What is the solution to balancing the salary cap with no tax states?

[nbwingsfan]

Sweet Jesus. That’s irrelevant to this specific issue. The NHL is under no obligation to cap or “equalize” anything. Salaries. Housing costs. Endorsements. Media. Those are all outside of the players cba. Salaries aren’t.

They chose to cap salaries. And they chose to enforce parity by making the cap equal despite unequal revenues and desire. Arizona was taking in dead cap to meet the floor. It’s madness

Once you choose to make parity in a situation you have to make it fair.

Whether or not they choose to make other things fair is irrelevant to this issue.

your argument is for no salary cap at all. If they can’t cap endorsements or taxes or cost of living. Then I guess they can’t cap salaries either right?

One issue does not have to make up for another issue. Vancouver players don’t get to take steroids to make up for the fact they don’t have a practice rink or worse gym equipment.

If you impose parity in one issue Make it fair

Also in that article. Marty Walsh openly acknowledged the “tax issue”. And the difficulty in solving it. He does NOT say it’s not an issue. He acknowledged it. The head of the players union knows it’s an issue.

One day you can tell them better. .

I understand you’re very upset the Leafs suck and have disappointed you at every turn. I can promise you that it’s not because Florida gets a slight advantage due to taxes

It’ll all be okay.

 

[Legion34]

I understand you’re very upset the Leafs suck and have disappointed you at every turn. I can promise you that it’s not because Florida gets a slight advantage due to taxes

It’ll all be okay.

Sharks GM Grier Would Favor An NHL Tax Equalization Plan, But Would It Be Easy?

The issue of taxes on NHL players is important, and Sharks GM Mike Grier has come out to say he'd hypothetically support a tax equalization plan. But will it happen?

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Which one of these people works for the leafs?

When will you post your clear proof it’s not an advantage?

It’s clear from that statement you know you are wrong. I guess when the NHLPA head admits it’s an issue. That’s kind of it right?

 

[Legion34]

The solution is to stop complaining about it.

Yes. That was the solution 20 years ago. The small market fans should have supported the team and the owners should have stopped complaining about it

 

[PistolPete]

The solution is to stop complaining about it.

Morgan? Is it really you??

 

[PistolPete]

Sharks GM Grier Would Favor An NHL Tax Equalization Plan, But Would It Be Easy?

The issue of taxes on NHL players is important, and Sharks GM Mike Grier has come out to say he'd hypothetically support a tax equalization plan. But will it happen?

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Which one of these people works for the leafs?

When will you post your clear proof it’s not an advantage?

It’s clear from that statement you know you are wrong. I guess when the NHLPA head admits it’s an issue. That’s kind of it right?

San Jose needs a tax equalization plan while the Warriors kick ass, the 49ers are contending, and the Giants are have bad a good run the past decade or so?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Sharks GM Grier Would Favor An NHL Tax Equalization Plan, But Would It Be Easy?

The issue of taxes on NHL players is important, and Sharks GM Mike Grier has come out to say he'd hypothetically support a tax equalization plan. But will it happen?

ca.sports.yahoo.com

Which one of these people works for the leafs?

When will you post your clear proof it’s not an advantage?

It’s clear from that statement you know you are wrong. I guess when the NHLPA head admits it’s an issue. That’s kind of it right?

It is a small advantage. No one has said otherwise. There are a million different advantages/disadvantages that differ from place to place and player to player. It is not the reason Florida is successful and your precious Leafs are embarrassing

 

[King'sPawn]

When will you post your clear proof it’s not an advantage?

Taxes are an advantage when players consider it. But you are acting like it's the only thing players care about.

Back when Lombardi was a GM for LA, he told me he couldn't sign free agents with families because of the public image/perception that LA wasn't safe. So he would have to "overpay" and go for college UFAs who may like the lifestyle too.

Sounds like other teams had a better advantage then, too. Do you care about other teams having intrinsic advantages? Or only when your team doesn't get to have one? Did it bother you when John Tavares wanted to play close to home?

When Florida, Tampa, and Dallas suck again, they'll have to overpay to lure free agents over. Unless the player doesn't care about winning. And if that's the case, why would you want someone who doesn't care about winning on your team?

 

[Legion34]

It is a small advantage. No one has said otherwise. There are a million different advantages/disadvantages that differ from place to place and player to player. It is not the reason Florida is successful and your precious Leafs are embarrassing

It’s is not a small advantage. It millions of dollars in income.

11 million dollar platers are signing for 9.

There are literal calculators.

There are millions of different advantages. But only one has consistently led to players signing for millions less and only one that has been artificially created by the league

 

[Legion34]

Taxes are an advantage when players consider it. But you are acting like it's the only thing players care about.

