Has Colorado’s core underachieved?.

[Mike C]

Won a cup, that’s all that matters

As a fan I have to concur with that. I was in my early-mid 20s when the Islanders won 4 straight

I honestly don't care if they win another game as long as I live

 

[Iggys Dome]

Honestly, yeah.

Makar is generational, Mackinnon is a top 5 player since 2018. They need another cup IMO. It would be a disappointment if they didn't win another.

Making it past the 2nd round once is also crazy. I feel a new coach would help them a lot.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Those Boston guys played in 3 cup finals and won one of them.

And?

 

[Stephen]

Colorado won a cup so you take that to the bank, but based on how high octane they were winning it you kinda think they should have another cup in there as well.

 

[Boonk]

And?

Neither Makar, MacK or the Avs have come close to that kind of consistency over 20 years yet. Theres a lot of work to be done if they want to reappear in another final.

 

[PAZ]

And fading.

They’ve had no success since that cup and have had the GM make a few self inflicted gunshots.

Sure a cup is a great and all that matters, but sustained success should be the goal because one day that cup you won is 30 years in the past and not relevant. So yes. They won a cup, congrats to them. But since then? Nothing but exits from the playoffs despite being heavily favoured from all the pundits and media.

They won a cup less than 5 years ago.

Sustained deep runs is nice and getting knocked out of the playoffs early sucks. But end of the day it doesn't matter. You can have a million deep runs for two decades, but if it doesn't translate to a cup nobody remembers that. I guarantee that any Sharks fans would trade their ~15 years of deep runs for 1 cup and 14 years of mediocrity.

Does it matter that Tampa made it to the ECF 6 times and SCF 4 times in the past 10 years? Nope. They care about the 2 cups they won during that time.

The Avs have made some mistakes and changes need to be made, but their window isn't closed. Your beloved Oilers have Stuart Skinner as their starter and Nurse making $9 mil and still made it to the SCF.

 

[waitin425]

They have not underachieved. There are 32 teams in this damn league and multiple superstars on various other teams. Winning the Stanley Cup is the hardest trophy in sports to win.

Edmonton and Toronto have none for reference and they too have "superstars".

Colorado is likely not done competing either.

 

[hamzarocks]

They are on their way to be a WSH Cap level team which would be a failure

Barring a SCF final appearance at minimum, the caps had a bad contention era with many choked series. The 2018 cup stops them from being SJS but the chokes stop them from being Pens, Bolts, Hawks level team.

Avs need another 2-3 deep runs (WCF at minimum). They should be good for another 2-3 years

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Neither Makar, MacK or the Avs have come close to that kind of consistency over 20 years yet. Theres a lot of work to be done if they want to reappear in another final.

Hence the talk of Colorado underachieving with them vs. the overachievers in Boston

 

[Wallet Inspector]

I wish my Sens "underachieved" by winning a single Cup in the 2000s.

 

[Oilslick941611]

As a fan I have to concur with that. I was in my early-mid 20s when the Islanders won 4 straight

I honestly don't care if they win another game as long as I live

you really don't care about winning a game?

I'd rather be entertained by my team than think about glory days 40 years ago.

 

[Cool Hand Puke]

Yah. Exactly my point. Those old cups don’t hold much weight today do they? Look at my oilers. 5 cup, last one in 90 six years before the avs first one. Doesn’t mean much to me and certainly not worth arguing over or using as some “gotcha” to prove a point online.

Winning the cup is everything for the players, it’s their accomplishment and no one can take that away from them ever. But as a fan it’s doesn’t mean anything. It’s doesn’t make you a better fan.

So your team wins a cup in 2022, it’s now 2052. Your team has had a run of bad luck. Getting knocked of the playoffs early for a years and then rebuilds and it doesn’t go smoothly. And it’s been a few years since you made the playoffs. Are you, as a fan still whipping and high diving that cup win in 2022 and using it as a point in arguments with other fans about why your team doesn’t suck?

I know for me in my 40s I’m not using the 90 cup win for the oilers for anything other than a historic fact. So you won it. Cool. Whats happening now?

You can’t fault a team for not winning the cup. There’s 1 cup winner a year and 32 teams. Statistically speaking, each team can win the cup once and it could take 31 years to win another if there’s a new winner every year. Even longer if you count Atlanta. Now take into account multiple teams winning in those 31 years and it’s even less and less cups to go around. Using a 30 year benchmark for 3 different cups isn’t the “gotcha” you think it is.

