Has diving become a normalized part of the game?

[Crow]

I believe it was only 3 years ago.

Wow. I was thinking more in the 2010-2017 era that he played like that. I can’t help but feel that if that continued refs kind of considered him to be grandfathered into that style and continued to let it go since they did throughout his prime.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Gallagher is real bad at it, but it been around forever.

Gallagher ain't a diver lol, he's pushed around because he's like 5'8" max and weight like 170 lbs


But no, this dude ain't a diver:

 

[NyQuil]

Gallagher ain't a diver lol, he's pushed around because he's like 5'8" max and weight like 170 lbs


But no, this dude ain't a diver:

Just because he gets the crap kicked out of him doesn’t mean he doesn’t dive and chirp the officials and in the media constantly.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Just because he gets the crap kicked out of him doesn’t mean he doesn’t dive and chirp the officials and in the media constantly.

He's a pest, but he ain't no diver

Gallagher's office is right in front of the goalie, so yeah, big ass monster defensemen will throw him on the ground, but you'll never see this dude dive

You should know what diving is, you have Timmeh freakin' Stützle in your team. The "Mozart" of diving

 

[LakeLivin]

. . . My recommendations:

1. Rule change that diving infractions are 4 minutes so when refs call both, teams are punished for diving.

2. DOPS to take diving more seriously and start enforcing progressive fines that lead into suspensions. The fact that we can list a handful of players such as Stutzle known to be falling all over the ice every game and he gets nothing said to him can only be taken as endorsement.

While I appreciate your intent, can I have "What Could We Do To Make Sure The Refs Call Even Less Diving, for $500 Alex?"
I'd go the opposite direction. Institute a 1 min penalty the refs can call in conjunction with legitimate instigating penalties and I believe the refs would call embellishment more.

And distinguish between "embellishment" (response to a legitimate foul against to draw attention to the foul, 1 minute penalty) and "diving" (faking a reaction when there is no instigating foul, 2 minutes or even more).

The officials refuse to call anything unless someone is flopping around on the ice like a fish, so they incentivize it. Playing "through" abuse is no longer good enough. Fix that, and diving will decrease substantially.

The game is so fast it's next to impossible to catch everything on the ice. Take one official off the ice and put him in a video booth where he can see and call obvious penalties that are missed on the ice. It would take just a bit for the players to adjust, but I don't think it would take them too long to realize that they can't get away with a lot of the stuff they used to and would adjust their play accordingly.

 

[NyQuil]

He's a pest, but he ain't no diver

Gallagher's office is right in front of the goalie, so yeah, big ass monster defensemen will throw him on the ground, but you'll never see this dude dive

You should know what diving is, you have Timmeh freakin' Stützle in your team. The "Mozart" of diving

Everyone knows how much you despise the Senators, don’t worry.

Every time Gallagher falls down or is knocked down, he’s looking directly at the ref.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Everyone knows how much you despise the Senators, don’t worry.

It's a franchise that is easy to despise, to be fair

Still, everything I said is true, look at this thread, see how much Stützle was named

The dude is litteraly the poster child for diving

Maybe he'll stop being such a p***y one day, but for now, it is what he is

 

[NyQuil]

It's a franchise that is easy to despise, to be fair
Maybe he'll stop being such a p***y one day, but for now, it is what he is

Yeah, I’m sure you will be the first to acknowledge it.

 

[Mr Hat]

It's a franchise that is easy to despise, to be fair

Still, everything I said is true, look at this thread, see how much Stützle was named

The dude is litteraly the poster child for diving

Maybe he'll stop being such a p***y one day, but for now, it is what he is

Yeah I’ll take watching the guy play vs 10 like minded trolls like yourself. The jealousy is real because Stu is better than Gallagher at everything and that little man doesn’t like it.

 

[dirtydanglez]

there are players that make it a regular part of their game like stutzle and kadri but it's always been there. the problem is the refs are too reluctant to call it. id like to see the league review the call afterwards and start issuing suspensions with increasing severity for repeat offenders.

