Confirmed with Link: Hall & Foligno to Chicago

[CDJ]

He already acknowledged he was wrong. Facts are the guy is a jag in his D+5 year (where most of those draftees are 23, so he was wrong by 6-7 weeks).

Didn’t see that as I respond to notifications and don’t have all day to read through a thread, he didn’t edit his post, he doesn’t need a white knight for being demonstrably wrong on an unforced error!

Maybe he’s a JAG quad A guy, maybe he ends up a solid bottom pairing guy. He is still young! You don’t know!

 

[mar2kbos]

If they don't sign Bertuzzi they will have lost all their LW depth. You can talk about moving #74 to LW but that just depletes your RW depth. With #37\#46 retiring
(or just #46 but a very limited #37 due to his herniated disc) you will be fighting tooth and nail with Buffalo for the last PO spot.

Seriously look at Bertuzzi’s stats and stop looking at what he did when he came over to Boston for the short time. It’s like people claiming Smith was a top line winger because he has a few good weeks there and not look at anything else. That didn’t turn out particularly well did it.

He has wildly inconsistent stats and is not good defensively. He’s the shiny new coin that people are clamoring for. If this was a young team with cost controlled stars he is a good gamble for what he’ll cost. You overpay for him and he puts up another single digit goal scoring season he becomes untradable.

This team needs to hold onto their cap space even if that means taking a hit, which they already are, Bergeron and Krejci may retire. Marchand one year older coming off two hip surgeries. The Bruins are not in the greatest of spots. They still have RFAs they need to sign in Sway and Frederic. These guys will not sign for peanuts either. Both had good years.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

what did an ancient jagr cost again?

Good point.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

Seriously look at Bertuzzi’s stats and stop looking at what he did when he came over to Boston for the short time. It’s like people claiming Smith was a top line winger because he has a few good weeks there and not look at anything else. That didn’t turn out particularly well did it.

He has wildly inconsistent stats and is not good defensively. He’s the shiny new coin that people are clamoring for. If this was a young team with cost controlled stars he is a good gamble for what he’ll cost. You overpay for him and he puts up another single digit goal scoring season he becomes untradable.

This team needs to hold onto their cap space even if that means taking a hit, which they already are, Bergeron and Krejci may retire. Marchand one year older coming off two hip surgeries. The Bruins are not in the greatest of spots. They still have RFAs they need to sign in Sway and Frederic. These guys will not sign for peanuts either. Both had good years.

My point is they will be significantly degraded losing BOTH Hall and Bertuzzi. Add in #46 retiring and #37 best case no where near his elite level of play and they will probably miss the PO.

Bertuzzi broke both his hands last year, so his track record is closer to his production in 2021-22 than last year (say 26-28 goals). I'm in the camp of actually keeping Hall and letting Bertuzzi walk but that's not the reality now. Best thing now to compete for a PO spot is to replace Hall with Bertuzzi as at least you know he clicks with #88.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

Seriously look at Bertuzzi’s stats and stop looking at what he did when he came over to Boston for the short time. It’s like people claiming Smith was a top line winger because he has a few good weeks there and not look at anything else. That didn’t turn out particularly well did it.

He has wildly inconsistent stats and is not good defensively. He’s the shiny new coin that people are clamoring for. If this was a young team with cost controlled stars he is a good gamble for what he’ll cost. You overpay for him and he puts up another single digit goal scoring season he becomes untradable.

This team needs to hold onto their cap space even if that means taking a hit, which they already are, Bergeron and Krejci may retire. Marchand one year older coming off two hip surgeries. The Bruins are not in the greatest of spots. They still have RFAs they need to sign in Sway and Frederic. These guys will not sign for peanuts either. Both had good years.

Sounds like you would prefer the Bruins not sign Bertuzzi.

Would you prefer Hall over Bertuzzi if he were not already moved?

 

[KrejciMVP]

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My point is they will be significantly degraded losing BOTH Hall and Bertuzzi. Add in #46 retiring and #37 best case no where near his elite level of play and they will probably miss the PO.

