Has Bob been worth the money this year ?

[IHeartZherdev*]

How long are we going to continue to spout of the Vezina when it was a Vezina with a massive asterisk next to it?

You will never convince me that his Vezina wasn't tarnished by the fact that he only played 48 games.

He should not be mentioned in the same breath as other Vezina winners and this season, at least until he returned from the Olympics, wasn't anything remotely close to a Vezina type season. Even with his push late in the season; he shouldn't receive consideration this season.

Look, I'm as excited as the next guy about Bob. But until he puts together another Vezina quality season and plays at that level in the playoffs; I'm not going to reference him as an elite goal tender worthy of the hardware he received.

He should not have received 5.6 million. Nothing anyone says will convince me otherwise. The start of this season justified my stance. I thought he needed to prove himself over the course of a full season. Before I even say that he should be considered for a 7 million deal, he needs a full season of elite play and would like to see solid performances in the post season (by my standards, not knee-jerk fan reactions). He hasn't earned the right to those dollars yet.

Varlamov got an extension last year for $5.9 million a year, much longer term. Corey Crawford's new deal pays him $6 million. You don't think Bob is on the same level as them? He is definitely in their ballpark IMO.

You are acting like he is being paid like an "elite" goalie - when as I pointed out, he isn't close to guys like Hank and Rinne.

Hockey is a business and there is a marketplace, and you have to look at which sides have leverage. Your "stance" is ridiculous for many reasons, but realistically the fact is you have to take this stuff into account - Bob and his agent would never have, and shouldn't have considered, say, a 1-year $3 million "prove it" deal. And to offer one like that would have been a slap in the face.

 

[cbj21]

Of course he is worth the money he gets. He is not the overpaid one on this team in fact one could argue he is underpaid. Our MVP again.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

10th in the league in sv %
15th in GAA

No, he did not meet my expectations. Bob is a top 10 goalie, and should be in the top 10 in the relevant categories, year in year out. He has been better down the stretch, and that is very encouraging. He has been better than our goalies of past. I'm glad we have Bob, but I expect this is an overall poor season for him.

There are a few non-starters on the SV% list and GAA list.

For full time starters, he's tied for 10th in GAA and 6th in SV %.

(just noticed someone posted similar info last page)

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

Actually the correct answer to that is we don't know. Who would have been the replacement for Bob had we went another direction?

Had Bob suffered a season ending injury and we had went with just what is in our system? You are, most likely, right.

Actually, we do know. First, if we hadn't kept Bob we didn't have someone in the system who could start so we'd have had to acquire someone.

So if we "went in another direction" we'd have traded or signed another goalie. Here are the names of some goalies on the market recently: Bryz, Halak, Scrivens, Tim Thomas, Dan Ellis, Emery, Luongo, Bishop, Neuvirth, Backstrom, Vokoun, Dubnyk...and Ryan Miller (1st round cost to rent) and Cory Schneider (1st round cost) who were probably the best of the available.

You think these guys would have better options to build our team around than a 24 year old RFA Sergei Bobrovsky coming off a great season? Think we make the playoffs with one of these other guys?

 

[blahblah]

To be clear - you are saying Bob's 2-year deal after he won the Vezina was ridiculous?

What goalies would you compare him to?

Well gee, let's see. Howard had a much better body of work and received a longer term but lower cap hit deal. Schneider's downside was that he was never a starter, but he had a more consistent career.

Low to mid 4's was more appropriate; especially with a strike-shortened Vezina and no positive (and limited) post-season experience. His limited post-season experience was infinitely worse than Howard's and Schenider's and theirs aren't great.

 

[blahblah]

Actually, we do know. First, if we hadn't kept Bob we didn't have someone in the system who could start so we'd have had to acquire someone.

So if we "went in another direction" we'd have traded or signed another goalie. Here are the names of some goalies on the market recently: Bryz, Halak, Scrivens, Tim Thomas, Dan Ellis, Emery, Luongo, Bishop, Neuvirth, Backstrom, Vokoun, Dubnyk...and Ryan Miller (1st round cost to rent) and Cory Schneider (1st round cost) who were probably the best of the available.

You think these guys would have better options to build our team around than a 24 year old RFA Sergei Bobrovsky coming off a great season? Think we make the playoffs with one of these other guys?

"Building our team around" wasn't the question now was it? It's hard to debate with someone who constantly changes the context and narrative. You try and cherry pick what fits your agenda. Your man-crushes and your hatred of players make it impossible for you to look rationally at a situation.

Good luck in your postings, but I see no value in us debating these things anymore.

Good luck and I turn you over to the tender mercies of the other posters.