 

[Cool Hand Puke]

In the 80s lol

If the Oilers win this year you will not care what happens for the rest of this decade, rightfully

lol we’re still hearing how “close the oilers were” in 2006. Yet teams aren’t supposed to celebrate actually winning it just slightly longer… ok… sure…

 

[Cool Hand Puke]

And fading.

They’ve had no success since that cup and have had the GM make a few self inflicted gunshots.

Sure a cup is a great and all that matters, but sustained success should be the goal because one day that cup you won is 30 years in the past and not relevant. So yes. They won a cup, congrats to them. But since then? Nothing but exits from the playoffs despite being heavily favoured from all the pundits and media.

By that logic the only team they can celebrate anything is Tampa Bay then?

At least until Edmonton wins the cup and then it changes right?

 

[Sasha Orlov]

lol we’re still hearing how “close the oilers were” in 2006. Yet teams aren’t supposed to celebrate actually winning it just slightly longer… ok… sure…

What

 

[Cool Hand Puke]

What

I was agreeing with you that Oilers fans taken wild.

 

[Oilslick941611]

You can’t fault a team for not winning the cup. There’s 1 cup winner a year and 32 teams. Statistically speaking, each team can win the cup once and it could take 31 years to win another if there’s a new winner every year. Even longer if you count Atlanta. Now take into account multiple teams winning in those 31 years and it’s even less and less cups to go around. Using a 30 year benchmark for 3 different cups isn’t the “gotcha” you think it is.

im not using 30 years as a gotcha, im using 30 as a nice round number becuase my team hasnt won since 1990. Im using my experience. Sometimes i forget its 2025 and not 2020. TIme flies fast.

I agree with you here, for the most part, its a 32 team league, There will be great players who will go an entire career without winning a cup. The only "flaw" i have with your stats are not every team has the same odds of winning a cup any given year, but largely i agree with your point and have it made it many time. I dont like using "my team won a cup" in arguments because A) i think its stupid and B) as a fan you didn't win it, the players did, its not your accomplishment.

 

[Oilslick941611]

lol we’re still hearing how “close the oilers were” in 2006. Yet teams aren’t supposed to celebrate actually winning it just slightly longer… ok… sure…

only from idiots.

 

[RevengeOfTheDrai]

I wish my Sens "underachieved" by winning a single Cup in the 2000s.

The Avs have been favorites or near favorites to win the cup since the start of 2021, and only made it past the second round once. I don't recall the Sens being in the same position, because while they had a great team, they didn't have a Makar and MacKinnon-type of talent, and a top supporting cast on top of that such as Rantanen, Nichushkin, Toews, and Landeskog. To me, Chicago, Kings, and the Penguins had inferior rosters than the AVS and have achieved more regardless.

 

[Oilslick941611]

By that logic the only team they can celebrate anything is Tampa Bay then?

At least until Edmonton wins the cup and then it changes right?

look at you making it tribal.

The point is, todays win is tomorrow's 30 years ago we won. Be humble and just enjoy the damn games for what they are, entertainment, not a tribal "my dick is bigger than yours" because a team you like won something.

 

[Aashir]

if they have this core together and in the next 5 years they continue to falter in the first or second round they would be very similar to the ovi led washington capitals

very solid regular season team that sorta choked come playoff time, that had everything go right in their only win and only made it past the second round 1 time

as of now, they have slightly underproduced, but they have the potential to heavily underproduce just like i think the ovi caps did.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Unsure why people keep obsessing over Avs this year since being eliminated. They have a Cup recently and are always a contender. There are MANY more teams that people should be concerned about

 

[Cool Hand Puke]

look at you making it tribal.

The point is, todays win is tomorrow's 30 years ago we won. Be humble and just enjoy the damn games for what they are, entertainment, not a tribal "my dick is bigger than yours" because a team you like won something.

You’re the one shitting on fans who say their team won a cup 3 years ago…

 

[SomeDude]

I remember this discussion about the Pens prior to 2016. I don't think Colorado's core is done yet...at least as long as the front office can get out of it's own way.

 

[Regal]

Maybe relative to what they seemed capable of a few years ago, but Landeskog’s injury, Nichushkin’s personal issues, and Byram stagnating with injury and then wanting a bigger role were obvious hurdles. As was the flat cap coinciding with MacKinnon’s raise. They probably should have beat Seattle and maybe 2020 Dallas, but there’s no shame in losing to Vegas or Dallas the past two years.