Has Connor Bedard quietly became underrated ?

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Do you agree Hughes isn’t very good since he isn’t even PPG this season and being out scored by Noesen?

He's definitely not generational, just like Bedard.

He has 1 single less point than McDavid, who has less points than Stefan Noesen….

What a strange post

Yes I'm not sure that will last.

 

[alko]

How much for his Young Guns Gold parallel now?

 

[Bombshell11]

Over - Rated

4% Shooting .... is this a joke?

If i was a director in NHL 25 i would put his potential to Top 6 Medium and his Ovr grade would be no more than 84

2 goals in 21 last games is definitely a cause for a concern when we talk about an elite sniper

As elite as David Desharnais

 

[Bombshell11]

I'm trying to imagine Bedard playing in the Lindros era lol.

Paul Kariya minus the IQ and top end skills

Damn, Kariya torched the league in his second year, 50 goals, 108 pts...

 

[HeadLiceHatty]

Paul Kariya minus the IQ and top end skills

Damn, Kariya torched the league in his second year, 50 goals, 108 pts...

Kariya is crazy underrated imagine him in this NHL, always admired him as a kid. But Bedard would light up any league he’s special.

 

[Panthaz89]

It's almost like Lindros had some other traits relative to Bedard that can't quite be captured in looking at raw statistics.

I mean Lindros has a lot on pretty much any player in the history of the game except guys like Jagr and Mario....Gretzky was 6'0 and 185 lbs not exactly a giant. Just saying there is more to hockey than simply having insane physical tools.

 

[MarchyGOAT]

Comparing someone to McDavid and Crosby before their rookie season is not very realistic.

 

[wingerdinger]

If you haven’t broken out and won the Hart, Lindsay, Art Ross, Selke, Calder, Vezina, Adams, and Conn Smythe by the time you’re eight games into your second year the organisation that drafted you is probably rife with firings and suicidal ideation.
Why is this Bedard kid not trade bait for a solid 35 year old third liner?
Cut your losses.

Classic sunk cost fallacy, Chicago just needs to down tools and tank for Hagens already.

 

[nbwingsfan]

He's definitely not generational, just like Bedard.


Yes I'm not sure that will last.

You’re one making claims after 7 games played like it means a deal thing, not me.

Comparing someone to McDavid and Crosby before their rookie season is not very realistic.

McDavid was compared to Crosby before their rookie season and that ended up just fine for him?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

You’re one making claims after 7 games played like it means a deal thing, not me.

The claim was that he's generational. I didn't make the claim, I merely poked hole in the claim. The burden of proof is not on me.

You were one of those foolish posters making generational claimed before he stepped foot in the NHL because of junior stats. And now you refuse to address the fact that he's played ~70 NHL games without looking generational.

He's an excellent talent, but maybe you can finally admit that he's not a McDavid or Crosby.

 

[Bombshell11]

Kariya is crazy underrated imagine him in this NHL, always admired him as a kid. But Bedard would light up any league he’s special.

But hes not lighting it up? Not sure whats your point?

 

[Voight]

I love the HFB scouts who are so good at evaluating talent that they're posting on here and uh, not working for a professional or even junior hockey team

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I love the HFB scouts who are so good at evaluating talent that they're posting on here and uh, not working for a professional or even junior hockey team

Do you think scouting for a junior hockey team is some glorious high paying job with good work/life balance? It's not a realistic option for most people. I'd much rather keep my WFH career vs constantly being on the road for a fraction of the pay.

 

[Acallabeth]

I love the HFB scouts who are so good at evaluating talent that they're posting on here and uh, not working for a professional or even junior hockey team

I think HF talent evaluation is quietly underrated. The question is... is it generational?

 

[nbwingsfan]

The claim was that he's generational. I didn't make the claim, I merely poked hole in the claim. The burden of proof is not on me.

You were one of those foolish posters making generational claimed before he stepped foot in the NHL because of junior stats. And now you refuse to address the fact that he's played ~70 NHL games without looking generational.

He's an excellent talent, but maybe you can finally admit that he's not a McDavid or Crosby.

Oh no! 70 games!?

What an over the hill bum.

McDavid only had 14pts in his first 13 games of his second season… look how that turned out for him.

You’re using the first 7 games of the season to try and shit on him by comparing him to other players so far is as ridiculous as saying Nosen > Hughes/McDavid

Then again you think Hughes is a shoe in 130+pt player sooo… maybe you don’t know that much.

 

[VivaLasVegas]

I love the HFB scouts who are so good at evaluating talent that they're posting on here and uh, not working for a professional or even junior hockey team

"Scout" ~ Couldn't swing a sales associate job at Best Buy.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

McDavid only had 14pts in his first 13 games of his second season… look how that turned out for him.

He was 4th in scoring at that point, and had 5 more points than the next highest Oiler.

You’re using the first 7 games of the season to try and shit on him by comparing him to other players so far is as ridiculous as saying Nosen > Hughes/McDavid

The claim was that he's generational. Nothing about his first 2 seasons to date support that claim.

