Post-Game Talk: Habs Win 3 in a row! Shut down the Tank Thread!!

[Runner77]

It’s not because Laine does this game in and game out, that opponents will stop him.

 

[Habs Icing]

Thanks guys. I lost my Mom in September. So I've kinda been in a funk for the last couple of months. But I missed my Habs family. So I decided to come back. Sadly, you'll all see me much more in the new year.

Sorry, man. I feel for you.

I don't want to say anything but isn't it strange how Yo-Elle keeps racking up those points since Laine showed up.

I thought you didn't want to say anything. What happened?

 

[The Cannon of Tesoma]

Some people don't understand this.

If you want to compete:

• It's not because we have Hutson that Matheson should be traded for futures.
• It's not because we have Laine that Caufield lost value.
• It's not because we had Caufield that we could not use Laine.
• It's not because Beck clicks in Laval that Evans should be traded for a 2nd rounder.
• It's not because we have Guhle that Reinbacher is unnecessary.
• It's not because Demidov is coming that we should give up on Dach or Newhook.

If we are going to compete, we need 4 strong D and 9 talented forwards, PLUS decent depth options.

If we want to compete, we should not sell any of our stronger players for only futures.

Plus,

- They need to learn to a winning ways and to the culture of winning, and overcoming adversity
- Only way to increase cohesion and line and team synergy is to play together, more then better
- Their individual asset values increase with higher success as an unit
- Their self-esteem and skills will develop naturally, depth will improve, as well as interchangeability within the roster
- With success, the team will be more desirable target for guys who are needed for retooling
- With positive mutual experiences, the locker room will be more healthy, increasing 'esprit d'corps'
- Struggling together to, and experiencing playoffs tend to have positive feed back to a future playoffs success
- With roster stability, individual players tend to see better their own development needs compared to a chaotic, ever changing mess without anything steady and long-staying
- If there are players that can mentor, teach, give something beneficial to others, that transfer process is more effective, longer the group stay together
- Competition within the roster will likely be heathier with above mentioned things
- With longevity, the most dedicated, and team driven players will be naturally filtered

etc. etc. other things relevant to real rebuilding, not to perpetual simulacra and talks about "how we now rebuild so f****** hard that everything hangs upon that big-IF-maybe landing next-generational talent within the next decade... or what ever..."

Tank for the tank sake is absurd thing to do, if you already have half-rosterful of dudes waiting to get ice time. No rebuild is successful if the prerequisite is to intentionally underperform as much as you can for slightly better lottery odds, years in, years out. That is firesure way to destroy a lot of important aspects mentioned above, especially team coherency, and winning culture.

Go Habs Go!

 

[Whalers Fan]

We don’t know if Laine can play a full schedule until he does, just like Monahan didn’t until he could. Under that premise, I can appreciate the value of a Caufield sniping in Laine’s spot, should he be out of the lineup for long stretches.

We also don't know if Laine will be here after next season when his contract expires. Patrik could decide to sign elsewhere as a UFA.

 

[dcyhabs]

Some people don't understand this.

If you want to compete:

• It's not because we have Hutson that Matheson should be traded for futures.
• It's not because we have Laine that Caufield lost value.
• It's not because we had Caufield that we could not use Laine.
• It's not because Beck clicks in Laval that Evans should be traded for a 2nd rounder.
• It's not because we have Guhle that Reinbacher is unnecessary.
• It's not because Demidov is coming that we should give up on Dach or Newhook.

If we are going to compete, we need 4 strong D and 9 talented forwards, PLUS decent depth options.

If we want to compete, we should not sell any of our stronger players for only futures.

You definitely need depth but you need a balanced team. They had too many offensive d and a shortage of defense so they traded Barron for Carrier and it works short term. With MB they collected players who could use space opened by orhers but had no one who could open the space.

It’s good to have a shooter on both top lines but they are probably maxed out for pure shooters.

 

[Rapala]

I don't think he needs Suzuki. He had great chemistry with Jenner in Columbus, they were twins. His problem is skating now. What is normal. I think he should be ideal in the end of January.

To Dach. His injury was enough serious, be patient. This line will be good, although I hope not against us.

Btw, for them (#92 and #77), Detroit is like Florida at its best shape for a health player. They need time.

Dach is no Boone Jenner even when healthy and it will probably be a while before he approaches that level of play as Dach.
Patty is doing it solo for the most part not to mention he keeps bringing up the fact that he hasn't scored 5v5.
We already see shades of his personality when it comes to his game he's hard on himself.
I don't think he likes his line being the weak sister but that is what they currently are.

 

[Runner77]

We also don't know if Laine will be here after next season when his contract expires. Patrik could decide to sign elsewhere as a UFA.

Yeah, it’s way too early to know.

This environment appears to suit him so far which is fun to witness.

 

[waitin425]

We finally have some forward depth and we are calling to trade Caufield?

Hell no.

Also.....Laine will be resigning here. I'd be willing to bet on that.

 

[morhilane]

People are saying that "the Habs are winning because they are facing bad teams", but earlier in the season the Habs looked just as bad as those teams when facing them (even if they managed to win).

The last 3 games, the Habs were dominating bad teams and the last Detroit game is the best they managed a lead in years. They didn't stop playing for once.

And Carrier stabilize the Ds so much.

 

[Runner77]

We finally have some forward depth and we are calling to trade Caufield?

Hell no.

Also.....Laine will be resigning here. I'd be willing to bet on that.

No call to trade him, just a hypothetical re roster construction. Things have a way of downspiraling fast into unintended territory, in here.

All the better if Laine and Caufield can be used in complementary roles.

 

[Rapala]

Laine is about to solidify his position as one of the elite players in the league.

