Has Gerard Gallant done his homework?

[will1066]

Btw, I said as much last night in the PGT:

How does a new coach who doesn't know the old coach do the exact same things? It's like a head coaching trope: ride your "best" players when times are tough. What blows my mind is PP1 was the same 4 right handed shots. Gallant doesn't know Quinn yet went to the same well.

 

[tlk]

He's got to change quite a lot doesn't he?

 

[RangerBoy]

This stuff always happens. When Michel Bergeron came here in 1987, he made Jan Erixon a healthy scratch. Nobody could figure out why. Bergeron admitted he didn't think Erixon was a good player until he got to know him better. When Mike Keenan got here in 1993, the Rangers lost back to back games to expansion teams. Anaheim at home. TB on the road. That was TB's second season. The Rangers looked terrible in the Tampa game. What's going to happen with this team? When AV was the coach in 2013, the team was terrible in October. The San Jose debacle was rock bottom. Marty Biron retired after the game. It's a long season.

 

[will1066]

It's the definition of insanity, we were literally doing the same thing that cost us time and time again. Soft east west game is what our top lines want to play. The first 20ish was north south.

The thing is, you invite bad habits go remains by keeping the same exact lineup and setups.

Everyone knew Kreider on the right would fail.
It was time Miller and Trouba got split.
Strome on PP1 without a lefty on that sideboard it to easy to keep everything funneled, which the caps did the same thing to the 4 lefty unit.
Panarin and kaako have zero chemistry
When the going gets tough they go back to soft individual plays and stop supporting each other, just 5 random guys skating on the ice.

Everyone blamed the Warden (Quinn), because the inmates were running the asylum. Here we are again with questionable lineup decisions, stubbornness either by players and or the coach.

Yes it's game 1. But he never experimented in preseason. He lied when he didn't play the full lineup the last 2 pre season games so he could see these combos don't work. This was preventable.

I have high hopes for Gallant, but between the misdirection and roster decisions,maybe we are seeing with our own eyes why he can't keep a job for more than 3 seasons.

Exactly my thoughts. I would've posted word for word.

 

[Thirty One]

If you're starting from the premise that everything Quinn did was wrong and everything is going to be different under a new coach who is as smart as you are, you're going to be disappointed. That's the most predictable thing imaginable. People wanted Quinn to make lineup decisions that NHL coaches simply don't make very often.

 

[will1066]

If you're starting from the premise that everything Quinn did was wrong and everything is going to be different under a new coach who is as smart as you are, you're going to be disappointed. That's the most predictable thing imaginable. People wanted Quinn to make lineup decisions that NHL coaches simply don't make very often.

Yes, youre right. Im not expecting any lineup changes tonight or for the next 2 weeks until it's 1000% clear to Gallant that it sucks and we're 0-5-1.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

If Gallant does homework like I do my midterm papers then this team is doomed

 

[Foxy]

I'm sure he will make changes as the season goes on. With Quinn, giving JJ or Howden a shot to prove themselves wasn't an issue, for me the issue was when it was clearly not working yet he kept going back to them. It took him 25% of the season to realize JJ was awful and he never realized Howden wasn't an NHLer. So Gallant is giving Tinordi, Miller and some other players a shot, the question becomes how long is the rope and is it too long?

Also starting from what we were doing last year and slowly making adjustments, is right way to do it. We were in a playoff battle until late in the season, so its not like nothing was working. To blow it up and start from scratch to me, would be a little crazy.

 

[duhmetreE]

this thread is embarrassing

do you remember how ugly the beginning of AV's tenure was? they'll figure it out. it takes time.


We've had a top 5 PP in the league since December 2019

We really tear up bad teams. We get stifled by good teams.

Pre-covid the PP was different. A LOT more shooting.
Post-covid it's perimeter; setting up redirects and deflections. Slow puck movement

 

[Raspewtin]

We really tear up bad teams. We get stifled by good teams.

Pre-covid the PP was different. A LOT more shooting.
Post-covid it's perimeter; setting up redirects and deflections. Slow puck movement

the PP is different because it went from DeAngelo to Fox who play significantly different PP styles. DeAngelo had a lot more flare and generated more shots but Fox is significantly more methodical and is much better at soft shots for redirects and shots on net. Shooting more on the PP isn't inherently good. Trouba shoots a lot on the PP and he sucks ass at it. I would rather high percentage plays than point shots which are low percentage plays on PP.

 

[Trxjw]

Huh. Not really sure I'd want to hire the coach that said, "Top-5 PP in the NHL over the last couple years? Better f*** with it straight away." To each their own, I guess.

 

[duhmetreE]

the PP is different because it went from DeAngelo to Fox who play significantly different PP styles. DeAngelo had a lot more flare and generated more shots but Fox is significantly more methodical and is much better at soft shots for redirects and shots on net. Shooting more on the PP isn't inherently good. Trouba shoots a lot on the PP and he sucks ass at it. I would rather high percentage plays than point shots which are low percentage plays on PP.

We're not talking about Trouba shooting but Panarin and Zibs, with Kreider in front. That all stopped for some reason. It was too successful so we decided to try something else.

It's been talked about relentlessly but having a LHS on the right wall creates a lot more lanes and openings.

Fox is different than ADA. We do not take full advantage of the man power. Slow puck movement on the perimeter with no player movement. We make it a lot easier on the opposing PK. It doesn't mean it cant work but a well structured PK eats it up

 

[Machinehead]

We're not talking about Trouba shooting but Panarin and Zibs, with Kreider in front. That all stopped for some reason. It was too successful so we decided to try something else.

