Sportsnet: Hanifin drawing attention
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Maybe but if Freidman says he is he probably is.
Freidman is among the most connected in the sport.
Friedman isn't saying that Hanifin is available - he said that teams are asking about Hanifin. That's the difference.
If Hanifin wants to stay in Calgary then the Flames will sign him imo. Ryan Leslie is pretty connected on the player side and hasn’t tried to break anything he wasn’t sure of.
If Lindholm goes maybe Hanifin’s mind changes though
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Flames are in a tough spot here.
The team is viewed by ownership/management as competitive; they go in year-to-year cycles of being bad and being good.
Hanifin is a really good defender. It was said earlier in this thread, he's not flashy, and he certainly isn't an offensive dynamo; but he's about as solid of a top 4 defender as you could want in the NHL. Rarely misses time, plays a solid game, good defender, lots of quality minutes and smart plays. He lugs a ton of icetime. For a 'competitive' team, this is a player you want in your top 4.
The tough spot is that without Hanifin, that defence doesn't look great. Means a lot more minutes for Kylington and Zadorov; one of which just missed the entire season due to personal reasons and the other that has had the most up-and-down defending career in Calgary in recent memory.
A high pick probably makes this easy for Calgary, really no interest in long term contracts or going forward-for-defence unless the forward is cost controlled and younger.
The team is viewed by ownership/management as competitive; they go in year-to-year cycles of being bad and being good.
Hanifin is a really good defender. It was said earlier in this thread, he's not flashy, and he certainly isn't an offensive dynamo; but he's about as solid of a top 4 defender as you could want in the NHL. Rarely misses time, plays a solid game, good defender, lots of quality minutes and smart plays. He lugs a ton of icetime. For a 'competitive' team, this is a player you want in your top 4.
The tough spot is that without Hanifin, that defence doesn't look great. Means a lot more minutes for Kylington and Zadorov; one of which just missed the entire season due to personal reasons and the other that has had the most up-and-down defending career in Calgary in recent memory.
A high pick probably makes this easy for Calgary, really no interest in long term contracts or going forward-for-defence unless the forward is cost controlled and younger.
Eh Hanifin is only 26. I’d be fine if they locked him up long term. Kadri’s contract makes everything tough
He is an above average #2. I wouldn't say he's a disappointment at all?
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Conroy is doing the right thing here and apparently what many GMs out there are afraid to do and that's set a frikkin' internal deadline to get these guys signed OR you get the best package you can in a trade.
If Hanifin says "he loves playing in Calgary" then he should be happy to sign a contract extension this summer. It's not like he's going to love playing in Calgary MORE next year at this time.
Exactly. Like what’s going to change in the next 8 months that determines if you want to sign somewhere for 6-8 years
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There is never enough #1s in the NHL in a season for each team to have one.
Guy is a #2 and there's also I hate to break it you some teams still with no #2
Ok so I’ll put this to bed for all the confused fans coming in here wondering why absolutely nobody can decide on how good Hanifin is. Hanifin absolutely fails all 3 litmus tests the average local fan or the “I catch the odd game of that specific team” fan has for identifying talent. His point totals are never too high, he doesn’t make any plays that make you say ‘wow’, and you won’t hear the announcer say his name much. This causes all the “I never get impressed by him when I watch Calgary”, “his skating isn’t that good”, and the “he’s useless offensively” takes you’re seeing here.
Then on the flip side, you get his analytics. Over the last 3 years at 5v5 (min 2000 minutes), he is 19th in CF/60, 34th in CA/60, 17th in Corsi, 32nd in GF/60, 18th in xGF/60, 38th in xGA/60, 12th in xGF%. Most of those numbers go up if you just use the last two years. Even just using his counting stats, this year he was top 30 in 5v5 scoring for defenseman, last year he was top 20. TOI he was even 37th this year. All those numbers point to mid to high end #2 defenseman.
Reality is he is probably a good enough #2 with no standout skill but who just does everything great. Doesn’t skate with the puck much, but makes great outlet passes and is fantastic at finding soft spots in the O-zone to become a passing option. Not a great PP option because of his lack of shot, but his 2 way abilities make him an excellent even strength and PK Player.
Then on the flip side, you get his analytics. Over the last 3 years at 5v5 (min 2000 minutes), he is 19th in CF/60, 34th in CA/60, 17th in Corsi, 32nd in GF/60, 18th in xGF/60, 38th in xGA/60, 12th in xGF%. Most of those numbers go up if you just use the last two years. Even just using his counting stats, this year he was top 30 in 5v5 scoring for defenseman, last year he was top 20. TOI he was even 37th this year. All those numbers point to mid to high end #2 defenseman.
Reality is he is probably a good enough #2 with no standout skill but who just does everything great. Doesn’t skate with the puck much, but makes great outlet passes and is fantastic at finding soft spots in the O-zone to become a passing option. Not a great PP option because of his lack of shot, but his 2 way abilities make him an excellent even strength and PK Player.
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For a guy like Hanafin, probably not much.
I can buy a guy coming off a bad year might want to up his value AND stay, but that's not Hanafin.
None of our UFAs are guys that will have a huge change in value
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Canucks wouldntrade their #3 Myers or OEL for your #3 Hanifin. Seems like a fair trade
We will as long as Myers and or OEL goes the other way. You know Flames love Canucks sloppy 2nds so that would be possible lol
Ledge And Dairy
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They should be looking at EK65 if they want a PP1 guy, not Hanifin. Hanifin is a much more in line with Pelech in playstyle.
Friedman never reported Hanifin is being shopped. He said teams are very interested in Hanifin and were asking about him
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I think it's also worth noting that over the last 2 years he ranks 27th in 5v5 scoring by defensemen with 1.15 points/60. That's only .04 behind Quinn Hughes at 21st. He also sits ahead of Letang, teammates Weegar and Andersson, Slavin, Pietrangelo, Heiskanen, Krug, Nurse, Klingberg, Jones, Seider, Doughty, Chabot, and many many more names
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EK65 is terrible and they do not need that. Hanifin is a better option, even down to their philosophy on defensemen. i'm serious.
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Lol you live on the moon the last 8 months?
Osakahaus
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Erik Karlsson is not an ISLANDERS defenseman. Hanifin is. I understand they need a PPQB defenseman, but Karlsson isn't the guy for them.
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Let me get this straight. Noah Dobson currently plays on average over 20 minutes a night for New York and he is an "Islanders defenseman" but Erik Karlsson can't be? Is it the 4 inches in height or the 4lbs difference? Because it's certainly not the playstyle
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You're really not even close to why I don't like Karlsson but go on about those power play points
He's already on an insane contract, and the islanders lack anything to trade for him. Hanifin is a better fit.
Ledge And Dairy
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Just because Karlsson's dog shit on your lawn does not mean he is a bad fit for NYI by any means.
Also FYI he leads the league in 5v5 points by defensemen over the last 3 years with 95. Josi is 2nd with 92 but has played 10 more games. Karlsson is not a powerplay specialist like you are implying, he only had 27 powerplay points this year.
I'm willing to bet San Jose would retain about 2M and take on Bailey to make a deal work
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