Back when Lombardi was a GM for LA, he told me he couldn't sign free agents with families because of the public image/perception that LA wasn't safe. So he would have to "overpay" and go for college UFAs who may like the lifestyle too.

Sounds like other teams had a better advantage then, too. Do you care about other teams having intrinsic advantages? Or only when your team doesn't get to have one? Did it bother you when John Tavares wanted to play close to home?

When Florida, Tampa, and Dallas suck again, they'll have to overpay to lure free agents over. Unless the player doesn't care about winning. And if that's the case, why would you want someone who doesn't care about winning on your team?

You think players don’t consider tax rates? They all have agents. The big agencies have clients in no state and high tax areas. They don’t bring it up?

It doesn’t bother me when JT comes home. It doesn’t bother me when fox wants to play in NY.

It doesn’t bother me when Matthew tkachuk wants nothing to do with Canada. That’s all fine.

I would too. I sure wouldn’t play here.

It bothers me that the NHL artificially created an advantage for some teams while hamstringing others.

I don’t care if high sticking is a rule. I care it gets called equally.

 

[King'sPawn]

You think players don’t consider tax rates? They all have agents. The big agencies have clients in no state and high tax areas. They don’t bring it up?

Taxes are an advantage when players consider it. But you are acting like it's the only thing players care about.

This is going to be too long of a conversation if you basically ignore everything after the first sentence. So I'm out. Go ahead and argue with someone else.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

Those have nothing to do with the current issue. I don’t “want fair”
The NHL chose to impose parity. They have to make that fair.

Make you thread about them. I would personally be fine with that but i don’t know what agents gms players and accountants think of office staff in salary caps

But if they did that. Then they would have to make that rule fair

Parity seems to me to only cover the situations where your team is at an disadvantage. The NHL chose to have cost certainty, and everything else was secondary. If the NHL truly prioritized parity they would have made all teams spend to the mid-point, and not given the ability to spend +\- 20%. In fact, if the NHL believed that large of a salary differential was OK, they probably are not concerned about a potential 2-7% difference (my guesstimate).

 

[ozzie]

Do any of the major sports do this that have salary caps? Is it much of an issue in the NBA, NFL or MLB? Obviously salaries are pretty insane.

Unlike most sports in the NHL a group of average well coached players can compete more often than not. Good systems and well built team.

People need ot stop using it as a crutch. Having said that if the next 6 finals have a Florida team, I might change my mind

Tampa benefited from the LITR rules, Florida is a well built team, both teams exceptoinally well built with depth. They pay the players well at key positions.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Do any of the major sports do this that have salary caps? Is it much of an issue in the NBA, NFL or MLB? Obviously salaries are pretty insane.

Not really, at least in the public discussion. Those sports have different mechanisms to keep players, though.

It was brought up how much money Doncic lost being traded from Dallas to Los Angeles, but more just as a passing factoid. Playing in the LA market will probably make up for much of it anyway.

 

[MessierII]

Do any of the major sports do this that have salary caps? Is it much of an issue in the NBA, NFL or MLB? Obviously salaries are pretty insane.

Unlike most sports in the NHL a group of average well coached players can compete more often than not. Good systems and well built team.

People need ot stop using it as a crutch. Having said that if the next 6 finals have a Florida team, I might change my mind

Tampa benefited from the LITR rules, Florida is a well built team, both teams exceptoinally well built with depth. They pay the players well at key positions.

NHL is the only league with both a hard cap and guaranteed contracts so every dollar kind of matters more.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

How so?

Really? DM me and I will explain it to you

 

[Space umpire]

You do realize barkov and tkachuk only have $1mm salaries each right? So the other 90% of their contract has ZEROOOOOO state or city tax as its paid in florida in a lump sum

And over 90% of Matthews pay is at Arizona’s state tax rate exempt from Toronto/Ontario taxes.

 

[nbwingsfan]

It’s is not a small advantage. It millions of dollars in income.

11 million dollar platers are signing for 9.

There are literal calculators.

There are millions of different advantages. But only one has consistently led to players signing for millions less and only one that has been artificially created by the league

spezza signed for basically league minimum to play for the leafs

Giordano signed for close to league minimum to play for the leafs

Tavares signed for like $2m less than he was offered from SJ to play for the Leafs

Boston had continuously got amazing contracts because of the culture they built.

Hossa took a massive risk on a one year contract to try and win with the Wings

I could go on and on.

There are a million reasons why a player signs for one team for any certain amount. Discounts happen all the time for a variety of reasons.

Again, the reason the Leafs are embarrassing isn’t because of taxes. Unless you think having less tax will suddenly make Matthews actually give a damn about winning

 

[Leonardo87]