Has Germany and Switzerland surpassed Slovakia?

[Antiillafire]

This is just not true.
Slovak team had players like Kristof, Ceresnak, Knazko, Tomek, Roman, Rosandic, Hrehorcak,Griger, Ivan, Koch who are not in Slovak league.
10/22 not from Slovak league, including some key players. And the Russian team was Russia B, and did not have KHL stars.

So a couple Czech extraliga guys and a player from junior hockey, same same

 

[iginlafan77]

So a couple Czech extraliga guys and a player from junior hockey, same same

A team that was nearly half players from outside of the Slovak league. Not a good example of the strength of Slovak league.
And if you do want to use that team as an example, they then lost to a nearly all DEL (minus 3 players) German team 4-1

 

[Eye of Ra]

I would say Germany has already overtaken Slovakia, at least when judging by the current senior players. Although our 2004/2005 group of players is strong, I think we need to produce such talent more consistently to be able to say we are improving. Switzerland will be tougher, as they also have been producing good players lately.

Germany has definitely better senior team than Slovakia. The difference is made by Draisaitl, Seider, Grubaeur and Stuetzle. Other players are not that different from Slovakia, I even feel confident to say that Slovakia is doing better.


I´d say complete opposite. Swiss hockey is going through stagnation, or even moving backwards, and can´t produce young talents with the same pace like they used to do. On the other hand, Slovakia and Germany are able to do so.

lets take this in the right thread.

#	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	TP	PPG	PIM	+/-
1.	Leon Draisaitl (C/W)	Edmonton Oilers	34	26	27	53	1.56	20	6
2.	Moritz Seider (D)	Detroit Red Wings	34	3	19	22	0.65	22	1
3.	Tim Stützle (C/LW)	Ottawa Senators	29	5	10	15	0.52	12	-14
4.	Nico Sturm (C/LW)	Minnesota Wild	32	6	5	11	0.34	8	-7
5.	John Peterka (W/C)	Buffalo Sabres	2	0	0	0	0.00	0	0

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#	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	TP	PPG	PIM	+/-
1.	Tomas Tatar (LW/RW)	New Jersey Devils	32	8	9	17	0.53	12	-2
2.	Martin Fehérváry (D)	Washington Capitals	32	3	3	6	0.19	12	10
3.	Erik Cernak (D)	Tampa Bay Lightning	18	1	3	4	0.22	14	3
4.	Andrej Sekera (D)	Dallas Stars	19	0	3	3	0.16	10	0
5.	Zdeno Chára (D)	New York Islanders	25	0	2	2	0.08	57	1
6.	Adam Ruzicka (C)	Calgary Flames	5	1	0	1	0.20	0	0
7.	Richard Pánik (LW/RW)	New York Islanders	4	0	1	1	0.25	0	-2
8.	Christian Jaros (D)	New Jersey Devils	5	0	0	0	0.00	2	-2
9.	Marian Studenic (RW)	New Jersey Devils	14	0	0	0	0.00	0	-5

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Just looking at NHL, then Slovakia has stronger d overall but germany better f overall.

AHL:

#	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	TP	PPG	PIM	+/-
1.	John Peterka (W/C)	Rochester Americans	27	6	19	25	0.93	8	2
2.	Lukas Reichel (LW/RW)	Rockford IceHogs	19	10	8	18	0.95	6	-3
3.	Leon Gawanke (D)	Manitoba Moose	27	4	13	17	0.63	8	12
4.	Marc Michaelis (LW/C)	Toronto Marlies	13	3	5	8	0.62	0	1
5.	Dominik Bokk (RW/LW)	Chicago Wolves	22	2	6	8	0.36	6	-1

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#	PLAYER	TEAM	GP	G	A	TP	PPG	PIM	+/-
1.	Adam Ruzicka (C)	Stockton Heat	13	10	6	16	1.23	2	5
2.	Martin Pospisil (C/W)	Stockton Heat	20	4	7	11	0.55	29	5
3.	Marian Studenic (RW)	Utica Comets	13	5	5	10	0.77	6	6
4.	Richard Pánik (LW/RW)	Bridgeport Islanders	17	4	2	6	0.35	12	-7
5.	Maxim Cajkovic (RW)	Syracuse Crunch	14	1	1	2	0.14	4	-6

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Even.


