Value of: Hanzal to MTL? (Deadline)

[Heldig]

He's not anymore.

Not worth a 1st lmao

He will be to some teams.

 

[Benstheman]

Scherbak might be on the line here.

But no way McCarron nor Juulsen are involved.

Mtl also piled up 2nd rounders for next two deadlines.

I could see Scherbak + 2nd rounder going for Hanzal.

 

[ck26]

Martin Hanzal: worth about, maybe, a 2nd rounder

I love HF.

None of these people have watched a Coyotes game not involving their team since 2012. Opinions outside of the Pacific Division (i.e.: people who actually see Hanzal a half-dozen times a year) are 98% useless.

I could see Scherbak + 2nd rounder going for Hanzal.

That won't be the high bid.

1st + Sherbak or 2 2nds + Sherbak would be my offer.

That's better but it's still probably not the high bid. A first is good but Scherbak is another left shot winger so he isn't the ideal prospect we need.

Hanzal is too much of a risk because of his injuries.

I love this one. Same as the "Vermette is too old" before the deadline two years ago and the "Doan is too old" before the deadline last year.

You're talking about renting Martin Hanzal for a playoff push, not marrying yourself to him for 6 years. What do you care about his long-term injury future? You're cashing in less valuable assets (futures) to pour additional value into your team for a high leverage moment: this year's playoffs. Two years ago, CHI cashed in Nick Merkley's value, spread out over most of the next decade, in exchange for 2 months of Antoine Vermette right now. CHI didn't care about Vermette's long-term future.

If you knew for 100% certain that Martin Hanzal was planning to retire from hockey in summer 2017, that would not change the fact that he will be on your team for the 2017 playoffs and thus would not significantly affect his value as a rental.

 

[Dominator13]

We don't need Hanzal. We need to promote McCarron.

 

[Benstheman]

We don't need Hanzal. We need to promote McCarron.

McCarron will never be the player Hanzal is.

 

[MXD]

At the deadline? Sure we'll let you dump DD on us. We'll even retain 50% on Hanzal at that point. Why not?

DD is mostly for contract switching purposes and his contract is up on July 1st. On the flipside, that means he can't be considered and eligible player for the Expansion Draft.

 

[hockeyheadlines]

McCarron will never be the player Hanzal is.

You're right. He'll be better.

Hanzal for a second at best. I'd move on if Coyotes expect more. We played against them last night and I was not impressed by the guy. McCarron will do just as well without the cap hit.

 

[hbk]

Paul Gaustad went for a first. Vermette went for a first. There's a market for 6'5" C's and there is a market for two way C's. If you expect a discount sale at the deadline you really haven't been paying attention to the draft or the market prices.

 

[WrinkledPossum]

Hanzal also has more value than Ladd who returned 1st and Dano.

I don't think anyone here other than the Coyotes fans really know his game and what he's actually worth.

 

[ManofSteel55]

You're right. He'll be better.

Hanzal for a second at best. I'd move on if Coyotes expect more. We played against them last night and I was not impressed by the guy. McCarron will do just as well without the cap hit.

So one game tells you his value? Right.

McCarron hopes to become the type of player Hanzal is. If he didn't play in Arizona, this guy would be getting Selke nominations every year. And he puts up points while doing it on a team that traditionally has a hard time getting points.

 

[EveryDay]

Hanzal best seasons are 40 and 41 points while getting first line minutes + PP time.

MTL would be interested but no for more then a late first our a prospect like Scherbak/Hudon/DLR. Arizona is not getting MTL top3 prospects(Sergachev/McCarron/Juulsen) for a player like Hanzal.

 

[Aspirine]

I'd do Scherbak + DD + 3rd for Hanzal

 

[XX]

Hanzal best seasons are 40 and 41 points while getting first line minutes + PP time.

You forgot the two way play, the size, and the fact that he has consistently been one of the best FO guys in the league. But he's worth a 2nd rounder, ok.

