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Hall Of Fame: What About Paul Reinhart?

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Reinhart is 6th all-time in points-per-game in the regular season among D-men...

133 goals, 559 points in 648 games (.863 PPG)


And 4th all-time in points-per-game in the playoffs among D-men...

23 goals, 77 points in 83 games (.928 PPG)




He was plagued by back injuries during his career and was forced to retire after the 1990 season at the age of 31

The Hall of Fame has inducted players who have had excellent, albeit shortened careers...

So should Reinhart have been inducted?
 
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Was Reinhart ever considered that good in his own end? I remember him being more of a 4th forward/PP QB than a defensive stalwart. I also seem to recall he played some forward as well. Only once did he ever get any votes for the Norris, a distant 7th in '83. Seems like Housley w/out the longevity. OK, maybe not that bad defensively. I'm gonna say no, he doesn't belong.
 
No chance. Randy Carlyle is a guy you could say deserves it more than him, and Carlyle shouldn't ever get in. Reinhart did make the roster of the 1981 Canada Cup for what it's worth. I think he should hope that one of his sons makes it, because he shouldn't.
 
Stats Stats-I guess since Paul has better numbers then Serge Savard or If I told you Larry Robinson never had a 20 goal season or even a 90 pts season would people think less of him-possibly the people who never saw both play.As for Paul-he was a real good player but not Hall of Fame
 
Points-per-game numbers are very misleading. Reinhart retired early, therefore his career PPG numbers didn't have the decline that happens with all players who play for several seasons in their 30s. And that's before considering that the years he did play just happened to coincide with the highest-scoring era of the past 60 years.

Even if we were limiting the debate to just 80s defencemen, I'd rate McCrimmon, Housely, Wilson, Carlyle, Ramage, Lowe, Morrow, Ramsey and Beck ahead of Reinhart. And none of those guys are slam-dunk Hall of Fame candidates.
 
reckoning said:
Points-per-game numbers are very misleading. Reinhart retired early, therefore his career PPG numbers didn't have the decline that happens with all players who play for several seasons in their 30s. And that's before considering that the years he did play just happened to coincide with the highest-scoring era of the past 60 years.

Even if we were limiting the debate to just 80s defencemen, I'd rate McCrimmon, Housely, Wilson, Carlyle, Ramage, Lowe, Morrow, Ramsey and Beck ahead of Reinhart. And none of those guys are slam-dunk Hall of Fame candidates.
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Both?
 
During his final stint with the Canuck he was great, offensively and defensively. Possibly the best defenseman the team has ever had. Sadly, he only played about 2/3 of the team's games over that stretch.

Did he the skill have been an HOF'er? Yes. Should he be in the HHOF. No, he was too brittle to make enough of a lasting impact.
 
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reckoning said:
Points-per-game numbers are very misleading. Reinhart retired early, therefore his career PPG numbers didn't have the decline that happens with all players who play for several seasons in their 30s. And that's before considering that the years he did play just happened to coincide with the highest-scoring era of the past 60 years.

Even if we were limiting the debate to just 80s defencemen, I'd rate McCrimmon, Housely, Wilson, Carlyle, Ramage, Lowe, Morrow, Ramsey and Beck ahead of Reinhart. And none of those guys are slam-dunk Hall of Fame candidates.
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Reinhart also played a lot of center, which boosted his points and goals totals. It's all over his scouting reports througout the 80s.

Let's limit the HHOF talk to defensemen who were actually legitimately in the all-star team conversation at least once, mmkay?
 
Copmuters said:
You value Norris voting above actual production?


The guy had 77 points in 83 playoff games
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Norris voting self-normalizes for era. Raw "production" doesn't.

If Reinhart produced as much as you'd have us believe, then why didn't the voters of the era feel that way?
 
Copmuters said:
You value Norris voting above actual production?


The guy had 77 points in 83 playoff games
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Yeah, well, the only thing he did of any note besides struggle to get close to 650 games played over 11 seasons is get traded for a 3rd round pick just in time to avoid getting a Cup ring with the Flames. Talented player who couldn't stay in the lineup enough to put together a career that comes anywhere close to HoF consideration.
 
Copmuters said:
You value Norris voting above actual production?


The guy had 77 points in 83 playoff games
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It's not always about the numbers my friend. The 80's scoring was the highest in history remember, so the numbers are a bit skewed compared to some of the lower scoring eras in history.
 
Copmuters said:
You value Norris voting above actual production?


The guy had 77 points in 83 playoff games
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well, for one thing, Norris voting actually captures (or at least it used to capture) overall value, while production only captures talent and offensive opportunity (and don't ignore opportunity, because he played a lot of center and was also double shifted on the PP some seasons).
 
Copmuters said:
You value Norris voting above actual production?


The guy had 77 points in 83 playoff games
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Not a bad point. Reinhart always missed games - sometimes a lot of games - in the regular season, so he didn't really have a chance at the single-season voting awards. But he always showed up and played well in the playoffs.

Even so, he only played 648 regular season games. Reinhart was an excellent offensive defenceman and PPQB, but never one of the best defencemen in the game. Guys like that need Larry Murphy-type longevity to have a shot at the HHOF.
 
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overpass said:
Not a bad point. Reinhart always missed games - sometimes a lot of games - in the regular season, so he didn't really have a chance at the single-season voting awards. But he always showed up and played well in the playoffs.

Even so, he only played 648 regular season games. Reinhart was an excellent offensive defenceman and PPQB, but never on of the best defencemen in the game. Guys like that need Larry Murphy-type longevity to have a shot at the HHOF.
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Yes, end of season awards voting are bad for players who missed a lot of games.

That said, Reinhart's Norris record is worse than any defenseman of the Norris era enshrined in the HHOF, clearly worse than Leo Boivin, whose record is the worst of any HHOF defenseman by a fair clip. Despite being an offensive defenseman playing in an era when the voters tended to favor that type (although not as much as they later would).
 
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