European leagues:

Cehlarik and Hrivik vs Kahun and Macek. Again its even.

 

[Nico13]

Drai elevating his game alone makes that team better.

Definitely some good Goalies.

Kopitar as a 2C is amazing.

I feel like I missed out on some very good players but in theory the team would have Hart nominees (Drai), Norris nominees (Josi) and Vezina nominees (Grub). Nice start for sure!

Maybe I am a little biased but I think Hischier, Meier and Fiala would make this european non top 6 team.
Probably Niederreiter too. These 3/4 + Josi of course. And I think its all about swiss players on a team like that. That's already good.

 

[Nico13]

Ehlers-Kopitar(C)-Bjorkstrand
Stutzle-Draisaitl(A)-Zuccarello
Meier-Hischier-Fiala
Niederreiter-Sturm-Tatar
Texier

Josi(A)-Cernak
Sekera-Seider
Chara-Fehervary
Kukan

Grubauer-Halak

Not bad

 

[czech]

There are currently roughly comparable numbers of Slovaks (9), Germans (6) and Swiss (9) playing in the NHL (forwards and defensemen). Let's compare the number of goals scored in the past games of the season: Switzerland - 38, Germany - 35. And all the Slovak players in total did not score even 10 goals (9!)
All these are echoes of the fact that a few years ago (before the 22 draft), only 1-2-3 players were selected from the Slovaks in the draft (rarely 4-5, or even without any drafted players left). At that time, the Swiss had first-rounders Meier and Fiala, and Hischier was chosen as the overall first number.
The Germans were helped by a strong year of birth in 2002: 3 players of this year are already visible in the NHL. Plus Seider was selected in the top 6.
However, the situation has changed in the last two years. Slafkovsky, Nemec, Mesar, Sykora, Dvorsky, Honzek vs Bichsel vs Lutz.
In subsequent years, the situation should also be favorable for Slovakia.If the next draft is not the most successful, then the following can provide many potential stars: Radivojevic (25), Svrcek (25), Pobezal (25), Chovan (25), A. Straka (25), Dravecky (26), Tomik (26), Nemec (26), Plancar (26), Matta (26), Kazda (27), Valek (27), Pisarcik (27), Domonkos (28), Melicherik (29), Tomastik (29), Misik (29), Huna (30), Matejka (31), Filo (32).
Of course, I follow Swiss and German hockey players a little less, but for now I’ll just name them offhand: Swiss: Ustinkov (24), Domenichelli (27), Neuenschwander (27), Rohrbach (27), Stalder (28); Germans: Lewandovski (25), Handel (25), Krestan (26), I. Gimmler (27, possibly Czech (?)), L. Steffen (31) Although I probably missed someone.

 

[Speyer]

I can only talk about Swiss prospects in regard to future draft eligibles. The 06 class looks alot better than recent draft classes but it might be an outlier. Leon Muggli and Daniil Ustinkov should be strong candidates for the second or third round. Jamiro Reber might get drafted as a mid or late round pick. Then there are a few other skaters like Janis Weber and Robin Nico Antenen that might slip into the late rounds as well but are in no way guaranteed to be selected. Then on the goalie front there are also a handful of players that might get taken. Guys like Kirsch, Elijah Neuenschwander, Lachat etc.

Unfortunately after the 06 class it doesn't look nearly as good. I am not sure if we will even have a 07 born draftee at all. I wouldn't count out players like Florian Schenk, Lars Steiner, Jeremiah Mundy and Niklas Aebli completely in that regard though. And I also liked what I saw so far from the Goaltenders Gerber and Birchler. But its certainly a weaker class compared to the 06s.

In regards to 08 its already to early to tell. Forward depth seems pretty good and the main strength for this birth year. But I don't see a blue chip prospect in this group either. Nolan Rohrbach isn't comparable to guys like Fiala, Nino, Meier etc. at the same age in my book. There are also a couple of interesting d prospects but I haven't seen enough to be specific here.

Then when it comes to the 09's we are already entering completely unknown territory. I have seen very little of Domenichelli and Jonah Neuenschwander but from what I have seen I don't expect them to be blue chip prospects in the mold of Hischier or Fiala either. They might very well develop into draft candidates though. But thats just my rather uninformed take. So take it with a grain of salt.

 

[HockeyFan101]

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