What a debut and streak..wow!

He's a whole heck of a lot better defensively than advertised he also gets pissed and hits hard.
I just want him to have fun because the rest will take care of itself.
Right now he reminds me of Vanek when he was in his prime.
He'll be better than that when he gets his full stride back.

 

[Runner77]

Laine to Spanre in a post game exchange:



Full interview, here (some ads before video):

 

[SwiftyHab]

Thanks guys. I lost my Mom in September. So I've kinda been in a funk for the last couple of months. But I missed my Habs family. So I decided to come back. Sadly, you'll all see me much more in the new year.

Sorry to hear about your loss. Habs and This place is my refuge too. When I was studying and times were hard I was here. When my dad passed I was here. When the kids drain me. When my wife was banging the pool boy ( I dont know why I keep hiring that guy back every summer)…anyway, point is, we’re here and don’t get a pool

 

[VT]

Dach is no Boone Jenner even when healthy and it will probably be a while before he approaches that level of play as Dach.
Patty is doing it solo for the most part not to mention he keeps bringing up the fact that he hasn't scored 5v5.
We already see shades of his personality when it comes to his game he's hard on himself.
I don't think he likes his line being the weak sister but that is what they currently are.

I compare Jenner and Suzuki, not Jenner and Dach. Also Patrik played very good with Roslovic who is not a power forwar as Jenner.

 

[Rapala]

I mean, we witnessed plenty of interesting hockey in the regular season back when we were flawed but competitive, thinks of MTL vs BOS back when we had Subban and they had Lucic, two engaged teams playing on a random February night absolutely unwilling to concede a inch to each other. That would be my loose definition of interesting in the context of "can we play them every week?" instead of watching a team just giving up after one period.

But hey, they made like 15 Fast and Furious movies, so I'm painfully aware that interesting is mostly subjective.

The closest thing we have to that rivalry is probably with Ottawa and it spills down to our farm teams.
The Boston thing won't come back until we start beating them regularly.

 

[BLONG7]

We finally have some forward depth and we are calling to trade Caufield?

Hell no.

Also.....Laine will be resigning here. I'd be willing to bet on that.

He has dropped hints already, he loves playing in Montreal....it's early on, but it sure looks like he is a great match for the city and most importantly the team.

Trade Caufield? WTF guys...

 

[waitin425]

No call to trade him, just a hypothetical re roster construction. Things have a way of downspiraling fast into unintended territory, in here.

All the better if Laine and Caufield can be used in complementary roles.

100 percent.

Laine and Cole on opposite lines will be hell for other teams. We just need Dach to step up or a true #2.

Slaf - Suzuki - Caufield
Laine - ***** - Demidov

 

[Rapala]

Begs a question that probably has crossed posters’ minds.

It’s not so much that Caufield is small (even if there are a lot of smallish players on the team). It’s that he’s principally a shooter, who is not multifaceted and it makes one wonder … what if Laine is able to stay healthy and be productive over the next two years.

Can Laine make Caufield expendable?

They are only roughly 3 years apart (Laine is 3 years and 4 months older) — Caufield is 23, Laine 26. Both right handed shooters but Laine now occupies the spot Caufield had on the PP.

Huge assumption is whether Laine can stay healthy.

Personally I think Laine is a top line go to player and may very well find himself there at one point.
He's pining for a 5v5 goal maybe we should give him a helping hand in that direction.
I would certainly try him with Suzuki 5v5 because as a coach I'd like to know how my best two forwards play together.
Imagine if Draisaitl was never tried with McDavid.

 

[Fatbiggie]

Looking like Santa has heard your plea. He even has "Boot out déPrimeau" as the last item on his list.

Monty will have had some rest so wouldn’t be surprised.

Is @waitin426 the doppelganger of @waitin425 ?!

 

[Rapala]

We finally have some forward depth and we are calling to trade Caufield?

Hell no.

Also.....Laine will be resigning here. I'd be willing to bet on that.

Remember Radulov...
Anything can happen with UFA's

 

[Runner77]

Is @waitin426 the doppelganger of @waitin425 ?!

It's his eventual identity once he abandons this one.

Santa took good note of @waitin425's updated wish list.

 

[waitin425]

Is @waitin426 the doppelganger of @waitin425 ?!

If we ever win a cup and someone claims waitin426 before I can get to it....I'll lose my mind!!!

 

[bud12]

Begs a question that probably has crossed posters’ minds.

It’s not so much that Caufield is small (even if there are a lot of smallish players on the team). It’s that he’s principally a shooter, who is not multifaceted and it makes one wonder … what if Laine is able to stay healthy and be productive over the next two years.

Can Laine make Caufield expendable?

They are only roughly 3 years apart (Laine is 3 years and 4 months older) — Caufield is 23, Laine 26. Both right handed shooters but Laine now occupies the spot Caufield had on the PP.

Huge assumption is whether Laine can stay healthy.

No. Laine hot streak on the pp definitely not make Caufield expendable.

 

[morhilane]

Personally I think Laine is a top line go to player and may very well find himself there at one point.
He's pining for a 5v5 goal maybe we should give him a helping hand in that direction.
I would certainly try him with Suzuki 5v5 because as a coach I'd like to know how my best two forwards play together.
Imagine if Draisaitl was never tried with McDavid.

Laine might end up on the first line eventually, but right now, I don't think he's ready to face top opposition. His skating is still laborious some shifts.

 

[Rapala]

Laine might end up on the first line eventually, but right now, I don't think he's ready to face top opposition. His skating is still laborious some shifts.

Most shifts.
I'd use him in spots when we are down a goal.
His puck management is really really good considering he isn't moving that fast.