Has diving become a normalized part of the game?

[TheNumber4]

Yes. And you can thank the Divealanche for diving their way to a Cup for why it’s happened.

 

[Devilsfan2326]

Behavior in sports is just a reflection of the modern average civilian.

 

[Romang67]

Given that the game is faster than ever, and despite that teams have by far the fewest number of PP opportunities per game in recorded NHL history, I would suggest that diving is either not as prevalent as people think, or else is near the only way to secure a penalty in today's NHL.

Or I suppose no infractions are committed at all, but that doesn't reflect what I see when I'm watching hockey.

 

[KeydGV21]

Yes, and by necessity…

Refs won’t call obvious penalties if a player doesn’t go down so players are forced to dive to get an actual penalty called.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Are you trying to be an ass?

I'm still not sure what him bleeding has to do with anything. If you're saying he's a warrior because he's been in fights and has fallen hard on the ice, well so has Stutzle, so I'm not sure what your point is. Every time Sens play the Habs I see Gallagher falling on the ice and mouthing off to the refs. Totally a warrior and not a p***y, right?

 

[Bouboumaster]

Here’s Stutzle playing after he took a puck to the eye.

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Keep talking shit you know nothing about.

Boohoo f***ing hoo
It was an accident. If it were from a player, it would have never happened, because Timmeh would have dive way before anything happened

Gallagher was almost assaulted and still played

You act like I'm a hater; I kinda am, but I am still fair: nobody is bitching against Pinto, Batherson, Sanderson, etc
Tkachuck is a f***ing dumbass, but he's also a badass

But you have to take your head out of your anus and aknowledge that Timmeh is the worst diver in the league, because it's a Stone Cold fact

 

[Golden_Jet]

Are you trying to be an ass?

Boohoo f***ing hoo
It was an accident. If it were from a player, it would have never happened, because Timmeh would have dive way before anything happened

Gallagher was almost assaulted and still played

You act like I'm a hater; I kinda am, but I am still fair: nobody is bitching against Pinto, Batherson, Sanderson, etc
Tkachuck is a f***ing dumbass, but he's also a badass

But you have to take your head out of your anus and aknowledge that Timmeh is the worst diver in the league, because it's a Stone Cold fact

I’m still fair , that’s the funniest thing I’ve read this year.

I'm still not sure what him bleeding has to do with anything. If you're saying he's a warrior because he's been in fights and has fallen hard on the ice, well so has Stutzle, so I'm not sure what your point is. Every time Sens play the Habs I see Gallagher falling on the ice and mouthing off to the refs. Totally a warrior and not a p***y, right?

Gallagher is embarrassing,
plus he got the crap beaten out of him, and thinks it’s a cub scout badge or something

 

[Bouboumaster]

I’m still fair , that’s the funniest thing I’ve read this year.


Gallagher is embarrassing,
plus he got the crap beaten out of him, and thinks it’s a cub scout badge or something

You don't read your own comment, otherwise you'd say that you've read the dumbest, stupidest post of the year.

 

[Grifter3511]

Soft times make soft people. Soft people make soft hockey players...etc etc.

 

[Golden_Jet]

You don't read your own comment, otherwise you'd say that you've read the dumbest, stupidest post of the year.

Ahh the old pot meet kettle lol.

 

[NyQuil]

Boohoo f***ing hoo
It was an accident. If it were from a player, it would have never happened, because Timmeh would have dive way before anything happened

Gallagher was almost assaulted and still played

You act like I'm a hater; I kinda am, but I am still fair: nobody is bitching against Pinto, Batherson, Sanderson, etc
Tkachuck is a f***ing dumbass, but he's also a badass

But you have to take your head out of your anus and aknowledge that Timmeh is the worst diver in the league, because it's a Stone Cold fact

What a waste of time.

 

[Bouboumaster]

What a waste of time.

Imagine reading that shit

Ahh the old pot meet kettle lol.

"No it's YOU!!" Is a dumbass argument, nothing more to be expected from a Sens fan

 

[MrHeiskanen]

Yes, and by necessity…

Refs won’t call obvious penalties if a player doesn’t go down so players are forced to dive to get an actual penalty called.

Yup that is what I think as well.