Bertuzzi broke both his hands last year, so his track record is closer to his production in 2021-22 than last year (say 26-28 goals). I'm in the camp of actually keeping Hall and letting Bertuzzi walk but that's not the reality now. Best thing now to compete for a PO spot is to replace Hall with Bertuzzi as at least you know he clicks with #88.
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My point is they will be significantly degraded losing BOTH Hall and Bertuzzi. Add in #46 retiring and #37 best case no where near his elite level of play and they will probably miss the PO.

Bertuzzi broke both his hands last year, so his track record is closer to his production in 2021-22 than last year (say 26-28 goals). I'm in the camp of actually keeping Hall and letting Bertuzzi walk but that's not the reality now. Best thing now to compete for a PO spot is to replace Hall with Bertuzzi as at least you know he clicks with #88.

losing 4 top 6 forwards = lotto team depsite what some say. Not the worst case. draft a lotto center to play alongside Pasta for his contract

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

My point is they will be significantly degraded losing BOTH Hall and Bertuzzi. Add in #46 retiring and #37 best case no where near his elite level of play and they will probably miss the PO.

Bertuzzi broke both his hands last year, so his track record is closer to his production in 2021-22 than last year (say 26-28 goals). I'm in the camp of actually keeping Hall and letting Bertuzzi walk but that's not the reality now. Best thing now to compete for a PO spot is to replace Hall with Bertuzzi as at least you know he clicks with #88.

That's what happens when a team is significantly over the Cap.

That's the purpose of the Cap.

 

[mar2kbos]

Sounds like you would prefer the Bruins not sign Bertuzzi.

Would you prefer Hall over Bertuzzi if he were not already moved?

Neither I value the cap space, this team is on a downturn due to age, gathering cap space and draft picks is paramount. Once Bergeron, Krejci and Marchand are gone which closer than people want to believe they will probably need the cap space to gather a new number 1 center and possibly poach a young star from another cap strapped team.

I don’t care if they make the playoffs or not next season, I want to see cap space, hold onto draft picks, and see if any of our current cropped prospects can fill in holes.

 

[PatriceBergeron]

Seriously look at Bertuzzi’s stats and stop looking at what he did when he came over to Boston for the short time. It’s like people claiming Smith was a top line winger because he has a few good weeks there and not look at anything else. That didn’t turn out particularly well did it.

He has wildly inconsistent stats and is not good defensively. He’s the shiny new coin that people are clamoring for. If this was a young team with cost controlled stars he is a good gamble for what he’ll cost. You overpay for him and he puts up another single digit goal scoring season he becomes untradable.

This team needs to hold onto their cap space even if that means taking a hit, which they already are, Bergeron and Krejci may retire. Marchand one year older coming off two hip surgeries. The Bruins are not in the greatest of spots. They still have RFAs they need to sign in Sway and Frederic. These guys will not sign for peanuts either. Both had good years.

Exactly, the Bruins are putting way too much stock into a hot 10-15 games at the end of this season. Red Wings fans are laughing at whoever signs this guy to a big contract. Low hockey IQ and terrible defensively. He had a great powerplay vs. the Panthers this year, but we also got a taste of his terrible decision making and defense in that series too.

Sounds like you would prefer the Bruins not sign Bertuzzi.

Would you prefer Hall over Bertuzzi if he were not already moved?

Yep, easily. Now that the decision has been made I’d rather blow it up

 

[KillerMillerTime]

That's what happens when a team is significantly over the Cap.

That's the purpose of the Cap.

It depends on what your options are. They could have bought out Forbot and Reilly
and picked up $4M net.

Neither I value the cap space, this team is on a downturn due to age, gathering cap space and draft picks is paramount. Once Bergeron, Krejci and Marchand are gone which closer than people want to believe they will probably need the cap space to gather a new number 1 center and possibly poach a young star from another cap strapped team.

I don’t care if they make the playoffs or not next season, I want to see cap space, hold onto draft picks, and see if any of our current cropped prospects can fill in holes.

That's not what they will do.

 

[KrejciMVP]

It depends on what your options are. They could have bought out Forbot and Reilly
and picked up $4M net.