Thanks,

 

[Columbus Mike]

I'm surprised it took more than 7 hours for a thread like this to appear after we clinch a playoff spot.

Some people aren't happy unless there is something to complain about.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

"Building our team around" wasn't the question now was it? It's hard to debate with someone who constantly changes the context and narrative. You try and cherry pick what fits your agenda. Your man-crushes and your hatred of players make it impossible for you to look rationally at a situation.

Good luck in your postings, but I see no value in us debating these things anymore.

Good luck and I turn you over to the tender mercies of the other posters.

Thanks,

Way to defend your stance. When you give someone a contract, yes, you do take into consideration more than just stats. Things like locker room attitude, work ethic, whether you envision them as a long term piece or someone you can build around, whether you view them as a short term stop gap, etc are all considered.

So it is well within context and not a change in narrative.

Not sure what my hatred of Tyutin has to do with anything, and I'm not sure what man-crush you are referring to.

 

[blahblah]

Now that I'm done with that mess, I'll give my answer this the poll (not the title).

He met my expectations. Inconsistent but brilliant when he is on a roll. I think he's the goalie of our future and I think he can be one of the elites. I think he can resolve his inconsistencies. I think he still needs to prove himself in the post season to even be considered for a bigger contract. My opinion, but if you want the elite dollars (top 2 or 3 as a goal tender) I think you need to preform in the post season.

I simply think he got over-payed this season and next. I think he's received a lot of press and hype over a 48 game season. Nothing else in his previous resume justified that money.

 

[Doug19]

Over a .920 SVP, he has met my expectation.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

Vezina or no Vezina, Bob's play, age, and contract is well within the lines of what the market is/was for young, up and coming goalies like Varlamov and Crawford.

After that season he had played himself out of the "former backup needing to prove himself" category of guys like Bernier.

On top of that, Bob is not making "elite dollars" which is what guys like Lundqvist and Rinne make. Cannot believe your posts and this thread haven't been deleted for obvious trolling.

 

[Nordique]

I'm surprised it took more than 7 hours for a thread like this to appear after we clinch a playoff spot.

Some people aren't happy unless there is something to complain about.

Nothing to complain about here. I think Bob has been a godsend...........BUT, he is also better than this season's numbers. I'd be lying if I said he met my expectations, because tbh I expected a Vezina contending season from him.

 

[Fireball23]

Yes - he has been worth it. (Not allowed to vote yet- Looks like a 45 day waiting period) And fit my expectations

He was shaky at first -- coming off the contract, Olympic quest, wanting to be the Vezina trophy goalie... I think he put up decent games and streaky. Well he's young but he's a battler and WANTS to be better. 2nd half is what we expected and should be going forward.

I'll take him ANY day over the others ahead of him

 

[theD86]

Bob has been good when the defense is good. It goes hand & hand.

 

[Crede777]

Well gee, let's see. Howard had a much better body of work and received a longer term but lower cap hit deal. Schneider's downside was that he was never a starter, but he had a more consistent career.

Low to mid 4's was more appropriate; especially with a strike-shortened Vezina and no positive (and limited) post-season experience. His limited post-season experience was infinitely worse than Howard's and Schenider's and theirs aren't great.

I can see where you are coming from but Howard and Schneider weren't receiving sizable offers from Russia. The mere presence of the KHL increases the demand on Bob and gives him negotiating leverage that NA or other Euro goalies don't have.

 

[blahblah]

Bob has been good when the defense is good. It goes hand & hand.

I'll be sure to save this the next time Bob has one of his off-games and has given up two or three softies. It's not as simple as this cause/effect post would indicate. Bob did a great job of costing us points early on. Luckily for us, later in the season he stole some point. We need more of the latter and a lot less of the former over the course of a season.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Vezina or no Vezina, Bob's play, age, and contract is well within the lines of what the market is/was for young, up and coming goalies like Varlamov and Crawford.

After that season he had played himself out of the "former backup needing to prove himself" category of guys like Bernier.

On top of that, Bob is not making "elite dollars" which is what guys like Lundqvist and Rinne make.

Completely agree with all your posts in this thread.

I am very happy with Bob. Sure, his numbers aren't where they were last year, but I don't think anybody expected him to repeat or top last years stats. Look, he's still having a good year, and I think he can get even better. His stats down the stretch are remarkable. There's no doubt he's worth the money to me, and he will demand another raise next year (or this summer) when they extend him again. There's very few other goalies in the league I'd rather have than Bob. I only wish he would improve his puck playing ability. He's worth every penny of his contract to me.