Refs were letting so much go, that to get a call was to fling your head or go down easy or put your body forward into the boards so now it has become normalized part of the game.

 

[TheNumber4]

Embellishment is a product of poor officiating, and poor officiating is a product poor league management. But that’s what you get with the incestutal good ole boy network that is the nhl front office.

Well said. This in a nutshell.

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Embellishment is a product of poor officiating, and poor officiating is a product poor league management. But that’s what you get with the incestutal good ole boy network that is the nhl front office.

The league specifically legislated out a huge aspect of how the game was regulated.

 

[Oleksiak]

Diving needs to be an automatic 5 and a game, with escalating suspensions:

1st offence: 1 game suspension
2nd offence: 5 game suspension
3rd offence: done for the season
4th offence: lifetime ban

Refs also need to be held to the same level of discipline if they choose to not enforce this.

Right now, players don't fear the consequences and we're seeing the game disgraced far too often as a result.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Diving has existed probably forever. The game is faster now, so more players do it more often now.

But it has existed since expansion at least. Bill Barber was first infamous one I can remember, but I bet there were others pre-expansion.
To answer the normalization part of this more fully, YES. Refs have stopped calling embellishment just like they stopped calling charging 3o years ago so we see more dangerous hits.

Eddie Shore was a noted diver, and I’m not being sarcastic.

People just gloss over this stuff with time.

 

[Score08]

The league specifically legislated out a huge aspect of how the game was regulated.

In what form? Was it by having lawyers re-write rule book in a way that it was nearly impossible to interpret a rule? Anyone else ever look up a rule and come away being more confused than when they started?

 

[NyQuil]

Diving needs to be an automatic 5 and a game, with escalating suspensions:

1st offence: 1 game suspension
2nd offence: 5 game suspension
3rd offence: done for the season
4th offence: lifetime ban

Refs also need to be held to the same level of discipline if they choose to not enforce this.

Right now, players don't fear the consequences and we're seeing the game disgraced far too often as a result.

The best way to evaluate diving and embellishing is post-game IMO.

Unless the refs are continuously going to the video to verify, handing out majors for perceived diving or embellishment is going to lead to some angry fans because a lot of these types of situations are identified through the use of instant replay.

I think it’s pretty difficult to evaluate in real-time. Sure, they give out minors on occasion but seemingly usually as a coincidental minor for game management purposes.

The issue is that they aren’t following through on their own policy of assessing these situations post-game.

If an opposing team could petition the league or file a protest after a game via a standardized process, that might help things along. (Not sure if this happens already)

Transparency on a league wide basis would help too - how many dives/embellisments were identified, how many of those resulted in supplemental discipline.

As most have said in this thread, when they do fine someone it seems to come out of nowhere and often much more egregious examples seem to sail right through.

 

[MCR74]

Ask Tim Stutzle.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Ask Tim Stutzle.

Guess you haven’t watched since he grew out of teenage years, kinda of like Marner was as a teenager.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

Behavior in sports is just a reflection of the modern average civilian.

I see a lotta old people whining about everything in the world they built, agreed.

 

[LionsHeart]

Yes, and the enforcement of the embellishment rules makes absolutely no sense.

 

[tfwnogf]

Always has been. I don't really have a problem with it. It's an art form. If you're good enough people won't notice but if you're obvious like Jeff Skinner you get fined.

 

[PaulD]

I have been following the game for more than two decades, and I have to say, I have noticed that diving seems to have become a normalized, accepted part of the game more than ever. Guys are flopping left and right to draw calls on a nightly basis, but the most disheartening part is that no one seems to call it out. Officials rarely call embellishments, and when obvious dives happen, hockey commentators almost never call it out on the broadcast. I can't tell how many times I've rolled my eyes at guys clearly letting themselves fall to the ice and the refs call a penalty and not a peep from the hockey media people who just go along with it like it's normal.

Am I the only one who's disgusted by this cultural shift in the NHL? There was for sure not as much diving in the NHL even just 10-15 years ago, what happened?

Bill Barber was diving all over the ice in the 70s.
Claude Lemieux in the 80s and 90s
Mike Roberio
Darcy Tucker
Esa Tikenen
Kenny Linesman
just to name a few.....

Game is way softer but diving is nothing....nor has it increased in any significant way