Getting the vaccination doesn't affect another person being immunocompromised. The covid vaccine is not a live virus.so you know my personal life? Glad that you know my niece has an immunodeficiency but sure
Getting the vaccination doesn't affect another person being immunocompromised. The covid vaccine is not a live virus.so you know my personal life? Glad that you know my niece has an immunodeficiency but sure
I would argue that many thought the vaccines would do a better job than they have. It was reported this morning on the CBC that 1 in 5 deaths in Canada right now are vaccinated. No one is saying that COVID would vanish, please don't put words in my mouth. I was saying that he probably was hopeful that things would start to improve as many (if not almost everyone) got vaccinated. The thing is, they haven't...? No most sane people didn’t think this major pandemic that’s killed so many would just vanish? He thought things would get better while not being vaxxed? I’m going off my conclusions (for him not being backed) from what’s been given from the Canucks. Why not state he’s vaxxed if he is? This has been in the media for weeks now?
I started off by saying "If I had to make a guess..." That is pretty damn clear that I'm speculating, if you ask anyone.I’d love your source on that? Or just speculation?
The only players on LTIR are Ferland, Sutter, and Keeper. Sutter is the only one who might come off.
Sadly all the bonuses are rolling to next year.
Please, go on.so you know my personal life? Glad that you know my niece has an immunodeficiency but sure
If I had to make a guess, it would be that he acknowledges, as we all should, that vaccinated or not you can still catch and spread the virus. He is certainly vaccinated, due to his daughters precarious situation. However, knowing full well that a year of travel in crowded places, and in US cities where many are not vaccinated, he has a high likelihood of catching and transmitting the virus to his precious daughter he has decided not to play. I'm sure he wants to play, but it's not worth the risk, and he doesn't need the cash.
1 in 5 dying are vaccinated? Would absolutely need to see the data on that because it would be an incredible outlier.I would argue that many thought the vaccines would do a better job than they have. It was reported this morning on the CBC that 1 in 5 deaths in Canada right now are vaccinated. No one is saying that COVID would vanish, please don't put words in my mouth. I was saying that he probably was hopeful that things would start to improve as many (if not almost everyone) got vaccinated. The thing is, they haven't...
As to why he's stayed silent... I know I don't like talking about my personal health, or vaccination status to others, let alone telling the whole world. Perhaps he is a private man who's doing his best to care for his family, and their privacy.
I think it's likely that they're just busy doing other hockey related matters (insert GMJB joke here). I'm glad they're not giving in to the witch hunt. I personally find the witch hunt appalling, if not down right disgusting. One thing is for certain, Travis Hamonic and his $30,000,000 life time earnings, doesn't give a flying f*** about what a bunch of virtue-signaling, fan-boys care about when it comes to him and his family.This is the most logical assumption, but also if this were the case there would be little reason for the Canucks not to be clear that his vaccination status is not the issue. Whatever Hamonic's personal issue is should remain private, but when almost 28 million Canadians are vaccinated and a lot of places are implementing vaccine passports there's no reason to be secretive about having it.
Canucks management tends to bungle these situations though, like last seasons team Covid outbreak. So if the above is the case I wouldn't put it past them to let this point needlessly fester.
1 in 5 dying are vaccinated? Would absolutely need to see the data on that because it would be an incredible outlier.
Yeah, extremely small sample size. But, it also hammers home the idea that people not getting vaccinated are not just making health decisions that affect only them.My apologies, it was in New Brunswick, not Canada... https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/most-deaths-are-unvaccinated-1.6212234
suspended without pay should not affect/reduce the cap implications, else, every team can just look for a reason to 'suspend without pay' any player they want to get off the books. ...and the easiest is insubordination which near impossible to prove they they were not insubordinate.
i.e. player gets benched and says he wants to play, technically, you can call that insubordination and it can also negatively impact team moral, and you can use that as an excuse, find a tweet they made 10 years ago that goes against a team standard etc etc
Maybe I missed that wanna link it? He knew travelling would be a prerequisite for his profession. If he knew it wasn’t going away and cared so much for his family why would he still risk travel?I would argue that many thought the vaccines would do a better job than they have. It was reported this morning on the CBC that 1 in 5 deaths in Canada right now are vaccinated. No one is saying that COVID would vanish, please don't put words in my mouth. I was saying that he probably was hopeful that things would start to improve as many (if not almost everyone) got vaccinated. The thing is, they haven't...
As to why he's stayed silent... I know I don't like talking about my personal health, or vaccination status to others, let alone telling the whole world. Perhaps he is a private man who's doing his best to care for his family, and their privacy.