 

[Cyclones Rock]

The gd CBJ made the bleeping playoffs!!!!! Of course he was worth the money

He's tied in GAA with Lunquivst at 9th overall in the NHL (over 40 GP) at 2.39.

He's 6th in save percentage at .922 (40 GP min.) a smidge (.003) behind Carey Price who is being touted as a Vezina candidate.

Yeah, it's kind of mind-boggling what NHL players make, but given the market prices, Bob is more than earning his keep.

If he repeats his 2013-14 performance next season, JD and JK are going to be regretting not signing him longer term at the price he could have been locked into when he signed his 2 year deal.

 

[QTMcWhiskers]

He played pretty much how I expected.

If you thought Bob would play 60 games at the 2 GAA and .930 SV% clip that he did last year, I guess you could be disappointed, but I'm not; I'm realistic. His season this year was pretty much the same as last year - He was slow out of the gate, then turned it on down the stretch. If there's anything I'm disappointed about that has affected his numbers this year, it is the play of EVERYONE who has been on the ice in the last 3 minutes of the 3rd period when the game is tied or we have a one-goal lead. If you are simply looking at Bob's numbers this year vs. last year, and not on the actual play of him game in and game out, our late game collapses are part of the "ballooning" .39 GAA and -.1 SV% differences from last year.

He's playing fine. He has earned and deserved that contract. When Bob gets two shutouts in the first round of the playoffs, this thread will be locked.

 

[1857 Howitzer]

Did the title of this poll change or did I read it wrong? lol The options in the poll suck and should have just been Yes, no, IDK.

I answered "Bob has disappointed me this season", but now seeing the tile I would have answered yes he was been worth the money even if I was slightly disappointed in him this season (mostly how he started). If Bob had played to my expectations the Jackets would be a lock for the number 2 seed and not fighting for the 3, 7 8 seed. I fully expect him to be at the top of his game sooner next season and help the team pick up the early points they need to get a 1 or 2 seed.

 

[Wendy Clear]

Look, I'm as excited as the next guy about Bob.

 

[IBleedUnionBlue]

Some players exceeded my expectations (i.e. Johansen / Jenner).
Bob performed as I expected he would. He seemingly had a slow start, but he was really good most nights.

 

[General Jacket70]

Playoffs = worth it! I'd say that about anyone on the team right now. Come on people, lets enjoy the moment without squabbling about things we can't control.

Relatively, everyone here is going to reevaluate each player/contract by how they play in the playoffs as well as the regular season. . . so for me this discussion is an off-season one.

 

[blahblah]

I guess if you critique someone, listing both their positives and negatives, means you do not like them. At least that's all I can gather from your response.

This kind of reminds me of the Manny debates we had. I remember telling a great friend of mine on these boards that Manny wasn't very competitive. When I explained why, she got where I was coming from. About six months later, I said "Look this is what we were looking for from Manny. I think he's turned the corner". From that point on he was lights out his leaving was the biggest reason we flopped the following season, IMO. I went from a critic of Manny to his biggest fan. I love that guy. Why was I critical? Because he was falling short of his potential. He was accepting a lesser role. We needed more out of him. He owed it to the team and himself. Rick Nash is another player in this mold. He still isn't playing to his potential. He still leaves a lot out on the ice for long periods. If he was playing to his potential he could be consider the best power forward in this league and 40+ goals would be nothing. Doesn't mean I don't like him as a player.

This is very similar here. Bob has all the potential in the world. He doesn't have the consistency down to be really be considered an elite goal tender. What he has done in April has. His next big test in the playoffs. What he does have is the work ethic and it sure looks like he has the mental toughness. The tools are all there.

When (and I think it will happen) he gets there, I will trumpet it and be all behind giving him the contract that most around here thinks he deserves now.

I am very excited about what he has done this month and about 85% of the game since the Olympic break. I'm nervous about over-playing him this week and risking a bad outing through fatigue and maybe getting him out of his groove.

For this false impression out there that somehow I don't like him or that I don't think he will be a big part of our future or that I don't think he can be what the majority thinks he can be - those that have it are dead wrong. I, however, don't anoint anyone before they've earned it and I certainly don't follow hype.

His contract was too high, but I don't blame JK for that. His hands were tied. JK did the smart thing by not signing him to a longer term. I think we managed the situation as well as we could. However we could have used those extra cap dollars.

 

[IHeartZherdev*]

His contract was too high, but I don't blame JK for that. His hands were tied. JK did the smart thing by not signing him to a longer term. I think we managed the situation as well as we could. However we could have used those extra cap dollars.

seriously how are we going to resign Comeau and D Mac with Bob taking up such a HUGE percentage of the cap!