Last year, Panarin was 2nd in the NHL in powerplay shot attempts, Kreider was 9th, Zibanejad was 15th, and Fox was 16th (2nd among defensemen).

Only five teams attempted more powerplay shots than the Rangers.

 

[duhmetreE]

Last year, Panarin was 2nd in the NHL in powerplay shot attempts, Kreider was 9th, Zibanejad was 15th, and Fox was 16th (2nd among defensemen).

Only five teams attempted more powerplay shots than the Rangers.

That's irrelevant without context. Contort #'s to tell a story.

They were playing 1:50 of a PP. Weren't we also at the top of the league in PPs?

I'm also talking about one timers that were prevalent in precovid PP. Zibs has had his fair but was shanking everything. Everything was setup for Zibs last season, pretending he wasn't playing terrible. I'm talking about those one timers from the dots.

 

[Machinehead]

That's irrelevant without context. Contort #'s to tell a story.

They were playing 1:50 of a PP. Weren't we also at the top of the league in PPs?

Those numbers are already time-adjusted.

 

[Raspewtin]

That's irrelevant without context. Contort #'s to tell a story.

They were playing 1:50 of a PP. Weren't we also at the top of the league in PPs?

I'm also talking about one timers that were prevalent in precovid PP. Zibs has had his fair but was shanking everything. Everything was setup for Zibs last season, pretending he wasn't playing terrible. I'm talking about those one timers from the dots.

you're delusional imo

 

[duhmetreE]

you're delusional imo

yeah I'm delusional.

Our PP tears up good teams. I must have mis remembered everything.

 

[Thirty One]

That's irrelevant without context. Contort #'s to tell a story.

They were playing 1:50 of a PP.

The hilarity of following up "Contort #'s to tell a story" with "They were playing 1:50 of a PP."

I think the numbers Machinehead posted were ice time adjusted? Panarin was 50th in PP ice time in the league last season.

 

[huerter]

Our PP1 is the only configuration a competent coach would go with and our PP2 looked the best those guys have ever looked last night. Chill.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Personally I think Gallants "homework" can only be done once he's around the team/players. And hes had all of what, 4 weeks?

It appears hes not the guy to go reaching out to guys and having long talks just to get to know them better. Its all about what goes on, one the ice, in real regular season games.

But I am a little disappointed in season a very similar approach to the style this team played in years past, but its very early.

PP units are fine. Set up perfectly imo. All of the vets who have proven it before including a Norris winner and all of the kids on the 2nd. Only change I would make is swap Nils for Trouba, and I expect that to happen.

 

[duhmetreE]

The hilarity of following up "Contort #'s to tell a story" with "They were playing 1:50 of a PP."

I think the numbers Machinehead posted were ice time adjusted? Panarin was 50th in PP ice time in the league last season.

I don't think so. It comes down to the fact they tear up bad teams. I don't want to just beat up on bad teams.

I'd be interested in seeing the differences between our opponents. You can't use overall stats to prove me wrong. I'm not arguing we can't score on the PP against bad teams. PP success against NJD, PHI, BUF skews a lot of averages. I'm not arguing our 'averages' are the issue. I argue we can't beat a well structured team. "all good PP's struggle against top teams" if the numbers prove that to be right, I'll stop talking about it.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm not worried at all about our powerplay. We have Panarin, Fox, and Zibanejad.

It was top 3 last year when Zibanejad got over his concussion covid.

I think most of the criticism is rooted in the fact that we just want one of Laf/Kakko to pick up powerplay points to look better on the main board.

 

[will1066]

The hilarity of following up "Contort #'s to tell a story" with "They were playing 1:50 of a PP."

I think the numbers Machinehead posted were ice time adjusted? Panarin was 50th in PP ice time in the league last season.

You can also pound a square peg into a round hole 1,000 times and tell people there were 1,000 unsuccssful attempts. Shot attempts on a power play say less than shot attempts at 5v5. Like @duhmetreE said, last year they force-fed a Covid-sick Mika for one-timers and he missed on probably at least half of them. The setups were predictable. When they work, of course it's great, but they force-fed it.

 

[RangerLifer]

We really tear up bad teams. We get stifled by good teams.

Pre-covid the PP was different. A LOT more shooting.
Post-covid it's perimeter; setting up redirects and deflections. Slow puck movement

And then even when we beat good teams a lot of people in here say that team had a bad night or we got lucky. Some are NEVER happy no matter what happens.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

My biggest issue was there was no physical response last night. You go out and get Reaves. You go out and change the bottom half of your team to get tougher and more grit, blah blah blah. You start Tinordi over Nils who won the best rookie of camp. They had tons of PP time where he could have helped.

We heard it all off season, the owner decapitates the front office. And then they throw out a stinker, with no response other than some booming checks by Blias.

I understand at the start of the game you wanted to get off to a good start. Hell, you could have even sold me on a line brawl off the bat.

They should have at least sent a message in the third, they were down 4-0 with the crowd chanting "Rangers suck". They looked like chumps.

If Reaves and Tinordi were brought here to just play then we have a real issue on our hands when many critical decisions were made based on all of that. A least show the fans its here in Game 1. And this is coming from someone who doesnt like a lot of fighting. I cant think of a better time to send a message to the league. They fell flat.

What the hell was all of this for then? To get laughed off the rink in a 4 goal rout?