I already posted the link. Look up. I have no idea what you're talking about when you say, "people like you." I'm not making up any excuses for anything. You've shown repeatedly that you have reading comprehension problems, perhaps that is the issue. One thing is crystal clear. Hamonic was not on the NHL's list of unvaccinated players, and there has never been a source or proof that he is not vaccinated. I like to look for the best in people, and assume he is hesitant to play because it may put his daughter at risk. I'm not sure how that is making up an excuse. I imagine you don't have children, and can't comprehend the worry and fear that he may have. This is clearly a complicated and difficult situation for his family, and I'm not ready to burn him at the stake for not disclosing his family's personal situation.Maybe I missed that wanna link it? He knew travelling would be a prerequisite for his profession. If he knew it wasn’t going away and cared so much for his family why would he still risk travel?
( off topic but you brought it up, things aren’t getting better as fast as they should cause of people thinking they know better and not taking vaccines, and people like you running to make up any excuse to undermine the people with the facts)
The caveat for that list was that it was players "currently in the NHL", which hamonic was not. I really, really hope it isn't a case of choosing not to be vaccinated. But, even so, it's a very strange situation where he signed a contract and then decided he didn't want to play. That isn't great.I already posted the link. Look up. I have no idea what you're talking about when you say, "people like you." I'm not making up any excuses for anything. You've shown repeatedly that you have reading comprehension problems, perhaps that is the issue. One thing is crystal clear. Hamonic was not on the NHL's list of unvaccinated players, and there has never been a source or proof that he is not vaccinated. I like to look for the best in people, and assume he is hesitant to play because it may put his daughter at risk. I'm not sure how that is making up an excuse. I imagine you don't have children, and can't comprehend the worry and fear that he may have. This is clearly a complicated and difficult situation for his family, and I'm not ready to burn him at the stake for not disclosing his family's personal situation.
Which as you stated was not a source for the statement you originally made, also while not editing your comment, is spreading false information. Hmmm what kinda people could I be talking about?I already posted the link. Look up. I have no idea what you're talking about when you say, "people like you." I'm not making up any excuses for anything. You've shown repeatedly that you have reading comprehension problems, perhaps that is the issue. One thing is crystal clear. Hamonic was not on the NHL's list of unvaccinated players, and there has never been a source or proof that he is not vaccinated. I like to look for the best in people, and assume he is hesitant to play because it may put his daughter at risk. I'm not sure how that is making up an excuse. I imagine you don't have children, and can't comprehend the worry and fear that he may have. This is clearly a complicated and difficult situation for his family, and I'm not ready to burn him at the stake for not disclosing his family's personal situation.
Another poster stated the reasons for that… hmm another excuse… when people have to reply with personal attacks like you are to try to strengthen their own aruments is very telling.I already posted the link. Look up. I have no idea what you're talking about when you say, "people like you." I'm not making up any excuses for anything. You've shown repeatedly that you have reading comprehension problems, perhaps that is the issue. One thing is crystal clear. Hamonic was not on the NHL's list of unvaccinated players, and there has never been a source or proof that he is not vaccinated. I like to look for the best in people, and assume he is hesitant to play because it may put his daughter at risk. I'm not sure how that is making up an excuse. I imagine you don't have children, and can't comprehend the worry and fear that he may have. This is clearly a complicated and difficult situation for his family, and I'm not ready to burn him at the stake for not disclosing his family's personal situation.
You gonna force him to get the flu shot as well? Yes I understand one is more dangerous than the other, but the idea is the same as in neither shot prevents catching or transmitting the illness.
Thanks once again for talking down to people since you are so high and mighty. I understand quite well that a consequence of not doing what an employer requests can result in termination. I've worked in the legal field long enough to know, but I appreciate your sage wisdom. I find the idea of forcing something upon someone that involves anything involving their health and well-being to Orwellian in scope. He deserves the right to refuse it and it's asinine to suggest otherwise or that he, or anyone, should lose their livelihood over a decision about their personal health.
Had this been a true vaccine where it was proven to completely eliminate coming down with Covid or spreading it, then I'd see the mandate having more teeth as in stopping a health crisis for the greater good. Despite that I would never support it being mandated. An adult can decide for themselves. I'm only saying had it been a true vaccine in the sense of the polio vaccine, I could see why people were in favor.
Then why did he sign the contract? Did he sign it in bad faith?I feel like it's kinda obvious what's going on here:
1. Hamonic has an immunocompromised daughter that is too young to get the COVID-19 vaccine
2. His daughter was hospitalized at 8 months old in 2019 due to a respiratory illness, which is why he opted out of the bubble in 2020
3. Vancouver had a nasty outbreak of COVID-19 last season, where 21 of 25 players caught COVID including Hamonic
4. Vaccines aren't 100% effective, so there is still the risk of Hamonic catching COVID and giving it to his daughter
I feel like it's fairly obvious: he's terrified of his daughter getting COVID-19 and doesn't think the risk of him playing is worth it. I imagine the outbreak last season was a real wake up call for him, where he basically decided playing during the pandemic isn't worth the risk even with vaccines.