Nobody seems to watch the Pacific

 

[Vatican Roulette]

As a Wings fan, I see a lot of underrating of Hanzel.

He's a top shutdown guy playing as Arizona's top center. His points will be down because of that, it's not his strength.

Slot him as your #3? Match-up problems for the other teams. Allows your top centers more room offensively when you put him on the ice against other teams top centers.

 

[Mike Hasselhoffman]

Paul Gaustad went for a first. Vermette went for a first. There's a market for 6'5" C's and there is a market for two way C's. If you expect a discount sale at the deadline you really haven't been paying attention to the draft or the market prices.

As much as I hate to say it, this.

Hanzal is huge, solid defensively, and contributes offensively. Even as a rental, he won't be cheap.

I'd imagine it would take something like 2017 1st + former 1st/2nd round pick prospect with good potential to get Arizona to bite.

 

[TT1]

Hoping we trade for him so we can put Plekanec as our 3C. I don't expect to resign him in the offseason or anything, just want him for our playoff run (if we get in).

Hanzal will easily fetch a 1st, probably 1st + B prospect.

 

[Choralone]

Hanzal is still a beast - as a fan of a division rival I can confirm.

(I'm also on record as saying - and will confirm again - that I've always coveted Hanzal on the Kings. Alas, it is not to be.)

 

[The Great Weal]

What else do we have to add to 1st+DD

 

[biturbo19]

Hanzal will return a 1st plus. Weaker draft coupled with his size/skill combo I suspect there would be a bidding war. Starting point is the Vermette return from 2 deadlines ago.

Yeah. Hanzal is exactly the sort of player teams drool over adding at the deadline. When healthy, he's a monster...and a wee bit dirty too, which as a package, tends to really take a toll on an opponent over time. He's also a reliable 200 ft player, and a guy who can play in the hard areas where a lot of playoff scoring tends to happen. Assuming he becomes available at the deadline...there will be multiple serious suitors and a bidding war. And with a bidding war comes a 1st round pick and probably a nice plus as well, or a comparable significant value prospect.


Especially if the Coyotes are taking back a cap dump to offset salary cap stuff.

 

[Benstheman]

You're right. He'll be better.

Hanzal for a second at best. I'd move on if Coyotes expect more. We played against them last night and I was not impressed by the guy. McCarron will do just as well without the cap hit.

Take off your glasses.

Hanzal is a pretty good top 6 center.

McCarron will never be more than an effective 3rd line center with grit.

 

[Benstheman]

I'd do Scherbak + DD + 3rd for Hanzal

No need to dump DD at that point. We will have enough space to make Hanzal fits. If we include DD in the package, we will have to pay with with a better pick.

I would say Scherbak and Habs 2017 2nd pick, that would become a first if we do make it to the eastern conference finals.

 

[Benstheman]

As much as I hate to say it, this.

Hanzal is huge, solid defensively, and contributes offensively. Even as a rental, he won't be cheap.

I'd imagine it would take something like 2017 1st + former 1st/2nd round pick prospect with good potential to get Arizona to bite.

Agreed.

 

[Benstheman]

Hoping we trade for him so we can put Plekanec as our 3C. I don't expect to resign him in the offseason or anything, just want him for our playoff run (if we get in).

Hanzal will easily fetch a 1st, probably 1st + B prospect.

Almost 100% agree. Although, i would resign him during the summer. You then ride Chucky, Hanzal and Plekanec as your 3 first centers for one year and permit you to finally dump Plekanec after his horrible contract.

Chucky, Hanzal, Plekanec, Danault in 2017-2018

Chucky, Hanzal, McCarron, Danault in 2018-2019

 

[BatVader]

Hanzal?
Martin Hanzal?
The 29 yr old who hasn't played a full season in 6 yrs?
The guy who only broke 40pts twice in his 9yr NHL career?
That Martin Hanzal?

Pass

 

[RC51]

sell your used car to someone else, I know I know Hanzel is great and was only driven by an old lady from upper Vermont and parked the car every winter as she went to Florida. I don't want your used car.