Has diving become a normalized part of the game?

[umma gumma]

Are you trying to be an ass?

I mean really! You're showing him how a pro does it...and he hasn't learned a thing.

 

[oilers4life5]

No way we need more penalties the refs won’t call. Gary’s game managers just need to call the rule book. I don’t care if there are 20 penalties a game or if they are 12-2 in a game in favour of one team.

Teams will learn as they always do when NHL has its crack down on x every couple years.

If the game is too fast for refs, have a ref calling penalties on video review and get one of them off the ice. They clog it up. We don’t need 4 of them.

 

[Legionnaire11]

The "It's always been this way" folks, you know that you can watch archived games from decades past right? Sure there were known divers in every era, but it wasn't nearly the same as what we're seeing now.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

And soccer-loving immigrants!

The funny thing about soccer is that there is little to no diving in women’s pro soccer. I wonder if the same holds true for the PWHL?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Always been divers

The "It's always been this way" folks, you know that you can watch archived games from decades past right? Sure there were known divers in every era, but it wasn't nearly the same as what we're seeing now.

From my watching , people aren't diving every game now either , and when they do its the usual suspects

 

[Wretched Oil]

Garbage thread

 

[Faceboner]

No one in the history of hockey has advocated harder for diving than Tim Stutzle. He wears it with honor on his sweater each game and stuns all with his classless display towards winning by any means necessary. Diving at the rate of bullets firing out of a machine gun, Stutzle has become a pioneer in normalizing falling to the ice at the lightest of touches.

In all honesty if gets away with it why not keep doing it doing what he can to draw calls to help his team win might not be respectable but if it works it works problem is during playoffs he might be shocked that the refs let a lot more go during shouldn't be a problem if they allow playoff hockey to be violent. Violence is what made hockey stand out among the other sports keep it bloody, intense and emotional that is where the excitement for the sport comes from its what creates connections between fanbases and the teams making the boos and cheers more meaningful making the goals feel more impactful and getting involved with the emotional turmoil of the team and hating on the rivals

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

More money on the line —> more incentive to rack up points —> more incentive to get PPs —> more incentive to dive?

 

[Golden_Jet]

No one in the history of hockey has advocated harder for diving than Tim Stutzle. He wears it with honor on his sweater each game and stuns all with his classless display towards winning by any means necessary. Diving at the rate of bullets firing out of a machine gun, Stutzle has become a pioneer in normalizing falling to the ice at the lightest of touches.

Haven’t watched since he was a teenager eh,
there are way worse Louganis divers on your own team lol.

 

[Super Hans]

TNT panel needs a "Shaqtin' a Fool" style segment that's just them roasting dives for 5 minutes. If anything is going to fix it, it's public bullying.

 

[Stlblue50]

Yes there were a small % of players that would always dive in the past but now it feels like it’s widely accepted based on a team to team basis. I’ve noticed certain teams appear to have a strategy of flopping when they need a change of momentum during a game. Those teams usually have a top PP.

 

[NyQuil]

In all honesty if gets away with it why not keep doing it doing what he can to draw calls to help his team win might not be respectable but if it works it works problem is during playoffs he might be shocked that the refs let a lot more go during shouldn't be a problem if they allow playoff hockey to be violent. Violence is what made hockey stand out among the other sports keep it bloody, intense and emotional that is where the excitement for the sport comes from its what creates connections between fanbases and the teams making the boos and cheers more meaningful making the goals feel more impactful and getting involved with the emotional turmoil of the team and hating on the rivals

He doesn’t get away with it, refs stop calling infractions incurred against him and as a result he’s cut it out of his play significantly.

Its not as transparent as fines or penalties but it’s there.

I agree that a more transparent process would be useful.

 

[BraveCanadian]

Players don’t necessarily dive more, they just don’t fight to stay up as much as they used to.

Come again? Going down like a sack of potatoes from small contact is... diving.

 

[Bouboumaster]

I mean really! You're showing him how a pro does it...and he hasn't learned a thing.

Again with the "no it's you!" comeback

Yikes!

No wonders you're a Sens fan and a fan of diving in this sport

 

[crab]

The refs continue to enable it. You have known players like Marchand who dive all game and still get calls year after year. Just got another call of a horrendous dive. Embarrassing player.

 

[philip]

It's a shame, but 'diving' is just a part of sport and always has been. Ice hockey isn't special in this case. If you can get some kind of edge in professional sport, you'll do it. There's no place for honour in this shit.

 

[Bring Bak Damphousse]

*trying not to make this about you watching Sutzle every night*

My first thought lol, I haven’t exactly noticed an uptick myself, but some years are worse than others.

 

[Bring Bak Damphousse]

Gallagher is real bad at it, but it been around forever.

I don’t think Gallagher has ever had a call go his way, but ok

 

[Look Up]

Ask the panthers

The Panthers even practice diving, for real.

 

[Score08]

The Panthers even practice diving, for real.

Well done

 

[Tryamw]

The Panthers even practice diving, for real.

See that splash? I give it a 2.1

 

[umma gumma]

Again with the "no it's you!" comeback

Yikes!

No wonders you're a Sens fan and a fan of diving in this sport

Oooff! That was as weak as your attempt to appear clever.

 

[Oleksiak]

The best way to evaluate diving and embellishing is post-game IMO.

Unless the refs are continuously going to the video to verify, handing out majors for perceived diving or embellishment is going to lead to some angry fans because a lot of these types of situations are identified through the use of instant replay.

I think it’s pretty difficult to evaluate in real-time. Sure, they give out minors on occasion but seemingly usually as a coincidental minor for game management purposes.

The issue is that they aren’t following through on their own policy of assessing these situations post-game.

If an opposing team could petition the league or file a protest after a game via a standardized process, that might help things along. (Not sure if this happens already)

Transparency on a league wide basis would help too - how many dives/embellisments were identified, how many of those resulted in supplemental discipline.

As most have said in this thread, when they do fine someone it seems to come out of nowhere and often much more egregious examples seem to sail right through.

I think replay should be used in game and the on-ice officials should have zero input.

 

[DFC]

Always.

 

[BlueDream]

It is in every sport.