 

[Kshahdoo]

He was 4th in scoring at that point, and had 5 more points than the next highest Oiler.

The claim was that he's generational. Nothing about his first 2 seasons to date support that claim.

Michkov has 3 more points than next highest Flyer. After just 7 games. Does it count?

 

[authentic]

Matthews isn't a generational player.

Generational goal scorer, and no previous top 10 all-time caliber goal scorer had anywhere close to the two-way game he has. Really in a way he's a very unique player that hasn't come along before, a two-way center who can score 60-70 goals?

I'm starting to feel like Bedard isn't a generational player. He seems more like John Tavares on steroids to me...

Lol, Might even be the other way around. But no in all seriousness I fully expect him to become a better player than Tavares.

 

[RooBicks]

He was 4th in scoring at that point, and had 5 more points than the next highest Oiler.

The claim was that he's generational. Nothing about his first 2 seasons to date support that claim.

Who gives a shit about your labels? He consistently drove play and won the Calder on what was one of the worst constructed rosters I've seen in the last 5 or so years, despite having his season significantly interrupted by an injury. His poise and the clear connection between his presence on the ice and Chicago actually being able to compete were obvious for anyone with eyes to see. Barring injury, he will evolve into a 100+ player for a decade or more to come. He doesn't rely on speed the same way McDavid does and he doesn't have Crosby's fully adult build coming into the league, but his quickness, intuition, and shot are special. Very special.

"But are they generational"? To repeat:

Who. Gives. A. Shit.

Let the dude cook and enjoy the show.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Who gives a shit about your labels? He consistently drove play and won the Calder on what was one of the worst constructed rosters I've seen in the last 5 or so years, despite having his season significantly interrupted by an injury. His poise and the clear connection between his presence on the ice and Chicago actually being able to compete were obvious for anyone with eyes to see. Barring injury, he will evolve into a 100+ player for a decade or more to come. He doesn't rely on speed the same way McDavid does and he doesn't have Crosby's fully adult build coming into the league, but his quickness, intuition, and shot are special. Very special.

"But are they generational"? To repeat:

Who. Gives. A. Shit.

Let the dude cook and enjoy the show.

He's going to be a fantastic and entertaining player to watch for a long, long time.

Agree on the label piece. My broader point is that he doesn't need to become McDavid or Crosby to be an awesome player, and that's a very unreasonable expectation to have of him at this point. Call that sort of player whatever you want.

 

[Brookbank]

The claim was that he's generational. I didn't make the claim, I merely poked hole in the claim. The burden of proof is not on me.



He's an excellent talent, but maybe you can finally admit that he's not a McDavid or Crosby.

But it is on you.

The same people who said Crosby and McDavid were generational are the same ones who are saying Bedard is generational. And the same entities that plowed millions into endorsements for Crosby and McDavid, are plowing millions into Bedard.

And they are 2 for 2.

 

[authentic]

I mean Lindros has a lot on pretty much any player in the history of the game except guys like Jagr and Mario....Gretzky was 6'0 and 185 lbs not exactly a giant. Just saying there is more to hockey than simply having insane physical tools.

Gretzky was maybe 160 pounds when he first broke into the league, it was comical how skinny he was and still able to dominate like he did while not being the outright fastest or most skilled player in any other way besides his IQ. Really it was a very different league back then and I still have my doubts Gretzky would be better than Lemieux in the 95-modern NHL. At a certain point during the 90s it just seemed very unlikely that a player could be the best without standing out a lot in many physical aspects of the game... Or atleast to the tune that Gretzky was in the 80s. Maybe he would be a Kucherov+, maybe he really would be better than McDavid, but actually I believe he came up at the best time possible to get the most out of the mental part of the game in which he was superior to every other player in history.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Oh no! 70 games!?

What an over the hill bum.

McDavid only had 14pts in his first 13 games of his second season… look how that turned out for him.

You’re using the first 7 games of the season to try and shit on him by comparing him to other players so far is as ridiculous as saying Nosen > Hughes/McDavid

Then again you think Hughes is a shoe in 130+pt player sooo… maybe you don’t know that much.

This whiskey dude has been pretty consistently anti Bedard. Fine everyone can have their evaluations but he seems really keen to take a victory lap.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

But it is on you.

The same people who said Crosby and McDavid were generational are the same ones who are saying Bedard is generational. And the same entities that plowed millions into endorsements for Crosby and McDavid, are plowing millions into Bedard.

And they are 2 for 2.

So your argument for him being at Crosby and McDavid's level is that other people said so 2 years ago?

Not very compelling. His body of work in the NHL simply doesn't compare 87 and 97 at the same age.

This whiskey dude has been pretty consistently anti Bedard. Fine everyone can have their evaluations but he seems really keen to take a victory lap.

I said he projects to be better than Patrick Kane, how is that anti-Bedard? In the past I said he had 120+ point potential. How is that anti-Bedard?