 

[Ghost of Murph]

I hate diving as much as the next person, but I don't think it has been normalized. It has been at about this level for years now. Players know that refs watch game tape and learn who the divers are, which usually results in less calls from certain refs involving certain players.

Sure, there some punks who continue to dive, but most players are too proud to engage in diving. Also, a lot of times people think a player dives when it's not a dive. There is no one right way to fall at high speed even when slightly tripped or knocked off balance. I'm not saying diving never occurs, rather pointing out that fans seem to think more things are dives than actually are,

I'll start worrying about it when it approaches soccer level.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Gallagher ain't a diver lol, he's pushed around because he's like 5'8" max and weight like 170 lbs


But no, this dude ain't a diver:

Blood means he never dives.

 

[Sensin5]

He’s really cut it out of his game this season but no one is going to notice or care.

*trying not to make this about you watching Sutzle every night*

Likely still whining about his "dive" where he missed 6-7 games with injury.

Haven't seen anything even close to a dive for a long time now as he got the message loud and clear not to embellish.

Meanwhile I still see a LOT of it on many of the teams the accusers are fans of.

Typical hypocritical garbage spewn by hypocritical clowns.

 

[NyQuil]

I do agree that “diving” is relatively rare compared to “embellishment”, where the players want to make sure the ref sees the infraction.

In some cases, they commit an infraction themselves, like holding on to a stick that was briefly hooking them.

People complain a lot about snapping heads from high sticks near their face, but it’s pretty hard to control that flinching reaction when a blade flies up an inch away into your line of sight.

 

[dukeofjive]

Embellishment comes in cycles it seems, the refs season to season for some reason seem to be focused on different penalties.

For the fans and I imagine the players it’s hard to figure out wtf is going on.

Add the speed, how much the players themselves can police what happens on the ice and we get some really weird calls or non calls.

Also some players get a reputation and can get away with playing over the line or never get calls there way.

God I love this sport.

 

[Score08]

Embellishment is a product of poor officiating, and poor officiating is a product poor league management. But that’s what you get with the incestutal good ole boy network that is the nhl front office.

 

[Ezpz]

Well the worst offender in the league is stutzle so I guess probably it's the soccer influence.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Blood means he never dives.

Blood means he's a warrior, unlike Timmeh

Yeah, I’m sure you will be the first to acknowledge it.

Probably not, but who knows? People came around for Crosby, so there's hope for Timmeh, but he seems like a real coward, so...

Yeah I’ll take watching the guy play vs 10 like minded trolls like yourself. The jealousy is real because Stu is better than Gallagher at everything and that little man doesn’t like it.

Stützle is for sure a better player than Gallagher, but he's also a gigantic p***y


One doesn't exclude the other

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Blood means he's a warrior, unlike Timmeh



Probably not, but who knows? People came around for Crosby, so there's hope for Timmeh, but he seems like a real coward, so...

He bled intentionally or something?

 

[FDBluth]

Blood means he never dives.

If you look closely, you can see it's ketchup.

 

[qc14]

The game is faster and more physical than ever, there are going to be more things that look like embellishment but are just natural at full speed. The real endemic problem isn't diving but kids being taught from a young age that turning your back to a hit means you are protected.

 

[Avsfan1921]

The game is faster and more physical than ever, there are going to be more things that look like embellishment but are just natural at full speed. The real endemic problem isn't diving but kids being taught from a young age that turning your back to a hit means you are protected.

This is very true. Still a lot that are very questionable though.

Also, call more instigation penalties when people are forced to fight after clean hits for the love of god.

 

[Bouboumaster]

He bled intentionally or something?

Are you trying to be an ass?

 

[nbwingsfan]

It always was. Any notion that it used to not be is nostalgia talking.

Its undoubtedly gotten worse over the last decade though

 

[NyQuil]

Blood means he's a warrior, unlike Timmeh



Probably not, but who knows? People came around for Crosby, so there's hope for Timmeh, but he seems like a real coward, so...

Here’s Stutzle playing after he took a puck to the eye.

Keep talking shit you know nothing about.