point.

 

[crazyhawk]

I saw this trade last night and had trouble sleeping after that. Yikes is all I can say. KD must have been under a tremendous amount of pressure to improve the D at all costs. Problem is the cost here was much too high. I honestly can't see any upside with this whatsoever .. unless Byram has magically healed in all ways from his concussion sensitivities and becomes that 1 or 2 D. Sheeesh why not take Smits at 4! I

 

[ndgt10]

Agreed.

We can not keep waiting and waiting and waiting,. Bedard would leave at a certain point.

Then get a legit forward too.

 

[HawksDub89]

After a good night’s sleep, I’m still fine with it.

I do agree that KD still has another move up his sleeve.

 

[HawksDub89]

I saw this trade last night and had trouble sleeping after that.

Not me, a little melatonin had me dreaming of a 60 point season for Bo next year.

 

[deytookerjaabs]

The dominoes on this one really get me...

Hawks fans find out the Florida 1st round pick is protected long after trading Seth Jones, Florida sucks and still gets 9OA.

San Jose leap frogs to 2OA in the draft, putting them in a less desperate position after almost making the playoffs.

Florida trades 9OA for Brady Tkachuk.

San Jose trades Eklund to get the 9OA, the pick Hawks fans thought we were getting in the first place.

Kyle Davidson & Mike Grier then apparently get in a bidding war over Byram, because the Sharks have that 9th overall to dangle Kyle has to top that with our 4th overall while San Jose holds firm keeping their 2nd overall.

We had to outbid a draft pick that should have been ours to begin with.

 

[ndgt10]

The dominoes on this one really get me...

Hawks fans find out the Florida pick is protected, Florida sucks and still gets 9OA.

San Jose leap frogs to 2OA in the draft, putting them in a less desperate position after almost making the playoffs.

Florida trades 9OA for Brady Tkachuk.

San Jose trades Eklund to get the 9OA, the pick Hawks fans thought we were getting in the first place.

Kyle Davidson & Mike Grier then apparently get in a bidding war over Byram, because the Sharks have that 9th overall to dangle Kyle has to top that with our 4th overall while San Jose holds firm keeping their 2nd overall.

I don't think there's a big difference between 4th and 9th overall in this draft.

There is a massive difference between 2nd and 4th though.

 

[deytookerjaabs]

I don't think there's a big difference between 4th and 9th overall in this draft.

There is a massive difference between 2nd and 4th though.

McKenna/Stenberg are bonafide top 5 draft picks. But they aren't top tier 1/2OA picks. Whereas the rest of the pack are good picks at 5-10 in a good year. But it's not a generational drop off.