That's not what they will do.

sounds like a no brainer

 

[KillerMillerTime]

wo

sounds like a no brainer

I have to think they are guaranteed signing Bertuzzi so otherwise trading Hall for scraps is a terrible move.

 

[Over the volcano]

I have to think they are guaranteed signing Bertuzzi so otherwise trading Hall for scraps is a terrible move.

Hall for cap not scraps.

There's no space even now.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

That's what happens when a team is significantly over the Cap.

That's the purpose of the Cap.

We are going to find out shortly by what happens with Bertucci. Like Krejci just posted they could be down 4 top 7 forwards this summer. If that happens you would have been better off keeping Hall and getting a #1 for him come deadline. Tons of risk right now.

 

[PB37]

Seriously look at Bertuzzi’s stats and stop looking at what he did when he came over to Boston for the short time. It’s like people claiming Smith was a top line winger because he has a few good weeks there and not look at anything else. That didn’t turn out particularly well did it.

He has wildly inconsistent stats and is not good defensively. He’s the shiny new coin that people are clamoring for. If this was a young team with cost controlled stars he is a good gamble for what he’ll cost. You overpay for him and he puts up another single digit goal scoring season he becomes untradable.

This team needs to hold onto their cap space even if that means taking a hit, which they already are, Bergeron and Krejci may retire. Marchand one year older coming off two hip surgeries. The Bruins are not in the greatest of spots. They still have RFAs they need to sign in Sway and Frederic. These guys will not sign for peanuts either. Both had good years.

Bertuzzi has averaged 22 goals/54 points per 82 games in his career, which is roughly what a healthy Hall would have put up if with the Bruins again.

Both guys are a bit unlucky when it comes to health. Bert with his hands, Hall with his knees.

The difference to me is age and style. I think Bert has the style the Bruins need - a guy that likes to play inside and get in tight in the dirty areas. Halls zone entries will be missed but I'd rather have a 28 year old Bert with less than 400 games on his treads than Hall at 32 with over 800 games. Bruins are getting a similar point producing playmaking winger at most likely similar cap but with a style that better suits the team and younger.

Of course, if they don't resign Bertuzzi, the conversation becomes moot.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

They could have bought out Forbort and Reilly first and given themselves more space
right there. Why wasn't that done?

Hall for cap not scraps.

There's no space even now.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

They could have bought out Forbort and Reilly first and given themselves more space
right there. Why wasn't that done?

They can do it before Friday. Why did Reilly have to happen already? Perhaps he's using the time to see if he can include Reilly in a deal?

I would watch and see if Reilly (and I hope to God Forbort) is on waivers today.

 

[Concessionaire]

It's too bad. Hall was player I was most excited for when the Bruins were rollin' last season. Finally a real shot at winning a title! It would have been nice symmetry if both Taylor and Tyler won the Cup with Boston.

Personally, I don't think Bertuzzi signs here. This is probably his last chance to score a big payday, and DS won't be able to offer enough.

 

[Over the volcano]

They could have bought out Forbort and Reilly first and given themselves more space
right there. Why wasn't that done?

Maybe they will. They still need some

 

[Alicat]

They could have bought out Forbort and Reilly first and given themselves more space
right there. Why wasn't that done?

They have until the 30th to buy them out

 

[Concessionaire]

They could have bought out Forbort and Reilly first and given themselves more space
right there. Why wasn't that done?

It probably will be. Hall's $6m off the books is a good start, but the yard sale is just beginning...

 

[mar2kbos]

They could have bought out Forbort and Reilly first and given themselves more space
right there. Why wasn't that done?

They still have some RFAs to sign as well. They still need more cap space than just Hall. This is why I keep saying Bertuzzi puts them right back against the wall on cap space.

There are definitely more shoes to drop. No doubt

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Can you imagine they trade Hall and don’t re-sign Bertuzzi? Then what.

 

[Otherworld]

Thank you Hall and thank you Foligno.

 

[Alicat]

Can you imagine they trade Hall and don’t re-sign Bertuzzi? Then what.

This directly contradicts Dom who said yesterday that they had talked and it is about term not money.

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